Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Logs and ubot

2010-08-24 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

if we get a logging bot, the channel will be logged at all times.

The logs would be searchable, like searching #ubuntu-beginners, their
continuous log is held at, for an example,
http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/15/  
http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/15/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt  That would
give the availability to search through the logs. Not something an 'average'
user would do, but would mean the whole of conversations are archived and
searchable for those giving support when they have a I've seen that before,
but do not fully recall all that is needed question.

Regards,

Phill.



On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi Phillip,

 Le lundi 23 août 2010 à 21:29 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
  The couple of replies I got back were that it would be a good thing.
  Would you like to me to proceed to ask if we may have the channel
  logged? I'm not too sure we would be allocated a ubuntu log bot, if
  that is not possible I can ask Alan (the creator of the meetingology
  one) for suggestions.

 Why not :) I have a couple of questions : Is the chan will be logged all
 the time ? Or only during meeting ? Are the logs stored somewhere ?

 Thanks.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?

2010-08-21 Thread Phillip Whiteside
hi Leszek,

my e-mail was a 'rough guide' to people wanting to see how applications
behave. As you have stated, there is little chance of us getting a
deffinative guide up but that was about the best the best I could think of.
My asking that the application be run, may not have been clear that I meant
On it's own to see what the various libraries etc. would take up. However
it is something that would be useful for people to test against in the
absence of anything better. I'd appreciate any further thoughts on how we
may, in any way, let people know how to have a look at an application for
consideration to be included in Lubuntu.

Regards,

Phill.



On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

  Am 21.08.2010 02:09, schrieb Phillip Whiteside:

 To have a application considered for inclusion it must be stable, use no
 disk space to install and use no RAM or CPU time when running. If it meets
 all those of those, AND is in the official Ubuntu Repositories there will be
 a vote held. (yes, it really does seem like that when proposing a new
 included application).

 If you find a candidate that you feel meets most of the above, please do put
 it forward. Even if it does not get included on the release it would be
 possible to give it a mention in the same way that Deadbeef is as lean,
 mean and keen music player, liked by many but not in the official repos.

 I'm sure this is documented somewhere, but reboot your system up, let it
 settle  and issue *free* and *top* in the terminal 
 windowhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LXTerminal

 Make a note of of memory
  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
 Mem:   15345161072532 *461984*  0 113556 457816

 Free memory is in *bold*


  Sry but measuring free memory is nonsense. Unused memory is wasted memory.
 Its by far more important how much memory a single application uses (without
 the libraries it needs) to check its efficency. If the library isn't
 included by default in lubuntu you need to add this library memory usage
 also (because it can't be shared between applications, when only one app
 uses it).
 The best way to check if an application is suitable is to grep an older pc
 and test it there.
 Speed + Stability are the far most important points that matter. But it may
 be good to test also starting different applications in parallel to watch if
 this slows down the application dramatically or not.

 And CPU usage

 Tasks: 134 total,   1 running, 133 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
 Cpu(s):  *1.3%us,*

 Take a note of where the memory and CPU usage is (*bold*), then go to
 install the programme.
 If at this point it wants to bring in a lot additional parts, it is unlikely
 to pass the requirements.

 If it passes that step, then you can, if you wish install it [1]
 and reboot. then issue the *free* and *top* command again to ensure the new
 program is not 'eating up memory' or CPU usage


  Again CPU usage is important here. Memory usage might be also very high
 depending on which application you use (QT and KDE applications share there
 memory and reserve mostly more memory then they actually use)

 Start using the application for a little while then issue the commands again
 and you can see what it is using, both in memory and CPU time.


  Issuing those commands and looking at there output gives only a vague
 orientation on how this app might behave. This is definitely not an
 objective way to found out how an app behaves on low memory.

  Regards,
 Phill.
 [1] when installing use apt-get, or a ppa in order to remove a package from
 your system if you wish it gone.

 P.S. I've seen many discussions on this, if lubuntu could get a standard way
 of testing of an application I think it is worth us having a 'bench-mark'.


  There are too many applications and too many different libraries doing to
 much different stuff. I don't think we can do a automated benchmark. Every
 app must be real time tested. (if they don't fall of already before testing
 i.e. thinking of JAVA apps which bring big dependencies and benefical only
 for one app)

 Regards,
 Leszek


  On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com 
 gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:



  Le vendredi 20 août 2010 à 12:53 +0700, Duy Hùng Trần a écrit :


  When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most
 asked questions are: How to ... in Lubuntu?, What software to ...
 in Lubuntu?. Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they
 don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to
 try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want
 to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in
 Lubuntu/Linux or not.
 There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest
 them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications
 are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?

2010-08-20 Thread Phillip Whiteside
To have a application considered for inclusion it must be stable, use no
disk space to install and use no RAM or CPU time when running. If it meets
all those of those, AND is in the official Ubuntu Repositories there will be
a vote held. (yes, it really does seem like that when proposing a new
included application).

If you find a candidate that you feel meets most of the above, please do put
it forward. Even if it does not get included on the release it would be
possible to give it a mention in the same way that Deadbeef is as lean,
mean and keen music player, liked by many but not in the official repos.

I'm sure this is documented somewhere, but reboot your system up, let it
settle  and issue *free* and *top* in the terminal window
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LXTerminal
Make a note of of memory
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:   15345161072532 *461984*  0 113556 457816

Free memory is in *bold*

And CPU usage

Tasks: 134 total,   1 running, 133 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s):  *1.3%us,*

Take a note of where the memory and CPU usage is (*bold*), then go to
install the programme.
If at this point it wants to bring in a lot additional parts, it is unlikely
to pass the requirements.

If it passes that step, then you can, if you wish install it [1]
and reboot. then issue the *free* and *top* command again to ensure the new
program is not 'eating up memory' or CPU usage

Start using the application for a little while then issue the commands again
and you can see what it is using, both in memory and CPU time.

Regards,
Phill.
[1] when installing use apt-get, or a ppa in order to remove a package from
your system if you wish it gone.

P.S. I've seen many discussions on this, if lubuntu could get a standard way
of testing of an application I think it is worth us having a 'bench-mark'.


On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le vendredi 20 août 2010 à 12:53 +0700, Duy Hùng Trần a écrit :
  When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most
  asked questions are: How to ... in Lubuntu?, What software to ...
  in Lubuntu?. Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they
  don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to
  try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want
  to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in
  Lubuntu/Linux or not.
  There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest
  them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications
  are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers or not.
  Do we have any tip to choose the right applications for Lubuntu?

 It's difficult to say before testing them :)

 In Lubuntu, we have some criteria for applications we want to include :
 - Low memory usage
 - Low system usage (CPU, hard-disk i/o ...)
 - Low dependencies
 - Still fast :)

 As you see, you can't define them, without testing the application :)

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki area

2010-08-19 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Zach,

do you remember .

 Sounds like a very good idea Phill...need any help drop me an email and let
 me know


As you get time, could you start duplicating the general help documents over
to there. I know it's a pain, but I'd really like to keep this on-track for
10.10.10 and time is against me.

Once we've got the general help over there (evidently they can not be moved
en-masse), there should still be time to get the links updated and make
decisions as to what is 'wiki' and what it 'general help documentation'.

Thanks,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Network icon in panel and blinking tab icon in Chromium

2010-08-17 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Hung,

It is a known issue, and one of the kind people who help with documentation
has put two methods to get around it onto
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall#Unmanaged
Wired Network Use which ever one you prefer :-)

Regards,

Phill.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Duy Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Oh thank you!
 I searched launchpad and didn't find this bug. I promise I will try to
 search launchpad carefully before posting to mailing list :D.

 Regards,
 Hung


 On 17 August 2010 15:21, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:56:27 +0700
 Duy Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello!
 
  I'm running Lubuntu 10.10 alpha 3 on Compaq Evo N600c after installing
 by
  netinstall, hope you remember my problem with ubiquity in previous
 emails.
  It runs faster than Lubuntu 10.04 :D. Thanks to Lubuntu team!
 
  I have a problem with the network icon in the panel, it finds no
 ethernet
  device but I am still able to connect to internet. And the tab icon in
  Chromium is blinking until the page is loaded fully.
 
 Looks like this known bug
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/553115


  You may want to look at my screenshot:
 
 http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b446/nguyentieuhau/2010-08-17-123255_1024x768_scrot.png
  .
 
  Is there any way I could fix these problems? Thank you!
 
  Regards,
  Hung


 --
 Steve Cook (Yorvyk)

 http://lubuntu.net

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[Lubuntu-desktop] kidnapping

2010-08-17 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi team,

the more I learn about documentation the more I realise how much I do not
know, Take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UruguayTeam Now, that is one
seriously good looking  front page. I'm wondering if our art team could
design some icons / have an idea in their head for how the front page should
look (It's done by inkscape, evidently). I can ask Zach team to help me with
the coding.

What do you all think?

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [lubuntu-desktop]

2010-08-16 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

That sounds like you need to clear the cache in Chromium (Options  -- Under
the Bonnet -- Clear Browsing Data) Ensure the Empty Cache is selected. I
run with Chromium and have no problems, but if a browser does get a bit
confused, (Chromium or Firefox) clearing the cache is the first step to
getting it working again.

Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:17 AM, kosaidpo kosai...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi phill
 yeh i've used this guide to install lampp but the weird parte that i cant
 use it witrh chromuim but it works with FF even im off the net

 regards .kosaipdo


 2010/8/16 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net

 Hi,

 Installing LAMP onto Lubuntu is not officially supported, but I run it on
 my system (as do others). The class I held *will* install LAMP to run
 'offline' with lubuntu (or any other flavour). I wrote it and stand by it.
 When you are setting it up, it is really important you answer the questions
 correctly. It is a pain of mine to try to sort out specific problems. I've
 had reported back that re-doing it does work. If it does not, then let me
 know, and I will have a further look into it for you.

 The class room notes are at
 http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/28/%23ubuntu-classroom.html which has
 the link to the slides (which you do need to have).

 If you are able to download / play the slides, then the tutorial is
 available on my little forum area at
 http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=119

 Regards,

 Phill.

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 hello cool people

 i installed lampp via tasksel and it works fine but only when im
 connected to internet and it doesnt work at all if im off internet

 regards .kosaipdo

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A lightweight presentation application for Lubuntu?

2010-08-16 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

the Lubuntu team is also pretty small, you can and are welcome to chat about
'off-topic' things at http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18 Whilst that
area of my forum is strictly non-official to the lubuntu project people on
the project or people asking / commenting  on how they personalised their
lubuntu installation are always welcome.

To have a application considered for inclusion it must be stable, use no
disk space to install and use no RAM or CPU time when running. If it meets
all those of those, AND is in the official Ubuntu Repositories there will be
a vote held. (yes, it really does seem like that when proposing a new
included application).

If you find a candidate that you feel meets most of the above, please do put
it forward. Even if it does not get included on the release it would be
possible to give it a mention in the same way that Deadbeef is as lean,
mean and keen music player, liked by many but not in the official repos.

Thanks for taking the time to comment and suggest things for Lubuntu, whilst
I may be the one replying, others will be reading. (Everytime I get
something slightly wrong, they usually correct me :p ).

Phill.



On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:50 AM, John Webster ci...@bigpond.com wrote:

 I probably need to repeat my opening comment that I don't want the
 Lubuntu team to add anything to the standard installation, for the very
 reasons you quote. I'm not that keen on Xubuntu - basically, it now has
 so many embedded Gnome components, it's not all that much lighter than
 vanilla Ubuntu, and it's certainly not as spare and elegant as Lubuntu.

 If individual users, having considered their needs and the capabilities
 of the machines at their disposal, want to add other packages from the
 vast range available in the repos, that's a completely different issue,
 and that's what I thought this correspondence was about. Please accept
 my apologies if I did not make that clear.

 On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 06:34 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
  Hi, the devil is in the detail
 
  I use Lubuntu to escape the horrors of Windows XP on older
  machines, and
  Ubuntu or Kubuntu to avoid the slightly lesser, but still
  considerable,
  frustrations associated with Windows 7 on more capable
  hardware. In my
  experience, any machine that does a reasonable job of running
  XP-SP2 or
  later will have been equipped with at least 256MB of RAM, and
  more
  commonly 384MB or 512MB. Such a machine will fly with Lubuntu.
 
 
 
 
  Where as
  A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 Mb RAM
 
  is what we aim for, you are talking Win 98 machines, they would
  certainly not be able to run XP. A lower spec ubuntu with all those
  bits would be Xubuntu. Heck for the 10.10 of lubuntu there is a
  low-fat version available via the mini-iso, please bear in mind that
  lubuntu is here specifically for low powered machines, if the team
  were to add this, that and the other we'd have standard Gnome
  Ubutnu. (I'm only repeating this as we do get told off for saying I'd
  like this adding The Lubuntu project is pretty darn strict as to
  what gets in).
 
 
  Regards,
 
 
  Phill.
 
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:59 AM, John Webster ci...@bigpond.com
  wrote:
  Dear Phill
 
  I wasn't arguing against the current Lubuntu defaults - they
  are fine,
  and entirely appropriate for the mission statement. In fact, I
  think
  that the Lubuntu team are doing a great job, which is why I'm
  here.
 
  I use Lubuntu to escape the horrors of Windows XP on older
  machines, and
  Ubuntu or Kubuntu to avoid the slightly lesser, but still
  considerable,
  frustrations associated with Windows 7 on more capable
  hardware. In my
  experience, any machine that does a reasonable job of running
  XP-SP2 or
  later will have been equipped with at least 256MB of RAM, and
  more
  commonly 384MB or 512MB. Such a machine will fly with Lubuntu.
 
  However, IF a particular user decides that they MUST install
  OpenOffice
  Impress from the repos, they will pull in a lot of
  dependencies that are
  common to other OpenOffice components. Hence my comment that,
  if you are
  going to install Impress, you might be just as well to replace
  Abiword
  and Gnumeric with the corresponding OpenOffice components.
 
  Softmaker Office for Linux is neither free nor open source,
  but it is
  lighter and more agile than OpenOffice and delivers better
  compatibility
  with MS Office. It installs and runs well in Lubuntu.
 
  I certainly don't mean to appear to criticise OpenOffice,
  which I use
  whenever I don't absolutely need 100% MS Office compatibility

[Lubuntu-desktop] Bug Report

2010-08-16 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

would you be kind enough to assign the bug reported at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1553821highlight=lubuntu to
yourself. (Yes, I know this is not the correct way of asking; but it does
assure the bug reporter that they are not being ignored).

Thanks,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A lightweight presentation application for Lubuntu?

2010-08-15 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi, Hung,

For making slides that are ppt (Microsoft Power-point) compliant, I had to
install open office impress. Now, I get on fine with it, but this older
posting may be able to help you
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4514399postcount=16

Regards,

Phill.

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Duy Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello all!

 In my country, Microsoft Powerpoint is a popular application in university
 and office, and I belive it is also popular in other countries. We have
 abiword and gnumeric in Lubuntu but we still don't have any application to
 create presentations like Microsoft Powerpoint. So users don't know how to
 make presenting slides and install Openoffice.org Impress is not a good idea
 for slow computers. Are we going to add an application like this by default
 in Lubuntu? I've searched and found some applications like this but it would
 not an easy task to install them in Lubuntu for beginner users.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [lubuntu-desktop]

2010-08-15 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

Installing LAMP onto Lubuntu is not officially supported, but I run it on my
system (as do others). The class I held *will* install LAMP to run 'offline'
with lubuntu (or any other flavour). I wrote it and stand by it. When you
are setting it up, it is really important you answer the questions
correctly. It is a pain of mine to try to sort out specific problems. I've
had reported back that re-doing it does work. If it does not, then let me
know, and I will have a further look into it for you.

The class room notes are at
http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/28/%23ubuntu-classroom.html which has the
link to the slides (which you do need to have).

If you are able to download / play the slides, then the tutorial is
available on my little forum area at
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=119

Regards,

Phill.

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 i installed lampp via tasksel and it works fine but only when im connected
 to internet and it doesnt work at all if im off internet

 regards .kosaipdo

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A lightweight presentation application for Lubuntu?

2010-08-15 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi John,

Which is why I suggested just installing presenter. For Lubuntu  the mission
statement is:

Lubuntu is targeted at normal PC users running on low-spec hardware. Such
 users may not know how to use command line tools, and in most cases they
 just don't have enough resources for all the bells and whistles of the
 full-featured mainstream distributions.

A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 Mb RAM is probably a bottom-line
configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with Lubuntu. It should
be possible to install and run Lubuntu with less memory, but the result will
likely not be suitable for practical use. If you have less than 160 Mb RAM,
you will need to use the Minimal installation
instructionshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Minimal%20Install.
Please note that especially on lower powered machines (older CPU's) or low
RAM systems, that the installation may seem to 'hang' at about 95%, don't
worry, it has not; it can just take some time (possibly over an hour).

By that deffintion, power point is not going to happen.
The second reason is that all our software is free :-)

Installation of sections of OOo are quite easy. What people 'do' to lubuntu
is entirely up to them (What some of us have been up to
http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18). If you have look at
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=52 you will get an idea of the
differences within the family. Do not forget, as *buntu is Debian based, you
can put on any programme easily.

Lubuntu  Mint

Regards,

Phill.
Lubuntu == https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:45 PM, John Webster ci...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Not really the answer, of course, but Softmaker Office for Linux, which
 includes a decent presentation component, installs easily and runs well
 under Lubuntu, puts less demand on computing resources than OO, and is
 highly compatible with MS Office. Discounts are often available from
 Softmaker themselves or from Ashampoo.

 Otherwise, the best immediate answer might be to install only the basic
 word-processor, spreadsheet and presentation components from OpenOffice,
 omitting, in particular, the database component and Java - that was the
 approach taken in compiling the CD version of Mint.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A lightweight presentation application for Lubuntu?

2010-08-15 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi, the devil is in the detail


 I use Lubuntu to escape the horrors of Windows XP on older machines, and

Ubuntu or Kubuntu to avoid the slightly lesser, but still considerable,

frustrations associated with Windows 7 on more capable hardware. In my

experience, any machine that does a reasonable job of running XP-SP2 or

later will have been equipped with at least 256MB of RAM, and more

commonly 384MB or 512MB. Such a machine will fly with Lubuntu.



Where as

 A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 Mb RAM


is what we aim for, you are talking Win 98 machines, they would certainly
not be able to run XP. A lower spec ubuntu with all those bits would be
Xubuntu. Heck for the 10.10 of lubuntu there is a low-fat version available
via the mini-iso, please bear in mind that lubuntu is here specifically for
low powered machines, if the team were to add this, that and the other
we'd have standard Gnome Ubutnu. (I'm only repeating this as we do get told
off for saying I'd like this adding The Lubuntu project is pretty darn
strict as to what gets in).

Regards,

Phill.



On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:59 AM, John Webster ci...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Dear Phill

 I wasn't arguing against the current Lubuntu defaults - they are fine,
 and entirely appropriate for the mission statement. In fact, I think
 that the Lubuntu team are doing a great job, which is why I'm here.

 I use Lubuntu to escape the horrors of Windows XP on older machines, and
 Ubuntu or Kubuntu to avoid the slightly lesser, but still considerable,
 frustrations associated with Windows 7 on more capable hardware. In my
 experience, any machine that does a reasonable job of running XP-SP2 or
 later will have been equipped with at least 256MB of RAM, and more
 commonly 384MB or 512MB. Such a machine will fly with Lubuntu.

 However, IF a particular user decides that they MUST install OpenOffice
 Impress from the repos, they will pull in a lot of dependencies that are
 common to other OpenOffice components. Hence my comment that, if you are
 going to install Impress, you might be just as well to replace Abiword
 and Gnumeric with the corresponding OpenOffice components.

 Softmaker Office for Linux is neither free nor open source, but it is
 lighter and more agile than OpenOffice and delivers better compatibility
 with MS Office. It installs and runs well in Lubuntu.

 I certainly don't mean to appear to criticise OpenOffice, which I use
 whenever I don't absolutely need 100% MS Office compatibility. The core
 aim of the OpenOffice development team seems to have been to produce a
 comprehensive and competent office suite, while maintaining a decent
 level of compatibility with MS Office. Indeed, the compatibility that
 they have achieved is perfectly adequate for all but serious business
 users forced to operate in a generally Windows/Mac environment.

 By contrast, the Softmaker Office team has clearly had the narrower goal
 of providing three key components that are as close as possible to 100%
 compatible with MS Office, and selling them for a much lower price than
 MS charges That Softmaker has taken the trouble to create a version for
 Linux means that business users wanting to use Linux on the desktop can
 do so with virtually no hassle, which must surely be a Good Thing.

 Incidentally, my personal view is that the most elegant presentation
 application out there, by a country mile, is Keynote. It doesn't make
 all that great a fist of maintaining compatibility with PowerPoint, no
 doubt because the Apple development team pursued the same philosophy as
 the OpenOffice team. In any case, while I'm sure that porting Keynote to
 Linux would be relatively straightforward, I can't see Apple releasing
 the source code under the GPL or even making a paid version available.

 Regards

 John

 On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 04:41 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
  Hi John,
 
 
  Which is why I suggested just installing presenter. For Lubuntu  the
  mission statement is:
 
 
  Lubuntu is targeted at normal PC users running on low-spec
  hardware. Such users may not know how to use command line
  tools, and in most cases they just don't have enough resources
  for all the bells and whistles of the full-featured
  mainstream distributions.
 
  A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 Mb RAM is probably a
  bottom-line configuration that may yield slow yet usable
  system with Lubuntu. It should be possible to install and run
  Lubuntu with less memory, but the result will likely not be
  suitable for practical use. If you have less than 160 Mb RAM,
  you will need to use the Minimal installation instructions.
  Please note that especially on lower powered machines (older
  CPU's) or low RAM systems, that the installation may seem to
  'hang' at about 95%, don't worry, it has not; it can just take
  some time (possibly over an hour

[Lubuntu-desktop] Me

2010-08-14 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

I've just recently taken on running a pub (bar), as the establishment is in
need of a bit care and attention,I will not be available for the amount of
time I used to be. I can, and will pick up on lubuntu tags on the forum area
and continue to receive e-mail updates. For people like szcuzr, thanks for
being there on the IRC channel.

And the good news? Well, the new server system is planned for the middle of
september. From what I have been told, not only will I still be able to host
the aplha / beta iso's, but hopefully be able to be secondary source for the
full 10.10.10 release. I cannot promise that, as we need to look into
ensuring bandwidth etc. is controllable to ensure the server does not get
'melt-down'.

My kindest regards to everyone who is making Lubuntu fantastic.,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] corrupted iso image

2010-08-14 Thread Phillip Whiteside
There is a bug in the self test of the CD.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/CheckCD

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/CheckCDcovers it,

With a PII and only 256Mb RAM, you may be pushing what Ubiquity installer
can do. On lower RAM machines, I would suggest you try
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall It does
look a bit scary, but it would most likely be the  solution for you. (Just
print them out, or have a 2nd computer).

Regards,

Phill.



On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Zoltan, Kiss scha...@sch.bme.hu wrote:

 Hi folks!

 I've downloaded the iso image from the home page, but it took 3 CD-R until
 I realized that maybe not my burner is wrong. I've booted the iso image with
 a VMware Player too, and the builtin CD checker says there is 1 corrupted
 file on the disk. Unfortunatelly it doesn't mention which one, but the
 another strange thing that the VM can boot up and load the GUI, but the old
 machine I want to use it doesn't. It hang during the GUI loading, same
 happens when I choose the installer from the boot menu. It's a PII-266 with
 256Mb RAM, so I thought it just too slow, but the console says there are
 squashfs errors also.
 Can you check what's wrong? Please reply to this email address too, because
 I'm not on the list.

 Regards,

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Lubuntu Docs

2010-08-12 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Gang,

I'll do it as instructed.

He's a good guy.

Regards,

Phill.
P.S. as you see, all links will be there.

Speak now, or forever hold your peace


-- Forwarded message --
From: Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Lubuntu Docs
To: Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net


Hi Phill,

On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 08:44 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
 it was pointed out to me that :
  wiki.ubuntu.com  is
 not a website for documentation, it's for Ubuntu team
 organisation and
 contributor information. We have a central resource for
 documentation
 related to Ubuntu - it is help.ubuntu.com . I'd highly
 recommend that
 any documentation created on wiki.ubuntu.com  be moved to the
 help wiki
 at help.ubuntu.com/community . I don't see any reason why
 derivatives
 of Ubuntu can't also use that website if they would like to.
 The
 Lubuntu material could live happily at
 help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu .

Yes, help.ubuntu.com/community is the recommended location for all user
documentation, and help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu seems like a good
place for the Lubuntu docs.

 I asked if it would be okay for me to move the majority
 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp and the sub-pages
 over to help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu, and have the clearance to
 do it.
 1) Can that area be set up ?
 2) Could the existing area be copied 'en-masse' over to it (including
 child pages). I will then edit out any pages not required in the new
 area and leave pointers from the old ones to the new area.

Yes, that's fine - you don't need clearance! All you need to do is
create a Lubuntu page on h.u.c. I don't think there's a convenient way
of copying them over in bulk, but if you create the pages and copy the
raw page text over (just put ?action=raw at the end of the
corresponding wiki.ubuntu.com page URL), it should be quite a quick
process. There only seem to be 10 pages in Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp at
the moment.

Let me know if you need a hand with anything.

Thanks,

Phil

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] ubiquity crashes

2010-08-11 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

the usual first thing I ask ... Could you check your iso  created cd
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#Check
downloaded image file and CD

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#Check downloaded image file and
CDRegards,

Phill.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Duy Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.comwrote:

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Call for testing: jobs-admin

2010-08-11 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Brian,

I know that job priorities can be altered, hopefully the below is of help to
you.

Regards,

Phill.
Kernel decides how much processor time is required for a process based on
the nice value. Possible nice value range is: -20 to 20. A process that has
a
nice value of -20 is very high priority. The process that has a nice value
of 20
is very low priority.

*$ ps axl*
Use ps axl to display the nice value of all running process.
F   UID   PID  PPID PRI  *NI*VSZ   RSS WCHAN  STAT TTYTIME COMMAND
4 0 1 0  20   0   2100   724 -  Ss   ?  0:06 init [2]
5 0 2 0  15  -5  0 0 -  S   ?  0:00 [kthreadd]
1 047 2  15  -5  0 0 -  S   ?  0:00 [kacpid]
1 048 2  15  -5  0 0 -  S   ?  0:00
[kacpi_notify]
1 0   125 2  15  -5  0 0 -  S   ?  0:00 [kseriod]
1 0   166 2  20   0  0 0 -  S?  0:00
[pdflush][Note: 6th column 'NI' is the nice.]

To increase the priority, give a lower nice value as shown below. However,
only root can increase the priority of a running process, else you’ll get
error messages.

*$ ps axl | grep test.sh*
1 012345 2  15  10  0 0 -  S   ? 0:00
test.sh[Note: 6th column with value 10 is the nice value for the
shell-script.]

Now decrease the nice value to increase the priority of the process. Use the
PID of the process.

*$ su -
# renice -5 -p 12345*

*$ ps axl | grep test.sh*

1 012345 2  15  -5  0 0 -  S   ? 0:00
test.sh[ Note: The 6th column now shows a lower nice value of -5
(increased priority)]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Brian Redfern brianwredf...@gmail.comwrote:

 I wonder if optimal audio performance gets in the way of other desktop
 features? By installing the stock ubuntu rt kernel and rtirq and
 turning off automatic cpu frequency scaling I get absolutely amazing
 low latency audio performance on lubuntu. Seems like audio is low on
 the priority list, but I'm writing an article for the Csound Journal
 about how to slightly modify lubuntu for insanely great audio
 performance.

 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
 wrote:
  Hi,
  As a fan of the Google summer of Code projects, are there any objections
 to
  this being put in
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Expert
  users  ? It's still to have an entry :)
  I think it would be an interesting one for Experts to have a look at,
 and
  may even provide a tool for seeing what processes can be done away with
  under lubuntu.
  Regards,
  Phill.
  P.S., a note to any one deciding to try it by
  ppa https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#ppa-purge  It's worth
 having
  on your system for when 'bad' things happen to 'good' ppa's.
  -- Forwarded message --
  From: Jacob Peddicord jpeddic...@ubuntu.com
  Date: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:33 AM
  Subject: Call for testing: jobs-admin
  To: ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com,
  ubuntu-devel-disc...@lists.ubuntu.com
 
 
  Hello all,
 
  Google Summer of Code ends this week, which indirectly means that
  jobs-admin is now ready for testing! Interested testers need only to
  add a PPA and install a package to begin. Within a few days the
  packages will be available in maverick universe.
 
 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jpeddicord/jobs
 sudo apt-get install jobs-admin
 
  jobs-admin may then be launched from the terminal, or can be found
  under System  Administration  System Jobs. We've hidden most
  jobs/services that are essential to your system, so ideally you
  shouldn't be able to break anything even if you wanted to. With that
  in mind, feel free to give it all a stress test. Shut off jobs you
  don't want, and change the settings of others. By testing this you'll
  also be testing jobservice, the daemon which powers it all.
 
  Bugs can be reported on Launchpad:
 http://bugs.launchpad.net/jobsadmin
 
  We're also open for translating:
 
  * https://translations.launchpad.net/jobsadmin - for most UI elements
  * https://translations.launchpad.net/jobservice - for job settings
 
  Any and all feedback is welcome. We'll have a bugfix release in the
  next few weeks. I won't be responding to reports or feedback until
  August 16 (Monday), however.
 
  For Maverick, you'll be able to install jobs-admin and have easy
  access to your system's services. The PPA will be maintained so Lucid
  users aren't left out. We're hoping to make this the de-facto utility
  (and framework) for managing services and jobs, and hopefully you'll
  see this in-place as the replacement for the missed services-admin in
  11.04. I'll be working on getting these packages into Debian as well.
 
  Thanks for your attention!
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] ubiquity crashes

2010-08-11 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hmm,

you are not alone (not that that informatio helps), it seems something that
happens to some with Alphas for no apparent reason. I'll add
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1547535page=4 (posts #34 and #35).
Can you install by running the LiveCD and clicking on 'install, instead of
choosing the install from the boot menu? While the devs have a look into it,
that may well get you up and running. If that does not work, I can only
suggest doing the minimal install
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#Minimal
Installation and 64 Bit) which does not use Ubiquity.

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Duy Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.comwrote:


 On 11 August 2010 17:03, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hi,

 the usual first thing I ask ... Could you check your iso  created cd 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#Check
 downloaded image file and 
 CDhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#Check+downloaded+image+file+and+CD


 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#Check+downloaded+image+file+and+CD
 Regards,

 Phill.

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 nguyentieu...@gmail.comwrote:

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 Yes, I checked the iso beforing burning, checked CD after burning,
 everything was fine :( .
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Custom Launcher.

2010-08-11 Thread Phillip Whiteside
lxshortcut looks good, now if someone would just tell us how to launch it
:-)

I've tried Menu -- Run lxshortcut and both lxshortcut and gksudo lxshrtcut
from LXTerminal

Thanks,

Phill.

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le mardi 10 août 2010 à 15:24 +0200, Leszek Lesner a écrit :
  Isn't there an lxde-shortcut creator or something. I remember seeing
  it somewhere.
  It creates .desktop files very easily with a GUI.

 Yes, it's lxshortcut :)


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Custom Launcher.

2010-08-11 Thread Phillip Whiteside
yes, and even spelled it correctly with gksudo, unlike in my email.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 lxshortcut looks good, now if someone would just tell us how to launch it
 :-)

 I've tried Menu -- Run lxshortcut and both lxshortcut and gksudo lxshrtcut
 from LXTerminal

 Thanks,

 Phill.


 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le mardi 10 août 2010 à 15:24 +0200, Leszek Lesner a écrit :
  Isn't there an lxde-shortcut creator or something. I remember seeing
  it somewhere.
  It creates .desktop files very easily with a GUI.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] WARNING: X-server breakage coming soon to a computer near you

2010-08-11 Thread Phillip Whiteside
There are some solutions now being offered on
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1549195 for those still having
problems.

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

  The only warnings I saw were, Your system may break. So you either
 didn't
  do the upgrades and your system didn't break, or you did the upgrades and
  maybe your system broke.

 I waited until there was a clear upgrade path, with nothing being held
 back.  And until others on the forums were reporting the problem
 solved.  Unfortunately, the problem seems multi-faceted.

 I rescued one Lubuntu install by dropping back to Nouveau, but on my
 Dell Mini-9 there are now multiple things wrong, one of which is that
 the screen is so dim that I can't read all the error messages.  Makes
 it tough to fix.  Even trying a fresh install from a USB, I get the
 dim screen.  (Lucid UNR on another partition works just fine.)  I
 think for the Mini I'll need to look for a grub command I've used
 before.. acpi_backlight=vendor.. and try the fresh install again.
 That may give me enough screen brightness to actual be able to work on
 it. :)

 Regards,
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Call for testing: jobs-admin

2010-08-10 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

As a fan of the Google summer of Code projects, are there any objections to
this being put in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Expert
users  ? It's still to have an entry :)

I think it would be an interesting one for Experts to have a look at, and
may even provide a tool for seeing what processes can be done away with
under lubuntu.

Regards,

Phill.
P.S., a note to any one deciding to try it by ppa
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#ppa-purge  It's worth having on
your system for when 'bad' things happen to 'good' ppa's.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jacob Peddicord jpeddic...@ubuntu.com
Date: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:33 AM
Subject: Call for testing: jobs-admin
To: ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com,
ubuntu-devel-disc...@lists.ubuntu.com


Hello all,

Google Summer of Code ends this week, which indirectly means that
jobs-admin is now ready for testing! Interested testers need only to
add a PPA and install a package to begin. Within a few days the
packages will be available in maverick universe.

   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jpeddicord/jobs
   sudo apt-get install jobs-admin

jobs-admin may then be launched from the terminal, or can be found
under System  Administration  System Jobs. We've hidden most
jobs/services that are essential to your system, so ideally you
shouldn't be able to break anything even if you wanted to. With that
in mind, feel free to give it all a stress test. Shut off jobs you
don't want, and change the settings of others. By testing this you'll
also be testing jobservice, the daemon which powers it all.

Bugs can be reported on Launchpad:
   http://bugs.launchpad.net/jobsadmin

We're also open for translating:

* https://translations.launchpad.net/jobsadmin - for most UI elements
* https://translations.launchpad.net/jobservice - for job settings

Any and all feedback is welcome. We'll have a bugfix release in the
next few weeks. I won't be responding to reports or feedback until
August 16 (Monday), however.

For Maverick, you'll be able to install jobs-admin and have easy
access to your system's services. The PPA will be maintained so Lucid
users aren't left out. We're hoping to make this the de-facto utility
(and framework) for managing services and jobs, and hopefully you'll
see this in-place as the replacement for the missed services-admin in
11.04. I'll be working on getting these packages into Debian as well.

Thanks for your attention!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] WARNING: X-server breakage coming soon to a computer near you

2010-08-10 Thread Phillip Whiteside
If it isn't broken,

you have not tweaked it hard enough, (signature of
 http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=80744) these things happen.


 200 lines of

I will follow the warnings next time


Regards,

Phill.
P.S. a seperate /home_testing partition (not your /home) is also suggested.
I was lucky, others have not been.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Bob Trevithick
bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Lane,

 Boy, am I ever the wrong guy to ask! :-)  I just blew up my second
 machine of the day.  This one was a Dell Mini-9 Netbook.  I thought
 probably the update would work on that, since it's a newer machine and
 since it doesn't use the nvidia driver.  Nope.  Now, after the update,
 it's telling me that An error occurred, please run Package Manager
 from the right-click menu to see what is wrong.  And so on.  Your
 note came in before I did that, so I'm not sure yet how much
 collateral damage there is. :)

 I just did upgrade as opposed to dist-upgrade.  It honestly never
 occurred to me to dist-upgrade, since I'm not changing distributions.
 I'll have to look into that.  Maybe I don't understand it very well.

 Yes, right after cups and a couple of other things start is where
 everything else stops.  In some cases, there is a slight pause and
 then a flicker and a login screen.  In this case, there's a full stop.
  I'm at least able to ctrl-alt-del at that point to reboot.

 I decided to call today a maintenance day, and did a full install and
 customization of Lucid on another drive, and am not sure whether a
 reinstall of Lubuntu A3 is warranted.  I have one instance that's
 working fine, but with only limited graphic capabilities because of
 the limited (at the moment) video driver.

 Isn't alpha testing fun? :-)

 Bob

 On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.com
 wrote:
  Thanks, Bob. Regretfully, that didn't do it for me, but I'm not sure if
 my
  problem was nvidia-related.
 
  I let Synaptic do the update (90+ packages!), but it errored out with
  problems updating python packages.
 
  I rebooted normally, and it hung after starting cupsd. A repeat did the
  same.
 
  I rebooted with recovery console and renamed xorg.conf. When I tried to
  remove nvidia-current, I got all these python errors which couldn't be
  fixed. I didn't see a message that indicated the removal worked.
 
  I tried to install nouveau, but got the message the most recent version
 was
  already installed.
 
  Rebooting hangs at the same place as after the update.
 
  I'll try a console upgrade after there's a chance the video is all
  compatible. Is apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade the right
 choice?
 
  Lane
 
  On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Bob Trevithick 
 bob.trevith...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi Lane,
  What I did, after a lot of messing around trying to get things to work,
  was this:
  - Log in to recovery console for root with networking
  - rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
  - apt-get remove nvidia-current
  - apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
  - reboot
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Bug Jam

2010-08-09 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

next time you're on #lubuntu you will find a new bot called meetingology,
I've got some basic knowledge of how it works and I'm sure Alan would be
happy to give anyone a quick run through of how it works (similar to the
mootbot in #ubuntu-meeting).

I'd like to thank Alan for putting it on to the #lubuntu channel for us.

Along with ubot5, I believe it is a welcome addition to the channel.

Regards,

Phill.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le dimanche 08 août 2010 à 23:08 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
  I have enquired about the loan of a meeting bot, that will record
  the meetings if you do wish to hold it on #lubuntu, I could also ask
  for time on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar if you would prefer.

 Thanks.
 It depends on what we want to do. If we plan a classroom, the bot
 could be useful on #lubuntu. If it's only help and QA during the
 week-end, I don't think we should record the whole week-end of chat :-)

 Regards,
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Wiki area

2010-08-09 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Oooh, these wiki pages :-)

It has been said that...

wiki.ubuntu.com  is

not a website for documentation, it's for Ubuntu team organisation and

contributor information. We have a central resource for documentation

related to Ubuntu - it is help.ubuntu.com . I'd highly recommend that

any documentation created on wiki.ubuntu.com  be moved to the help wiki

at help.ubuntu.com/community . I don't see any reason why derivatives

of Ubuntu can't also use that website if they would like to. The

Lubuntu material could live happily at

help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu .


Well, that's me told :-)  With a little help from the wiki team, it should
not break anything for the documentation to be transferred over there, which
I would assume to be the  contents of
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp and all sub-pages. Leaving
just a pointer to the new (correct) area. I also propose to leave the
Development area totally where is is, as it is not general / help
documentation but that for which that part of the wiki is for. The
help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu area would mention and have a pointer to
it. That way we would be following best practice for the project.

Views / Questions, anyone?

Regards,

Phill.
P.S. that was not just directed at Lubuntu, they're not having a go at us;
quite the opposite.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Forum area

2010-08-09 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

there's a lot going on for me at present, could someone take a quick look
at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9699653#post9699653 and answer
it. I'm pretty sure it is just a case of removing the CD from the software
sources, but I've not seen the error before. If you're not forum people
then reply here and I'll post it up tomorrow.

thanks,

Phill.
P.S. the snoring your hear is me getting an early night :-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Bug Jam

2010-08-08 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

I have enquired about the loan of a meeting bot, that will record the
meetings if you do wish to hold it on #lubuntu, I could also ask for time
on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar if you would prefer.


Regards,

Phill.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le dimanche 08 août 2010 à 21:33 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
  I was thinking about this Bug Jam thing at the end of the month.  As
  not everybody can get to one and we are are rather small outfit, why
  not have an online one.  With the different time zones everybody’s in
  I thought we could have two to four four hour sessions on the IRC
  channel at different time over the weekend.

 Good idea :-)

 I could probably be online for mentoring. If people want to learn and/or
 work on specific items, let me know before the week-end, so I could
 prepare a bit the Jam :-)

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Maverick Alpha 3

2010-08-07 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

Sorry to haunt you, but a bit of good news :-)

the down load to my computer and the upload to the server went well. It has
been checked :

the download has just finished, the speed was between 250-270, didn't get
 below 250


The download time from the server was about 35 minutes (beggars can not be
choosers). The md5checksum is okay.

I've added that server as 'Secondary Server' to
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers  when ever you wish to alter the
links over, it is good to be switched :-)

I've amended the notes for checking the iso and CD.

Regards,

Phill.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le vendredi 06 août 2010 à 20:56 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
  As soon as I have the iso and have md5'd it, I'll get it put onto the
  server. I recall you said you can host it for 6 days?
 Yes.

  Is the self-test of the cd now working, or should I update the
  instructions for the a3.
 I didn't test it, but I don't think it's fixed.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Maverick Alpha 3

2010-08-06 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

The link for the direct download reports back as broken in Chromium, it's
downloading via Firefox okay though ??!!

As soon as I have the iso and have md5'd it, I'll get it put onto the
server. I recall you said you can host it for 6 days?

Is the self-test of the cd now working, or should I update the instructions
for the a3.

Excellent work, I'm looking forward to finally getting Maverick Lubuntu onto
my system :-)

Regards,

Phill.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,

 The Lubuntu Maverick Alpha 3 iso is now available for testing.

 Please note that Lubuntu Maverick is based on Ubuntu Maverick, same
 warning apply :

 Pre-releases of Maverick are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a
 stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional,
 even frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu
 developers and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing
 bugs.

 == What's new ? ==
 Since Alpha 2 :
 - New theme, made by Rafael Laguna
 - New slideshow available during the installation
 - Lubuntu include now some small games, powered by ace-of-penguins.
 - Evince is now used for reading PDF.
 - LXDE is now HAL-free. Lubuntu still depends on HAL for CD-burner, but
 by removing it, you can obtain a HAL-free system.
 - And the usual updates of LXDE and Lubuntu components packages.

 Since the beginning of Maverick :
 - Updates on programs installed by default :
  * Update-notifier was added
  * Xpad was added
  * Parcellite was removed
  * Pyneighborhood was removed
  * LXtask was added, to replace Xfce4-taskmanager
 - A new meta-package (lubuntu-core) is available to install only core
 packages of Lubuntu.
 - A new meta-package (lubuntu-restricted-extras) is available to install
 restricted packages for Lubutnu (such as flash, java and extra codecs
 for chromium)
 - Add support for indicator applets on lxpanel (turn off by default)
 - And the usual Ubuntu updates.

 == Specific Lubuntu changes ==
 Lubuntu contains 2 specific changes still not available on Ubuntu
 official repository :
 - Support for lxdm in ubiquity
 - Lubuntu slideshow for ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu

 == Testing needed ==
 We'll appreciate some feedbacks about the followings recent additions :
 - The slideshow, especially the text, to be able to start translation.
 - Feedback on the new theme.

 == Known bugs ==
 * Start menu of the Live-CD is not correctly translated.
 * Install menu entry in the Live-CD doesn't work.
 * Keyboard layout is not correctly set on the Live-CD session.
 * The splash screen on Live-CD session may fall-back to Ubuntu text one.

 == Reporting bugs ==
 You can find information on how to report bug on this wiki page :
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs

 == Download ==
 Torrent:
 http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-maverick-alpha3.iso.torrent
 Download: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-maverick-alpha3.iso
 Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt

 Happy testing :)

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Maverick Alpha 3

2010-08-06 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Cancel the bit about Chromium, it's that annoying 'feature' it has of adding
some additional text onto the end of an URL !!

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hi Julien,

 The link for the direct download reports back as broken in Chromium, it's
 downloading via Firefox okay though ??!!

 As soon as I have the iso and have md5'd it, I'll get it put onto the
 server. I recall you said you can host it for 6 days?

 Is the self-test of the cd now working, or should I update the instructions
 for the a3.

 Excellent work, I'm looking forward to finally getting Maverick Lubuntu
 onto my system :-)

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,

 The Lubuntu Maverick Alpha 3 iso is now available for testing.

 Please note that Lubuntu Maverick is based on Ubuntu Maverick, same
 warning apply :

 Pre-releases of Maverick are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a
 stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional,
 even frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu
 developers and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing
 bugs.

 == What's new ? ==
 Since Alpha 2 :
 - New theme, made by Rafael Laguna
 - New slideshow available during the installation
 - Lubuntu include now some small games, powered by ace-of-penguins.
 - Evince is now used for reading PDF.
 - LXDE is now HAL-free. Lubuntu still depends on HAL for CD-burner, but
 by removing it, you can obtain a HAL-free system.
 - And the usual updates of LXDE and Lubuntu components packages.

 Since the beginning of Maverick :
 - Updates on programs installed by default :
  * Update-notifier was added
  * Xpad was added
  * Parcellite was removed
  * Pyneighborhood was removed
  * LXtask was added, to replace Xfce4-taskmanager
 - A new meta-package (lubuntu-core) is available to install only core
 packages of Lubuntu.
 - A new meta-package (lubuntu-restricted-extras) is available to install
 restricted packages for Lubutnu (such as flash, java and extra codecs
 for chromium)
 - Add support for indicator applets on lxpanel (turn off by default)
 - And the usual Ubuntu updates.

 == Specific Lubuntu changes ==
 Lubuntu contains 2 specific changes still not available on Ubuntu
 official repository :
 - Support for lxdm in ubiquity
 - Lubuntu slideshow for ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu

 == Testing needed ==
 We'll appreciate some feedbacks about the followings recent additions :
 - The slideshow, especially the text, to be able to start translation.
 - Feedback on the new theme.

 == Known bugs ==
 * Start menu of the Live-CD is not correctly translated.
 * Install menu entry in the Live-CD doesn't work.
 * Keyboard layout is not correctly set on the Live-CD session.
 * The splash screen on Live-CD session may fall-back to Ubuntu text one.

 == Reporting bugs ==
 You can find information on how to report bug on this wiki page :
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs

 == Download ==
 Torrent:
 http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-maverick-alpha3.iso.torrent
 Download: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-maverick-alpha3.iso
 Md5 http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-maverick-alpha3.isoMd5:
 http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt

 Happy testing :)

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 10.10 Alpha 3 installer cashes

2010-08-06 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi, Hung,

Testing with VBox is useful, but not something that can be guaranteed to
work during the test cycle.

I'm not too sure what is happening with Ubiquity on this release cycle, but
Vbox and full GUI install are two quite different things

Regards,

Phill.

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Duy Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Oh, I forgot to tell you, I'm trying it with Virtualbox, I've only got 1
 machine so I have to test in virtual machine. By the way, sometimes uiquity
 crashes when the welcome screen of installer appears :( .

 Regards.
 Hung

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE PPA for packages from Lubuntu unstable version

2010-08-05 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

I added the ppa to my 10.04 version, upon booting it just seems to display a
dark screen. I can log onto the system via Crtl-Alt-F2, which reports that X
is running. I've used ppa-purge to back the ppa out, but will be happy to
give it another try if there are any things you'd like me to check up on.
(I've got to add, I'm very impressed with ppa-purge).

Regards,

Phill.
P.S. As the new Hard drive is settled in and I have my system pretty much as
I need it, I'll be joining 10.10 testing with the next alpha, sorry to be
late to the party. I'll also get it uploaded to the server. Would you like
me to take the alpha2 down at that point, or would you rather me keep it
there (disk space is not an issue on there), and just edit the wiki area to
point to the alpha3?

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I made some updates to the LXDE PPA :
 https://launchpad.net/~lxde/+archive/ppa

 Now, versions available in Maverick are backported to Lucid. It's useful
 if you want to test versions from Maverick without upgrading all your
 system. It's also useful for people who want to report bugs to test with
 those packages first, to see if the bug is already fixed.

 However, there is less testing with those packages, so if you want to
 keep your system more stable, don't use this PPA.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE PPA for packages from Lubuntu unstable version

2010-08-05 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Jerry,

we have to wait for the a3 of ubuntu 'main' to be released to build lubuntu
against, so it can be a day or two behind the 'main' release. Rest assured
it will be here soon :-)

Regards,

Phill.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:10 AM, jerryla...@aim.com wrote:

 Phill,

 Maverick Alpha 3 up and running here with Gnome  Firefox, would like to
 try Lubuntu Maverick Alpha3 when it's ready.

 Thanks, Jerry


   -Original Message-
 From: Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
 To: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
 Cc: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
 Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 6:56 pm
 Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE PPA for packages from Lubuntu unstable
 version

  Hi Julien,

  I added the ppa to my 10.04 version, upon booting it just seems to
 display a dark screen. I can log onto the system via Crtl-Alt-F2, which
 reports that X is running. I've used ppa-purge to back the ppa out, but will
 be happy to give it another try if there are any things you'd like me to
 check up on. (I've got to add, I'm very impressed with ppa-purge).

  Regards,

  Phill.
 P.S. As the new Hard drive is settled in and I have my system pretty much
 as I need it, I'll be joining 10.10 testing with the next alpha, sorry to be
 late to the party. I'll also get it uploaded to the server. Would you like
 me to take the alpha2 down at that point, or would you rather me keep it
 there (disk space is not an issue on there), and just edit the wiki area to
 point to the alpha3?

 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I made some updates to the LXDE PPA :
 https://launchpad.net/~lxde/+archive/ppahttps://launchpad.net/%7Elxde/+archive/ppa

 Now, versions available in Maverick are backported to Lucid. It's useful
 if you want to test versions from Maverick without upgrading all your
 system. It's also useful for people who want to report bugs to test with
 those packages first, to see if the bug is already fixed.

 However, there is less testing with those packages, so if you want to
 keep your system more stable, don't use this PPA.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved

2010-08-05 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

The new page has been added
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationTeam volunteers needed :-)

Can I make a point of thanking everyone who does spend time on the Wiki
area. Being able to answer a question on #lubuntu with a direct link to one
of the articles is a great help.

I'd also like to point everyone on the mailing list over to
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1546713  I guess that's one
explanation of why we do it.

Kindest Regards,

Phill.


On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le mardi 03 août 2010 à 23:31 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
 
  Translations (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Lubuntu) is a
  non-existant page, would be okay to add that page and then split it
  into two parts; the lxde parts of lubuntu would point to the
  translations section at http://lxde.org/join_lxde_community with a
  mention of the Ubuntu translations team at
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations
 Fixed, it should point to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Translations
 You can add a mention for the Ubuntu translation team.

 
  Tests (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam) Is
  referring back to 10.04 testing, would this be better to point to the
  Developers section (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers)
 Fixed also.


  if you are interested in contributing in one or more of these areas,
  please go to the SubTeams section for more information.  the
  SubTeams section click goes nowhere. Possibly rephrase to If you
  are interested in contributing in one or more of these areas, please
  click on the areas above that you would like to help with
 Good for me.

 
  I'd also like to add Documentaion to the list of areas where people
  can apply to. With having Zach along for helping with wiki format etc.
  we do now have some extra resources in man-hours and knowledge to be
  able to have a sub-team (plus I know a couple of others who will
  help).
 Sure :)

 I'll continue to improve technicals wiki pages when I have time.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

2010-08-03 Thread Phillip Whiteside
That's pretty awesome timing, I was pretty much all set to make a new
partition and have a 'play' with the mini-iso :-)

I'll put it on to
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall 'as is', it
can always be edited if the need arises.

Thanks,

Phill.

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:24:23 +0400
 Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:

  Update: both Ubuntu and Lubuntu installed from their respective 10.04 CDs
 do
  not have any eth0-related entries in /etc/network/interfaces. Lubuntu
  installed from 10.04 mini iso does have the usual:
  auto eth0
  iface eth0 inet dhcp
 
  which causes NetworkManager to not manage eth0 by default. Looks like we
  need to update the instructions...
 
  Regards!
  Mikhail
 
 This 'solution' just popped up on my RSS feed
 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-network-manager-disabled-problem-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid.html

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] modem 3g

2010-08-03 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

try the instructions at http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=92  please
let me know how you get on.

Regards,

Phill.

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
jpx...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi

 I've looked to several pages (the most complete is
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1472896) and there's no way to
 get my 3g modem to work... is there something that i'm missing?

 As i've said in the forum (that shows as Solved) i tried the solution and
 nothing happens.

 My modem is a Huawei e226.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

2010-08-03 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Mikhail,

Is the proposed change

*gksudo leafpad /etc/network/interfaces*
and edit it from
*auto eth0*
*iface eth0 inet dhcp*
to
*auto lo*
*iface lo inet loopback*

Save, quit  reboot?
Alternatively, if you have a different working solution, would you email it
me so I can update the wiki page.

Thanks,

Phill.

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yorvik,

 that 'solution' does not fix the default behavior of NM to not manage
 interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces. I think it may enable the
 whole NM management system when and if it is somehow turned off (screwed
 up?) but this is not the original case.

 Regards!
 Mikhail


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 On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:24:23 +0400
 Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:

  Update: both Ubuntu and Lubuntu installed from their respective 10.04
 CDs do
  not have any eth0-related entries in /etc/network/interfaces. Lubuntu
  installed from 10.04 mini iso does have the usual:
  auto eth0
  iface eth0 inet dhcp
 
  which causes NetworkManager to not manage eth0 by default. Looks like we
  need to update the instructions...
 
  Regards!
  Mikhail
 
 This 'solution' just popped up on my RSS feed
 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-network-manager-disabled-problem-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid.html

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[Lubuntu-desktop] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved

2010-08-03 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

when we were looking at the reporting bugs coding, I had a further dig down
that page. Under Contributing to the lubuntu project

*Reporting bugs* (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs) the page
you were working on seems fine.

*Translations* (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Lubuntu) is a
non-existant page, would be okay to add that page and then split it into two
parts; the lxde parts of lubuntu would point to the translations section at
http://lxde.org/join_lxde_community with a mention of the Ubuntu
translations team at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations

*Tests* (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam) Is
referring back to 10.04 testing, would this be better to point to the
Developers section (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers)

*Code  Patches* points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers so
seems to be correct.

*Artwork* points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork so seems to be
correct.

if you are interested in contributing in one or more of these areas, please
go to the SubTeams
sectionhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#subteamsection
 for more information.
the SubTeams section click goes nowhere. Possibly rephrase to
If you are interested in contributing in one or more of these areas, please
click on the areas above that you would like to help with

I'd also like to add *Documentaion *to the list of areas where people can
apply to. With having Zach along for helping with wiki format etc. we do now
have some extra resources in man-hours and knowledge to be able to have a
sub-team (plus I know a couple of others who will help).

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

2010-08-02 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

that certainly leaves me a bit puzzled, as the mini-iso requires a wired
connection for it to work !!

I'll set up a new partition and try it again (I'm the author of instructions
you're referring to). You are the first person to say that you are having a
problem when using them.

Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yorvyk,

 for me the problem reproduces on all three Lubuntu installations I
 have at hand: an old P4-based desktop system and two notebooks,
 ThinkPad X61 and Lenovo G450.

 As Julien noticed, this is a known misbehavior of NetworkManager,
 documented on the Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager,
 under Wired Networks are Unmanaged). There's also a bug in Debian
 tracker, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024.

 Were those many installs of yours done via Lubuntu CD, or via minimal
 installation (
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall)?
 If the problem occurs only when doing minimal install, we have to
 update the instructions.

 Regards!
 Mikhail

 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
  On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:31:05 +0400
  Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi, list.
 
  Lubuntu Lucid installed from mini.iso seems to be affected by a bug in
  NetworkManager (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024
 ):
  the wired network interface is not managed by NetworkManager by
  default. Does anyone know if this also happens when installing from
  Lubuntu CD?
 
  Never seen a problem with the many installs I’ve done using Lubuntu
 Lucid.
 
  --
  Steve Cook (Yorvyk)
 
  http://lubuntu.net
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to Get Informative Boot/Install

2010-08-02 Thread Phillip Whiteside
If I recall, the routine for testing the CD that is on the CD will report
failure.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DevelopersHas the work-around for it.

Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 When you see the First boot screen, press pace and you will get the normal
 text boot screen. You can now test the CD for defects. A slow burn and MD5
 success will pretty much garuntee this but it's worth a test. The same
 screen can test the ram.

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Did you MD5 test the ISO?


 No, but I just did, and it's correct.


 Did you burn as SLOWLY as you could?


 Yes, 8.


  Have you checked the CD for defects?


 No, don't know how. How does one do that?


 Have you tested your RAM for errors?


 No, because I often install new distros, and I recently installed the
 Ubuntu Minimal CD Alpha 2 without difficulty.

 OTOH, my fairly new motherboard has an nVidia chipset, which sometimes
 causes problems.

 Lane




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 Thanks, Andrew. When the nomodeset didn't work, I tried that post's
 second option:
 i915.modeset=0 xforcevesa
 but it stopped at the same place, although with a small font.

 Lane


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to Get Informative Boot/Install

2010-08-02 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Glad to be of help, at least the documents are read occasionally ;-)

you may also want to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#Missing
key for lubuntu ppa As that is another known little gremlin in the system.

Regards,

Phill.
P.S. on my email system, I use Reply to all

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.com wrote:

 I'll try another and see how it goes.

 Lane


 A fresh CD did the trick! I'm typing this in Lubuntu 10.10. I didn't have
 to add anything to the command line to do the install.

 Now to see about installing the nVidia video driver. That hardly ever goes
 to completion, but all I have to do is copy a good xorg.conf over, and I'm
 all set.

 Thanks again for continuing to feed the suggestions until I got a working
 system!

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[Lubuntu-desktop] 10.10 alpha2 iso

2010-07-30 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

Julien has confirmed that the uploaded iso as passing its md5checksum test,
so it is good for usage.

I will endeavour to keep them updated as Julien releases them and update
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers  as I get them uploaded.

Regards,

Phill.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] hosting an iso

2010-07-29 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

My permanent host system is not ready yet, so I asked the people who are
looking after my hosting at present..

phill: hi, I just want to know if it is okay to host a 600MB cd image that
would be downloaded by approximately 20 people ?
Hamid H.: yes of course
phill: thanks you ever so much

It's being uploaded as we speak, once it's on there I've to figure out how
to access it :-)

Regards,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] hosting an iso

2010-07-29 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Steve,

It's only for the 10.10 alphas :-)

hopefully my main hosting will be sorted out by then and can already host
the 10.10 (final) on there, the sysop will use bandwidth throttling if I am
putting the dedicated server that I've got a piece of under too much strain
:-)

Regards,

Phill.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:41:57 +0100
 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Hi Julien,
 
  My permanent host system is not ready yet, so I asked the people who are
  looking after my hosting at present..
 
  phill: hi, I just want to know if it is okay to host a 600MB cd image
 that
  would be downloaded by approximately 20 people ?
 Should there be another zero, or two, on the end of that :D

  Hamid H.: yes of course
  phill: thanks you ever so much
 
  It's being uploaded as we speak, once it's on there I've to figure out
 how
  to access it :-)
 
  Regards,
 
  Phill.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Intro...

2010-07-29 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Zach,

it's great to have a new slave to help me with documentation :p

Seriously, yeah, great to have you along for this exciting project.

Regards,

Phill.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Zach Kriesse zkrie...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hello all, just wanted to introduce myself to the team. Some of you may
 know me, at least Phill W will. I'm interested in the Lubuntu Desktop
 project and I'd like to help out. Specifically with Documentation and
 Wiki work. My personal Ubuntu Wiki page is
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/zkriesse and my launchpad page is
 https://launchpad.net/~zkriesse Any questions you can either email me or
 find me on the irc.freenode.net network I'm usually in the following
 channels. #ubuntu-beginners #ubuntu-beginners-team
 #ubuntu-beginners-wiki #ubuntu-youth #ubuntu-doc and many others. Any
 questions go ahead and email me or find me on IRC. I look forward to
 working with all of you.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changes to the seed

2010-07-29 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien

Hopefully by then I will have sorted out how this hosting the iso works :p

My internet was having a bad hour and it failed the upload at 98.2 %  (three
hours that took, I'm on a pretty slow link out here in the contryside). At
least once I get the iso ONTO the server I can have look / play with how to
make it accessible :-)

Regards,

Phill.
P.S. you've got far too much time on your hands if you're uploading games
(lol)


On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I made some changes to the lubuntu-desktop package (which was a bit
 broken recently) for Maverick :
 - Replacing epdfview by evince : let's try if it's lightweight and good
 enough.
 - Adding ace-of-penguins : it's a collection of little games (cards,
 minesweeper ...). Not fancy but very lightweight :)

 Any feedbacks / tests are welcome.

 I don't plan to add any more modifications until Alpha 3, planned for 5
 or 6th August.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [lubuntu-desktop]

2010-07-28 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

I'm not sure how you installed LAMP, I use tasksel and it always works fine
for me. I've just done a classroom on it. The slides haven't been posted up
yet, but the tutorial can also be found at
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=119

http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=119Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:54 PM, xsaiddx said kosai...@gmail.com wrote:

 im wondering why 3 in 5 times when my pc start after few sec everythin
 freez and i have no controle mouse/keyboard .. only the turf off button
 also if i run lampp and im not connected to internet lampp doesnt work its
 so weird

 any idea ??

 tnx

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Logs and ubot

2010-07-27 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Jerry,

the ubot and (proposed) channel logging is for the #lubuntu IRC
(Details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#How
to get help)

Chromium Vs Chrome,
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome Chromium
is, afik, the version that does not track what you do, it is also the
development of Chrome (Feel free to correct me) and the devs are really open
to reporting of bugs.

AbiWord,

I've attached an Abiword document copied and pasted from my forum area, it
seems to have maintained the links. I've not altered the text colour, as I
use a 'dark' theme on my forum area, with the text in a lighter colour.
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=114

OpenOffice,

I've attached an open office document copied and pasted from my forum area
with an image in it. It does not seem to have posted the image?
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=119

I have recently prepared a set of slides for an up coming class that I am
giving on installing LAMP. As far as I know for embedding graphics, you have
to add it to the document as an image with the local link to the image.
(Well, certainly in OOo presentation, you have to).

But, they are finer points of applications, and not what I was asking about
:-)

Regards,

Phill.


On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:40 AM, jerryla...@aim.com wrote:

 Phil,

 I don't know what a log-bot or a ubot is.  I've used the ubuntu forums for
 years getting a lot of useful info for example the ubuntu maverick forum,
 forums dealing with intel and ati video graphics, etc.

 I've lubuntu on a couple of my four test pc's, working well!  LXDE is
 fine.  I do have a bit to learn about chrome or is chromium?

 abiword doesn't cut it because I can't select and copy an internet page
 including graphics with abiword the way openoffice write will.  I don't know
 if I could copy the text then select and paste the graphics into abiword?

 Jerry

  -Original Message-




forum posting.abw
Description: application/abiword


test with graphics.odt
Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki page

2010-07-23 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

I've not ignored things, I'm still learning and hope you are all happy with
my layout so far. I do not understand how / what the area you wish to be
split / added to.

I think we should put a link on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ to

Applications and other Features, it's more a description of Lubuntu than

a Getting Involved stuff.


There are also pages on there that are out of date.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs is out of date, there are others
that are also well out dated. Can I have a general clean up of those also?
I'm told that the 'system' keeps backups, but I assure you that I would hold
a local copy and upload to the server any pages that I want to edit a lot
and also for any pages I nominate for deletion.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/DocumentationSubTeam  Would you
check with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/c-david-rigby that I add my self to that
list.

Sorry to be a pain on checking things out; but you seem to be the only one
who replies when I am asking for the structure of how the Lubuntu team is.

Keep going; lubuntu is very well liked by those who discover it. You and all
the dev and testing team are absolute stars.

Regards,

Phill.

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le samedi 10 juillet 2010 à 02:13 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
  'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Applications and
  other Features' is moved to
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved

 I think we should put a link on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ to
 Applications and other Features, it's more a description of Lubuntu than
 a Getting Involved stuff.

 For other modifications, I'm ok with them.

 Regards,
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium and piglet.

2010-07-21 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

Good news and bad news

As in the time honoured fashion, I'll do the bad news first.

My hard disk on piglet is dying, quite rapidly. I have all my backups etc,
but transferring all my various partitions on to a replacement hard drive is
going to take a little while. I'm planning to kick it all off Thursday 22 at
about 10:00 UTC, so will be a little 'tied up'.

The even worse news ...

I'll be back !!!

And now the good news

for those who are sane, have better things to do etc. and are not on the
Lubuntu desktop bugs mailing list, this one popped by a little earlier ..

While evaluating boot charts (on armel) I just noticed that starting

chromium entails a two second I/O block where it calls lsb_release

twice. lsb_release is an utterly heavy program, since it invokes Python.

If I eliminate this and hardcode DISTRO and RELEASE, I can halve the

startup time from 2.2 s to just over a second.


As that is on a 'decent' computer, it could make quite a difference to the
less powerful ones. I'm very happy to say that it took only about three
hours to be addressed and ..

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/608253

I echo the thanks for the speed at which Fabian at the Chromium team pushed
the resolution out. If you'd like to get a hold of it to see the difference
it makes, give it 24 hours to hit the daily build and add the daily ppa [1]
I'm pretty sure it will be confirmed works. Do feel free to say so on the
bug report, for both 10.04 lubuntu and 10.10 :-)

Regards,

Phill.
[1]sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com4E5E17B5
 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:chromium-daily
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Thoughts on installation

2010-07-17 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Heck Steve,

you'll be suggesting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu or even
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp next ;-)

Regards,

Phill.

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 A couple of thoughts I had while installing Lubuntu for somebody today.
  Could the screensaver be disabled during install, this is an incredible
 waste of computing power on an old machine which takes quite some time for
 the install to complete.
 Would it be possible to 'seed' some web addresses into the Chromium
 Bookmark Bar.  Such as lubuntu.net and ubuntuforum.org.


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[Lubuntu-desktop] meta package

2010-07-17 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

(please do not hate me too much today)

could you have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages and
phrase our lxde variant to it.

Based on:

*xfce*: This package is a meta-package; it depends on the core packages of
the Xfce4 desktop environment and recommends some extra Xfce4 packages. If
you intend to use Xfce4 and want the full experience then installing this
package and the packages it Recommends is a great place to start. If you
just want to pick and choose the core components then feel free to remove
this package.

I would make it for us as:

*lxde*:  This package is the meta-package for lubuntu; it is just a list of
what to install. It is a design decision that all packages included in
lubuntu-desktop depend on it, so as to be able to use *
--no-install-recommends* option when the initial installation occurs, thus
preventing non-essential programs being installed. If you just want to pick
and choose the which components of lubuntu to use, this package can be
safely removed.

Am I somewhere near?

Sorry to bother you, I'm trying to get the Wiki area all sorted out; do
expect some more questions. If there is someone else I should be liasing
with for this task, please let me know.

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Server Download Available?

2010-07-15 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

head over to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Get Lubuntu

The 1st 'get lubuntu' gives you a choice of server or torrent, the second is
a server download only.

Regards,

Phill.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.com wrote:

 I went to https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg01907.html

 If I left-click on the Download link, it downloads a 22K file.

 If I right-click on the Download link, Transmission starts a torrent
 download.

 Torrents take forever with me, so I like to get things from a regular
 server.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 2.6.35-8 kernel won't start X?

2010-07-15 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hiya,

if you have a minimal installation, you can just pop on the lubuntu desktop
onto it. It's covered at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Minimal
Install

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Minimal InstallRegards,

Phill.

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 On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Please disregard this post.. it appears to *not* be specific to
 Lubuntu.  Many of the alpha testers are having problems with 35-7
 regardless of their flavor of 'buntu.  Oddly, I had no problems until
 35-8, but now 35-7 is acting up as well.  The joys of pre-beta. :-)


 Kernel 35-8 is working OK for me with nvidia-current, but this is on an
 install of Ubuntu Minimal CD. I'll download Lubuntu and see how that
 installs... if I can find the link for the latest.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Server Download Available?

2010-07-15 Thread Phillip Whiteside
The ones here ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DevelopersRegards,

Phill.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:


 head over to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Get 
 Lubuntuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Get+Lubuntu


 The 1st 'get lubuntu' gives you a choice of server or torrent, the second
 is a server download only.


 Thanks, Phill. I'm interested in 10.10, and it looks like someone goofed
 and linked the torrent for the Server link as well as the Torrent link.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Server Download Available?

2010-07-15 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Ahh,

I will let Julien know.

I'm _sure_ I got my download that way, but you are correct, it is now
pointing a a torrent.

Regards,

Phill.

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 On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 The ones here ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers


 Yep, you get a 22K file from both links.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 2.6.35-8 kernel won't start X?

2010-07-15 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

I think they would give you the 10.04 package on top of the newer kernel
package. I'd need to ask where the 10.10 ppa is at.

Regards,

Phill.


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 On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 if you have a minimal installation, you can just pop on the lubuntu
 desktop onto it. It's covered at 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Minimal
 Installhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Minimal+Install

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Minimal+Install
 Regards,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] first impression about lubuntu from lubuntu.net iso and it's netbook mode

2010-07-14 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

glad you like it :-) The styles, wallpaper, button order etc. etc. Can be
found at Preferences -- Openbox Configuration. Gtk2 themes can be found
with any search engine, a couple of good places to head for free ones are
http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2  http://www.deviantart.com/ (search for
gtk),

The preferences for the panel can be found by right-clicking on it, and
selecting 'Panel Settings' (I always have mine at the top).

I also run Deadbeef, but it is not in the repositries as yet so has to be
maunally added (We can't include it by default).

As you seem interested in art-work, themes etc. why not join the artwork
area? Where they're up to is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork this
mailing list will put you in touch with them.

I'll put onto my list to get some documentation written up and posted on the
adding / changing themes etc. (Unless some one already has some).

There was some further discussion at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1445641 which has to alter your
desktop picture.

Please note !! All the above is for desktop version, but the programmes
should all be the same, just some settings will be different !

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Sylkis syl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Today I have downloaded the iso from lubuntu.net, that is the one supposed
 to be used by ordinary users, I suppose. Generally it makes great impression
 (however it has to be personalised in my opinion to become fully useable,
 but I guess that can be said about any operating system) and have some
 suggestions about netbook desktop of lubuntu.

 I really love it, it works basically in the same way as UNR, but it's
 lightweight of course :) but it has few drawbacks.

 First of all - I couldn't find anywhere how to personalise it. I mean from
 the menus, what can I find in them, to the way how it looks like. No
 wallpaper, no changes in colour scheme, etc - and it surely WILL scare away
 new users from this mode.
 I know that making it transparent menu (the bottom panel can do that,
 right? so I guess it should not be a big problem to do the same thing
 here?) or wallpaper-able in any other way and customizeable in terms of
 colours, etc would make it a bit heavier, but still I think it's really
 worth it. Now it looks potentially unattractive for random ordinary user,
 especially for newbies,  as the only thing that is great about it is
 usefullness and convienience. But in today's world of eye-candied
 Ubuntu-Unity, macOSX and windows7 it's not enough, as it lacks really basic
 features, that non-netbook lubuntu desktop DOES offer. I'm not saying that
 it should become something like that heavy animated openGL netbook-launcher
 thing, but I believe most people would prefer to look at some favourite
 photo (or sth) rather than on plain light blue screen.
 OR if there is a way how to customize the looks of the netbook menu, you
 should make it easily accesible, cause I couldn't find it, and if I didn't -
 then I bet no newbie would either.

 Another thing that I think would be nice is that the top panel of the
 netbook desktop menu would be somehow always on top, I mean never covered
 with windows, and clicking on it while some window is maximized would
 minimize everything and let user jump to desktop same as one icon in the
 bottom panel does (and that one would be unnessesary then). BUT - as I have
 mentioned, there IS an icon in panel that makes user jump to naked desktop
 menu anyways, so that change is just an idea that is unlikely to do, as it's
 not needed. I guess i't somehow because I'm use tod UNR, there clicking on
 the left side of the panel worked like that.

 Oh, and non-netbook-menu matter; it would be GREAT if the standard black
 LXDE background of the bottom panel would be included. It looked just great,
 i don't understand why was it changed for such ugly gray one, but well -
 that's a matter of taste, and the general artwork looks really fine, so I
 guess it was part of a larger concept. Still, while customising I wanted to
 change the colour of the panel and found no alternative graphic, only the
 deafult gray one, or the possibility of plain and/or transparent colours. I
 belive such graphic weigths just a few KB, so wy not give people choice?

 And last but not least, I didn't see deadbeef in defaultly installed apps,
 there was still aqualung in there. Is it still supposed to be like that? and
 will the bottom panel be moved to top, and [minimise]/[maximise]/[close]
 buttons moved to the left corner of window, like in new ubuntu? I'm just
 curious about consistence of general ubuntu idea and the if that the iso
 from lubuntu.net is and up-to-date one, or shall I download newer one from
 somewhere else?

 Phew... I think that's all for now, I'm getting back to lubuntu as my main
 system of everyday use, after quite a long break.

 If I come up with anything, I'll let you know for sure.

 Cheers, Kuba

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some suggestions

2010-07-14 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

If you need firefox, Open office etc., then maybe you should have a look at
xubuntu? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
that is the lower resource version of Ubuntu (gnome) that includes the most
part of it.

Lubuntu is a departure from open office, etc. There is nothing to stop you
installing *any* package into lubuntu, just bear in mind a couple of points:

1) The lubuntu team is very small, because of that:

2) You're on your own it is not working / breaks you system.

Lubuntu does take everything I have thrown at it, that it is not to say you
would have the same happy experience. Please just bear that in mind when you
stray from the default applications. Please do not go complaining to us or
others that you added 'this', 'that' and 'the other' to it and managed to
break it. The team can only support a standard installation of lubuntu, if
you wish to go 'play' and see how far you can get, make sure you have plenty
of backups.

*Altering lubuntu is *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable system or
anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even frequent
breakage. You are, however, welcome to do so at your own risk.*

All the *buntu family allow you to do to it as you wish, just accept we
cannot help you if things should go wrong.

Regards,

Phill.
P.S.
If you are hell bent on pushing lubuntu, then
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=103 may interest you. I do,
however once again state that the title of that thread and that area are in
no way a part of the official lubuntu area.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:23:58 -0400
 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote:

  I use OOo a lot, since it's the only that can import correctly ms files
  and here (Chile) everybody use windows and ms office, so for me it's the
  only way to do what i need. This said, gnome office don't have something
 to
  view or edit ppts.
  Besides there are a lot of things that with abiword i just can't do.
 
 I suppose it depends on what you’re doing and what sort of 'mess' people
 make of thier MSWord documents.

  About chromium and firefox, i've installed firefox and works very nice.
 My
  video card is an Ati integrated of 8mb.
 
  Thanks for the tip to be able to contribute. The cromium app is a goo
 idea,
  don't you think?
 
 The problem with any distribution is going to be what apps are chosen as
 default, as you’ll never please everybody. But, you can at least choose
 something different if you don’t like what’s on offer and it is relatively
 easy to install and remove apps.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some suggestions

2010-07-14 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi, it's usually at this point I get shouted at.

WICD is interesting, but we've had far more success with
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=92  You must however understand
that such postings cannot be supported by the team. A lot of the things over
there are either on the Wiki area, or they are not. The things that are not
on the Wiki area are nothing to do with the lubuntu team.; they are, as
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=103 says, daft things that we
do.

Chromium is still about the leanest browser, it may take a little more RAM
up on entry, but requires less per new tab than ffox does. As the argument
goes on, it will finish with HTML5 in a couple of years time, flv will not
be an issue. (http://www.youtube.com/html5 ) Oh, it will happen :-)

Yeah, I have seen that in certain reports they do say that xubuntu is more
resource hungry than ubuntu; that is of no concern to us, we concentrate on
the best we can do for lubuntu.
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=52

People confuse Chome with Chromium, they are different. also the devs for
Chromium are accessible but please understand that the whole google OS /
Chrome / Chomium is very new. We do have a 'slight' advantage ... it's all
developed around ubuntu / debian. Oooh, I do love it when a plan comes
together - Just don't tell a certain William Gates.

Regards,

Phill.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:45 AM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi:

 First of all, i'm not complaining, i'm just saying that a program is better
 than another, but the reasons to use abiword and gnumeric are quite solid so
 i wont say anything else about that.
 Second, i've found WICD, an app that could replace network manager in
 lubuntu 10.10 to be far independent from gnome... has someone tried it? is
 it good enough?
 Third, for Chromium my idea was to make an add-on that eliminates all the
 animations from the program itself.
 Fourth, xubuntu cosumes more ram than ubuntu itself.

 A question... how's going the thing about being a part of canonical family?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC bots

2010-07-12 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,
with no votes against so far, i propose to put in a request for both IRC
bots to be added in 24 hours; so, as they at weddings speak now, or forever
hold your peace :-)

It has been mentioned to me that we could (should) use #ubuntu-meetings for
meetings, but until things settle down and we get full adoption, I do not
see having the ability to host a meeting on #lubuntu as being a problem, it
only adding an option.

As always when I ask questions, I will take 'deafening silence' as an okay.
I can see no negative side to #lubuntu that having the functionality that
those two bots will bring. Anyone wishing to help with adding lubuntu
specific factoids to the ubot please do say :-)
(Oh, I'd better explain, a factoid is when you type in *!lxterminal* and the
bot tells you where to get information on lxterminal).

Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Hi,

 Moot bot is the one I am suggesting be added for meetings, getting either
 added is not a problem. Being given permission by the team to do so is what
 I seek just as I always ask about doing things to the wiki area (the next
 level of that is going to take some time).

 I've gotten this far https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu but have been told
 that I need to consider how
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp is set up and needs to
 be split up into sub-pages to follow the wiki guide lines.

 IMHO we do need to allow a few minutes of time to what happens when the
 'cheeky little baby meerkat' is released and lubuntu support gets busy when
 all these new people start to use it.

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.comwrote:

 On Monday 12,July,2010 02:23 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
  Hi gang,
 
  *_ubot2_*
 
  in amongst my travels I've had a chat about the little room bots that
  live on rooms like #ubuntu-beginners that people can ask questions of
  (try entering !grub and !grub2 on that room). I have been informed that
  we can have the ubot2 added to #lubuntu if we wish. This would give
  access to a quick way of people getting information. I've also asked
  about the adding to the ubot2 (for example lxterminal) and have been
  told that this can be requested.
 
  _*meeting bot*_
 
  We can also have a meeting bot added, so any meeting that we hold on
  #lubuntu will be automatically formatted and archived. Zach had a play
  with it on the #ubuntu-beginners-wiki channel. The result of it can be
  found
  at
 http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-beginners-wiki/2010/ubuntu-beginners-wiki.2010-07-11-15.57.html
  (I
  hasten to add, it was just Zach  learning from Alan a bit about how the
  bot works, with me looking on ;-)  )
 
  I propose that we have this functionality added to #lubuntu, please let
  me know whether to ask for either or both to be added.

 I suggest getting both bots added. For the latter, we could request that
 MootBot[1] reside in #lubuntu (see the How do I request the bot?
 section).

 [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot

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[Lubuntu-desktop] IRC bots

2010-07-11 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi gang,

*ubot2*

in amongst my travels I've had a chat about the little room bots that live
on rooms like #ubuntu-beginners that people can ask questions of (try
entering !grub and !grub2 on that room). I have been informed that we can
have the ubot2 added to #lubuntu if we wish. This would give access to a
quick way of people getting information. I've also asked about the adding to
the ubot2 (for example lxterminal) and have been told that this can be
requested.

*meeting bot*

We can also have a meeting bot added, so any meeting that we hold on
#lubuntu will be automatically formatted and archived. Zach had a play with
it on the #ubuntu-beginners-wiki channel. The result of it can be found at
http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-beginners-wiki/2010/ubuntu-beginners-wiki.2010-07-11-15.57.html
 (I
hasten to add, it was just Zach  learning from Alan a bit about how the bot
works, with me looking on ;-)  )

I propose that we have this functionality added to #lubuntu, please let me
know whether to ask for either or both to be added.

Regards,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC bots

2010-07-11 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hiyas hyperair

As far as I understand it, Alan is involved with moot-bot at the development
area. (These devs always scare me). Getting any of them installed would not
be a problem, as previously stated lubuntu does have a lot of good will for
the project.

Hiyas yorvyk

Are you hinting we should have a meeting:)


Well, for the 10.10 maybe an idea? last meeting was in Feb when 10.04 was at
alpha stage.

Regards,

Phill.


On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 On Monday 12,July,2010 02:23 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
  Hi gang,
 
  *_ubot2_*
 
  in amongst my travels I've had a chat about the little room bots that
  live on rooms like #ubuntu-beginners that people can ask questions of
  (try entering !grub and !grub2 on that room). I have been informed that
  we can have the ubot2 added to #lubuntu if we wish. This would give
  access to a quick way of people getting information. I've also asked
  about the adding to the ubot2 (for example lxterminal) and have been
  told that this can be requested.
 
  _*meeting bot*_
 
  We can also have a meeting bot added, so any meeting that we hold on
  #lubuntu will be automatically formatted and archived. Zach had a play
  with it on the #ubuntu-beginners-wiki channel. The result of it can be
  found
  at
 http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-beginners-wiki/2010/ubuntu-beginners-wiki.2010-07-11-15.57.html
  (I
  hasten to add, it was just Zach  learning from Alan a bit about how the
  bot works, with me looking on ;-)  )
 
  I propose that we have this functionality added to #lubuntu, please let
  me know whether to ask for either or both to be added.

 I suggest getting both bots added. For the latter, we could request that
 MootBot[1] reside in #lubuntu (see the How do I request the bot?
 section).

 [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC bots

2010-07-11 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

that was the general idea of what I was told :-)

although having a link to a wiki page does increase the chances of the
addition being accepted as it will filter to all the ubots on all pages.

Regards,

Phill.



On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 to add to ubottu (the bot in #ubuntu) run:

 !factoid is description

 e.g.

 !eggs is Eggs are laid by chickns and can be made into tasty omelettes


 etc.
 Run this in #ubuntu channel and it will be reviewed for addition.



 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Hi gang,

 *ubot2*

 in amongst my travels I've had a chat about the little room bots that live
 on rooms like #ubuntu-beginners that people can ask questions of (try
 entering !grub and !grub2 on that room). I have been informed that we can
 have the ubot2 added to #lubuntu if we wish. This would give access to a
 quick way of people getting information. I've also asked about the adding to
 the ubot2 (for example lxterminal) and have been told that this can be
 requested.

 *meeting bot*

 We can also have a meeting bot added, so any meeting that we hold on
 #lubuntu will be automatically formatted and archived. Zach had a play with
 it on the #ubuntu-beginners-wiki channel. The result of it can be found at
 http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-beginners-wiki/2010/ubuntu-beginners-wiki.2010-07-11-15.57.html
   (I
 hasten to add, it was just Zach  learning from Alan a bit about how the bot
 works, with me looking on ;-)  )

 I propose that we have this functionality added to #lubuntu, please let me
 know whether to ask for either or both to be added.

 Regards,

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[Lubuntu-desktop] wiki page

2010-07-09 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

I apologise for the multiple messages coming from my editing the wiki area.
I've got a couple of wiki people helping me with links etc. As they are not
trivial edits, I feel uneasy to use that tag.

Hi Gang,

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp

I'd like to do a make-over of that area. What is proposed is:

'Documentation and Help' becomes 'Help'
'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseManagementDiscussion' is removed, as
it is out of date.
'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Applications and other
Features' is moved to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
i also propose that details of 10.10 is moved to
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers with the details of
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Test
Lubuntu being moved over there, leaving just a 'stub'.

With the help of the wiki team, I've done some editing for things like the
inclusion of code to be typed into a terminal session.

Just so as everyone knows, I'm part of
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki/SoD2010 so, our own
wiki area is a good one for me to get help on.

As it is the aim of lubuntu to be adopted by Canonical, as per my previous
posting I'd like to ensure we comply with their documentation standards.

I'd appreciate any input as to what you'd like to see on there along with
proof reading to ensure any spelling mistakes etc. are corrected. All those
on the mailing list who have their launchpad accouts can log in and edit the
pages.

As always, your input is needed.

Well, that's my and the wiki teams ideas, please shout up anything that you
think are wrong, I will take deafening silence to mean Just get on with it
:-)

Regards,

Phill.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Using Mallard for Ubuntu docs

2010-07-08 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi gang !!

I'm on the documents mailing list and much is going on with the various
formats. As such, does anyone have any preferences re:

I think Xfce may be willing to adopt Mallard, but I'm not sure what the

situation is with KDE. The others I have even less idea about.


in [1]


How much do distributions like kubuntu, xubuntu and lubuntu derive their

docs from the ubuntu team? Will it mean that they have to also convert

to mallard? Or will they be converting the mallard back to docbook?


As for the translations I think that until we know how much we risk

messing up, we should not start doing too much. There are a lot of

translators that have put in hard work, and it would be very annoying

for them to have to do it again.


[1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2010-July/014908.html

Oddly enough in this instance, we're in a better position as there is not
hundreds of pages of lubuntu documentation. I'd like to suggest that lubuntu
will follow the main ubuntu in the document format, which will be Mallard.

Your thoughts on the subject, please.

Regards,

Phill.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Luke-Jennings ubuntujenk...@googlemail.com
Date: Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Using Mallard for Ubuntu docs
To: Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com
Cc: Manual mailing list ubuntu-man...@lists.launchpad.net, Ubuntu Doc 
ubuntu-...@lists.ubuntu.com


Hello,

On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 10:48 -0500, Jim Campbell wrote:
 Hi all,

 On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Kyle Nitzsche
 kyle.nitzs...@canonical.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 Just chiming in with my two cents for your consideration...

 Wondering how this plan coordinates with the (lofty) goal that
 was
 discussed with great enthusiasm at Maverick UDS of creating a
 common
 pool for documentation source, where the Ubuntu Manual project
 and the
 Ubuntu Docs project can house doc source material, thereby
 supporting
 common usage and enabling all the good bits that derive from
 that, such
 as single-source maintenance, reusability, higher quality
 (since errors
 need to be corrected only once), but most importantly,
 improving the
 user experience through support of remixed content into
 exciting new
 contexts.

 From what I understand, the manual team was looking to do this for
 Maverick+1.  There was much discussion initially, but things seem to
 have quieted down, at least on their mailing list.  I'm not sure what
 is going on with that project now, but I'm copying their list in hopes
 that we'll get a reply here.

 Since there is currently no docbook - mallard converter (be
 it through xslt or whatever), then that goal is made more
 problematic
 and distant, it would seem. Since this was a topic of high
 interest at
 UDS, this deserves some explicit consideration here, it would
 seem.


 With regards to docbook - mallard conversions, from my experience,
 creating topic stubs in Mallard makes it very easy to stub-out
 documentation, allowing new contributors to easily see what needs to
 be done, and to dig in.  This helps to alleviate the, Where can I
 start?  What needs to be done? question that confronts new
 contributors.  I think we'd be able to get a lot of new content fairly
 quickly using Mallard, even w/o conversion scripts.


 There were discussions previously on this list about the
 impacts
 (regressions) that conversion from docbook to mallard would
 have on
 existing Ubuntu Docs translations, namely that inline tags are
 often
 different (between docbook and mallard), which means the
 source strings
 are different, which means existing translations break. So
 that is a
 potential regression that probably should be identified up
 front with
 some kind of fact-based analysis (5% of strings, or 50%?) that
 gives
 some idea of the extent of translation regression that may
 occur, at
 least to enable Ubuntu Translators to understand what kind of
 additional
 work to expect. If much of this can be avoided by writing a
 clever
 conversion script, then that should be identified as an
 important piece
 of work, it would seem.

 Others have commented on this over the past several days.


 Also, see below...

 On 06/30/2010 11:10 AM, Phil Bull wrote:

  Hi Jim,
 
  On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 09:51 -0500, Jim Campbell wrote:
 
  So did we want to go ahead with using Mallard for this
 release of
  Ubuntu docs?  Phil, if I recall correctly, didn't you have
 a branch of
  Ubuntu docs containing page stubs from our prior release?
 
  I think we should 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Problema con el Ubuntu 10.04 en una laptop Compaq

2010-07-07 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Fransico, This being translated by google translation, so it will
probably not read quite correctly. I appreciate you have a bug but I do not
think the bug-squad can look into it, until you have registered it as bug
 using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs_es
 while that happens I'd like to suggest that you try a minimal installation
and then add the lubuntu desktop onto that. There are instructions for that
at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Minimal Install If you
would like me to run google translate over them for you, please ask.

Hi BugSquad, I've suggested something that may help, and also copied this to
the lubuntu mailing list. I'm still new at bug squad things, so please
forgive me if I have done something wrong

Regards,

Phill.

Hola Fransico, esta siendo traducido por traducción de Google, por lo que
probablemente no lea toda la razón. Le agradezco que haya un error, pero no
creo que el error de los escuadrones pueden mirar en él, hasta que se ha
registrado como fallo usando
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs_es
 mientras eso sucede me gustaría sugerir que trate de una instalación mínima
y luego añadir el escritorio lubuntu en eso. Hay instrucciones para que en
la dirección https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Minimal
Install Si me gusta correr traductor Google sobre ellos para usted, por
favor pregunte.

Hola BugSquad, he sugerido algo que puede ayudar, y copian esto a la lista
de correo lubuntu. Todavía estoy en las cosas nuevas escuadrón de errores,
así que por favor me perdone si he hecho algo mal
Un cordial saludo,

Phill.

2010/7/1 Francisco Davila pan...@mined.rimed.cu

  Saludos a todos:
 Disculpen les escriba en español pero mi ingles no es nada bueno. Deseaba
 consultarles el siguiente problema:
 Tengo una laptop Compaq Presario 1215US (40Gb disco, 320Mb RAM CPU Athlon 4
 1Ghz chiset VIA686A) a la cual necesito por situaciones de estudio
 instalarle el sistema GNU Ubuntu. Como la laptop esta algo limitada en
 recursos no utilice la instalacion grafica y opte por realizar la
 instalacion utilizando la version Alternate de Ubuntu 10.04 instalando en
 modo de linea de comando. Posteriormente instale los paquetes adecuados
 (Gnome Office, el navegador Midori, el gestor de correo Sylpheed y otras
 aplicaciones ligeras. Concluida la instalacion de los paquetes al reiniciar
 comienza la carga del sistema, pero inesperadamente la laptop se cuelga.
 El problema no ocurre siempre en el mismo punto, a veces logro llegar a la
 pantalla de login, otras veces logro incluso entrar al sistema y entonces se
 cuelga al intentar abrir cualquier programa. Repeti la instalacion varias
 veces utilizando el desktop XFCE (Xubuntu 10.04) y sucede lo mismo. Llegue a
 probar con LXDE (Lubuntu 10.04) y lo mismo. Consulte el log y en el inicio
 de la carga del sistema me aparece lo siguiente:

 [8.828369] ACPI: I/O resource vt596_smbus [0x8100-0x8107] conflicts with
 ACPI region SMIO [0x8100-0x8106]
 [8.965801] via686a :00:07.4: base adress not set - upgrade BIOS or use
 force_addr=0xaddr

 En una prueba ulterior con la base ubuntu 10.04 y el entorno lxde instalado
 (solo el paquete lxde, sin instalar el paquete de lubuntu-desktop completo)
 con algunas aplicaciones (Abiword, Gnumeric, Sylpheed y Midori) arranque en
 modo recuperacion, inicie una sesion de consola como root y cargue el
 sistema con el comando startx y todo funciona bien, puedo utilizar la laptop
 por horas sin que ocurra ningun problema. Reinicie en el modo normal y de
 nuevo se cuelga.
 Esperando puedan ayudarme gracias a todos desde ya. Saludos cordiales.
 Frank

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 Francisco Davila pan...@mined.rimed.cu 2010/7/1
Greetings to all:
Sorry I write in Spanish, but my English is not good. He wanted to consult
the following problem:
I have a Compaq Presario 1215US laptop (40GB drive, 320MB RAM 1Ghz CPU
Athlon 4 chiset via686) to which I need to study situations putting on
Ubuntu GNU system. As the laptop is somewhat limited in resources do not use
the graphical installer and choose to install using the Alternate version of
Ubuntu 4.10 installed in command line mode. Then install the appropriate
packages (Gnome Office, Midori browser, Sylpheed mail manager and other
lightweight applications. After the installation of packages when you
restart the system begins loading, but suddenly the laptop hangs. The
problem does not occur always in the same spot, sometimes made it to the
login screen, sometimes achieving even enter the system and then hangs when
trying to open any program. I repeated the installation several times using
the XFCE desktop (Xubuntu 10.04) and same thing happens . Get to try out
LXDE (Lubuntu 10.04) and the same. View the log and the start of loading of
the system I get the following:

[8.828369] ACPI: I/O resource vt596_smbus [0x8100-0x8107] 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Alpha2] Is it just me or the keyring for Lubuntu PPA is missing?

2010-07-07 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

if the lubuntu key(s) are help on the MIT.edu server ( it (they) should be),
I was told that keyserver is under far less strain than the ubuntu one. (It
has been previously mentioned in the mailing list). Just a thought that may
make life a little easier for you when you generate the iso :-)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Key Servers

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le mardi 06 juillet 2010 à 23:00 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
 
  I’m sure Julian will have a valid explanation :)

 The keys server was down when I generated the iso, this explain the
 error when you try to update.

 Not sure about the 404 error, the address seems good in the
 sources.list.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Alpha2] Is it just me or the keyring for Lubuntu PPA is missing?

2010-07-07 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi gang,

I'm sorry I'm a bit out of the loop on this one (I have the a2 iso, just
like a couple of others, have not had chance to install it). Is the current
work-around going to be:

1) wait for it to complain about the missing key when you update lubuntu
2) take a note of the key
3) use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Key Servers to get
it
4) remove the ppa from sources using Software Sources. (The gui does it
better)
5) follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Keep Lubuntu
up-to-date as if you had pre-beta3 of 10.04 (the cli does it better)

I know adding a missing key using the MIT, removing and re-adding the ppa
does work (I had a query on it in #ubuntu-beginners earlier for a different
ppa). Is this an acceptable work-round for the alpha2 ? Before anyone starts
screaming at me again about using cli - we *are *only* *on the alpha2. The
reason I'm suggesting for us to use the MIT key-server is that the ubuntu
key server is either poorly, over-worked or underpaid (or, like most of us -
all three) as there has been a few instances when it has timed out recently
reported.

If some one could confirm this is about what they did (I'm not wanting to
risk the ubuntu key-server being down as the fault is repaired, so for this
work-round I suggest we use the MIT one). I'd like to get it onto the wiki
area a.s.a.p. and confirmed for the people on the mailing list

*Checking our cd's*

If I do not hear to the contrary in the next 12 hours, I will put a cut down
version of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=94 onto the wiki
page so that people can be sent there instead of my baby forum. Please do
not get me wrong, I am very happy to have people go there; I just feel it is
more 'professional' for that to appear on the wiki. I know there are time
pressures, this should, IMHO, relieve some of it for both 10.04 and 10.10.

*IRC Title*
*
*
Once again ,can I ask whoever has OP authority for #lubuntu to alter the
title to include that documented help is available at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp It has the written stuff
and links to all the wonderful screen casts that have been done to support
lubuntu.

Regards,

Phill.


On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:19:40 +0200
 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

  Le mardi 06 juillet 2010 à 23:00 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
  
   I’m sure Julian will have a valid explanation :)
 
  The keys server was down when I generated the iso, this explain the
  error when you try to update.
 
  Not sure about the 404 error, the address seems good in the
  sources.list.
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne
 
 
 Hmm, so what is this pointing to
deb http://ppa;launchpad.net/lubuntu/ppa/ubuntu maverick main

 and there a reason for
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu lucid main

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Maverick Alpha 2

2010-07-05 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

Your wish is my command :-) it has been added.

As a hark back to the problem with the CD in 10.04 not correctly checking
itself, I do not know if you got that resolved. If not would it be okay to
add the instructions from
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=94start=0#p119 for manually
checking the iso and CD?
As I've not had time to 'play' with the 10.10 one fully, is this still a
problem? If so, Bob has kindly updated the thread at
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=94start=0#p221 .

Regards,

Phill.
P.S. Thanks Bob, for updating the thread :-)

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le dimanche 04 juillet 2010 à 23:46 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
  are you happy for the alpha2 to be added to the testing lubuntu
  section at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Test Lubuntu

 This one should be fine, you can add it to the wiki :-)

 Thanks.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Dell Mini-9 issues

2010-07-04 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Bob,

the 95% stall on install is a known 'bug'. I do not know how much RAM you
have on the Dell, but a couple of pointers that may help from this
problem...

Then a perused through the bios setting and found the setting APIC Mode
was set to Disabled. I changed it to Enabled and that seemed to do the trick

and the thread http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1473819

I've seen it noted that it can take several hours on low RAM machines to do
the final part of the cleanup.

Regards,

Phill.

On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

 I just did the alpha-2 install on my Mini-9 Netbook, and there were
 various little issues that arose.  I'm not sure what level of detail
 you want at this point, or if you want a distinct thread started for
 each issue, so I'll just quickly list some here and perhaps you could
 indicate which, if any, are of interest to pursue further?

 1 - Install went fine until it reached the 95% point of Installing
 System, running dpkg, at which point it simply stopped for about a
 half hour and then completed the install successfully.  I was almost
 ready to abort, and I suspect many people would have.

 2 - My screen was so dim that it literally wasn't usable until I
 Googled for this issue and added appropriate commands to the grub
 startup command (both during the install and for subsequent boots).

 3 - On first run of Synaptic, it reports Auto Removable items.  It
 also generates errors, when I Reload, about signatures which
 couldn't be verified.

 4 - The browser has some minor problems, but I see that there are
 already bugs filed on chromium-browser which cover those.

 I haven't had a chance to test it much.  Is there a particular test
 regimen you'd like run, or aren't we at that point quite yet?

 Regards,
 Bob

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Maverick Alpha 2

2010-07-04 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

are you happy for the alpha2 to be added to the testing lubuntu
section at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Test
Lubuntu

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Test LubuntuRegards,

Phill.

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I just generated the second alpha of Lubuntu Maverick. Like other Alpha
 2, you should be aware of those warnings :

 Pre-releases of Maverick are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a
 stable
 system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
 frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
 and
 those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs.

 We are still very early in the development, so don't expect many
 improvements and too much stability.

 How to report bugs :
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs

 Torrent:
 http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-maverick-alpha2.iso.torrent
 Download:
 http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-maverick-alpha2.iso
 Md5sum:
 http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Dell Mini-9 issues

2010-07-04 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Re: md5checksum on CD

There is a bug on testing the CD, again it has been noted and when Julien
and Ian get some time it can be looked into. - If the person who gave me the
quicker instructions rather than the one I have I will pop it onto the
wiki.
*
*

   *Next, you can burn the cd (**
   
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto*https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
   *). Once it is done, check the CD by issuing:
   *
   * * #* * #*Code:**dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=266741 | md5sum*
   *
   It should also report back **386a227968cbabc89e1a23b95035160e**. If not,
   the CD did not burn correctly.*


Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

 @Phill: Thanks.. the 95% bug I should have looked up!  If I can ever
 burn a CD (see below) I'll try the install with ethernet unplugged. :)

 @Andy: Okay, this is weird.  I did check the md5sum of the ISO I
 downloaded, but I did *not* check the CD I burned.. and I should have.

 I've now made three coasters, four counting the original one, and no
 matter what system I use to burn the CD, the file boot.cat comes out
 with the wrong md5.  It's the only error on the CD.  Neither Brasero
 nor Xfburn can put this image on a CD without screwing up that one
 file.  And neither one warns me of the error.  I wonder why it's
 always the same file?

 Anyway, my apologies.. I should have checked the CD as well as the
 ISO, obviously!  There's something I won't forget to do ever again. :)
  Now if I can just get it to burn accurately, just once, I can start
 over and hopefully things will work better.

 Regards,
 Bob

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Dell Mini-9 issues

2010-07-04 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Those instructions are solely for the 10.04 disk, if you are using a
different installation method then the check sum will be different.

If you pop over to the thread
http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=94 that gives the 10.04
release, I would need to update it for the release levels for the alphas, or
I could give you the instructions as to how to write them :p

Possibly the md5 | cdrom command may be easier for people, as it only
requires the md5 sum to check against.

Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ah, well, hmm.  I don't get the correct md5sum according to this
 method either, Phill.

 b...@ub32:~$ dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=266741 | md5sum
 0e9fac900c8288b243e875d9b1b65479  -
 266741+0 records in
 266741+0 records out
 546285568 bytes (546 MB) copied, 112.087 s, 4.9 MB/s

 So, I tried yet another approach and burned one with Nautilus as per
 the instructions.  For the first time, I got an actual error during
 the burn.  It didn't tell me what was wrong, but at least it alerted
 me to the burning error.

 Okay, I've tried to burn this on three different machines, using three
 different burning applications, and two different types of blank CDs.
 Maybe I'm not cut out for this kind of work. ;-)

 I'll download the 32-bit alternate CD, do a command-line install, and
 then apt-get the lubuntu-desktop package.  That should give me the
 same thing I'm trying to do here, right?

 Thanks!

 Regards,
 Bob

 On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
 wrote:
  dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=266741 | md5sum

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Dell Mini-9 issues

2010-07-04 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Bob,

If the CD is not burned at 4X speed, it can cause horrors. In 9.10 I could
burn at that rate, in 10.04 I cannot. As a part of these 'funnies' that
happen, one of the tech guys told me that he could not burn at 4X in 9.10
but can do in 10.04 .

I have learned to 'cheat' and use CD-RW's or DVD-RW's which keeps the burn
speed down.

Oh, and I've used brassero etc., it seems to be a kernel issue but one that
is really hard to nail down.

Regards,

Phill.
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

 Sure, I can write up a version for Maverick, as soon as I understand
 what's actually happening with the whole process.  I mean, I took
 Andy's advice and made a bootable USB stick instead (much faster than
 the CD.. glad I learned about that) but I still don't know why the CD
 burn process is causing errors, etc.

 On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
 wrote:
  Those instructions are solely for the 10.04 disk, if you are using a
  different installation method then the check sum will be different.
  If you pop over to the
  thread http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=94 that gives the
 10.04
  release, I would need to update it for the release levels for the alphas,
 or
  I could give you the instructions as to how to write them :p
  Possibly the md5 | cdrom command may be easier for people, as it only
  requires the md5 sum to check against.
  Regards,
  Phill.
 
  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Bob Trevithick 
 bob.trevith...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Ah, well, hmm.  I don't get the correct md5sum according to this
  method either, Phill.
 
  b...@ub32:~$ dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=266741 | md5sum
  0e9fac900c8288b243e875d9b1b65479  -
  266741+0 records in
  266741+0 records out
  546285568 bytes (546 MB) copied, 112.087 s, 4.9 MB/s
 
  So, I tried yet another approach and burned one with Nautilus as per
  the instructions.  For the first time, I got an actual error during
  the burn.  It didn't tell me what was wrong, but at least it alerted
  me to the burning error.
 
  Okay, I've tried to burn this on three different machines, using three
  different burning applications, and two different types of blank CDs.
  Maybe I'm not cut out for this kind of work. ;-)
 
  I'll download the 32-bit alternate CD, do a command-line install, and
  then apt-get the lubuntu-desktop package.  That should give me the
  same thing I'm trying to do here, right?
 
  Thanks!
 
  Regards,
  Bob
 
  On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
  wrote:
   dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=266741 | md5sum
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Dell Mini-9 issues

2010-07-04 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Bob,

does the iso that you are using pass the md5?

If you're using the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Download Lubuntu then I
can ask as to how the iso burns to a usb with checking the md5.

Regards,

Phill.

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

 Okay, I'll try to wrap my head around the whole problem and see if I
 can write it up coherently.. after a bit of sleep. :)

 In the meantime, with the USB install, I have the same issues I noted
 in my opening post.. and looking at the USB stick I notice that the
 boot.cat file still has the wrong md5sum (if that's relevant.)  So, my
 initial post still stands if any of those things are of interest at
 the moment.

 Tomorrow I'll see precisely what it takes to overcome the dim display
 problem.  And I have to sort out wireless and a few other things.  Let
 me know, please, what would be most useful to you folks at this stage.

 Night,
 Bob

 On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
 wrote:
  Hi Bob,
  If the CD is not burned at 4X speed, it can cause horrors. In 9.10 I
 could
  burn at that rate, in 10.04 I cannot. As a part of these 'funnies' that
  happen, one of the tech guys told me that he could not burn at 4X in 9.10
  but can do in 10.04 .
  I have learned to 'cheat' and use CD-RW's or DVD-RW's which keeps the
 burn
  speed down.
 
  Oh, and I've used brassero etc., it seems to be a kernel issue but one
 that
  is really hard to nail down.
  Regards,
  Phill.
  On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  Sure, I can write up a version for Maverick, as soon as I understand
  what's actually happening with the whole process.  I mean, I took
  Andy's advice and made a bootable USB stick instead (much faster than
  the CD.. glad I learned about that) but I still don't know why the CD
  burn process is causing errors, etc.
 
  On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
  wrote:
   Those instructions are solely for the 10.04 disk, if you are using a
   different installation method then the check sum will be different.
   If you pop over to the
   thread http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=94 that gives the
   10.04
   release, I would need to update it for the release levels for the
   alphas, or
   I could give you the instructions as to how to write them :p
   Possibly the md5 | cdrom command may be easier for people, as it only
   requires the md5 sum to check against.
   Regards,
   Phill.
  
   On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Bob Trevithick
   bob.trevith...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   Ah, well, hmm.  I don't get the correct md5sum according to this
   method either, Phill.
  
   b...@ub32:~$ dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=266741 | md5sum
   0e9fac900c8288b243e875d9b1b65479  -
   266741+0 records in
   266741+0 records out
   546285568 bytes (546 MB) copied, 112.087 s, 4.9 MB/s
  
   So, I tried yet another approach and burned one with Nautilus as per
   the instructions.  For the first time, I got an actual error during
   the burn.  It didn't tell me what was wrong, but at least it alerted
   me to the burning error.
  
   Okay, I've tried to burn this on three different machines, using
 three
   different burning applications, and two different types of blank CDs.
   Maybe I'm not cut out for this kind of work. ;-)
  
   I'll download the 32-bit alternate CD, do a command-line install, and
   then apt-get the lubuntu-desktop package.  That should give me the
   same thing I'm trying to do here, right?
  
   Thanks!
  
   Regards,
   Bob
  
   On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
 
   wrote:
dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=266741 | md5sum
  
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Using Mallard for Ubuntu docs

2010-07-01 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,
as one who does not use gnome, my little two cents worth is that
instructions should not be tied 100% to gnome. Whilst the vast majority use
'vanilla' ubuntu, there are other flavours. As ubuntu is ubuntu, should we
be as aware of that as we are translations?
Xubuntu, Kubuntu etc. Each of the flavours has translation teams and I'm
sure some translators work on more than one flavour, the 'base' installation
documents need to cover all that is common (grub, kernel etc) after that how
does for example, the chromium browser team from ubuntu work with those from
kde work with xfce, work with lxde etc ? I've seen some excellent wiki pages
that put in the difference between gksudo and kdesu. One easy example for
lubuntu (allbeit not a fully fledged ubuntu yet) is that it would be leafpad
and not gedit that is the shipped programme for people to do that lower
level of editing with.

Regards,

Phill.


On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Kyle Nitzsche
kyle.nitzs...@canonical.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 Just chiming in with my two cents for your consideration...

 Wondering how this plan coordinates with the (lofty) goal that was
 discussed with great enthusiasm at Maverick UDS of creating a common
 pool for documentation source, where the Ubuntu Manual project and the
 Ubuntu Docs project can house doc source material, thereby supporting
 common usage and enabling all the good bits that derive from that, such
 as single-source maintenance, reusability, higher quality (since errors
 need to be corrected only once), but most importantly, improving the
 user experience through support of remixed content into exciting new
 contexts. Since there is currently no docbook - mallard converter (be
 it through xslt or whatever), then that goal is made more problematic
 and distant, it would seem. Since this was a topic of high interest at
 UDS, this deserves some explicit consideration here, it would seem.

 There were discussions previously on this list about the impacts
 (regressions) that conversion from docbook to mallard would have on
 existing Ubuntu Docs translations, namely that inline tags are often
 different (between docbook and mallard), which means the source strings
 are different, which means existing translations break. So that is a
 potential regression that probably should be identified up front with
 some kind of fact-based analysis (5% of strings, or 50%?) that gives
 some idea of the extent of translation regression that may occur, at
 least to enable Ubuntu Translators to understand what kind of additional
 work to expect. If much of this can be avoided by writing a clever
 conversion script, then that should be identified as an important piece
 of work, it would seem.

 Also, see below...

 On 06/30/2010 11:10 AM, Phil Bull wrote:
  Hi Jim,
 
  On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 09:51 -0500, Jim Campbell wrote:
 
  So did we want to go ahead with using Mallard for this release of
  Ubuntu docs?  Phil, if I recall correctly, didn't you have a branch of
  Ubuntu docs containing page stubs from our prior release?
 
  I think we should go ahead with the Mallard conversion. I looked around
  for a branch containing stubs, but I didn't find one. Who knows what I
  did with it?
 
  Ideally, we would coordinate with the GNOME doc team; we should slot our
  docs into their Desktop Help. That's in a very early stage of
  development at the moment, though. For now, we should probably just
  identify clearly Ubuntu-specific areas of our own docs and convert
  those.
 
 
 The Ubuntu desktop experience is sometimes different from a pure Gnome
 one, at least until Ubuntu innovations like notifications, window
 buttons, and panel items like networking, about me, and power management
 are adopted in gnome (I think I got that list right...). So this idea of
 slotting in of ubuntu docs into gnome docs may result in two
 explanations in such areas: if on Gnome, it's like this, if on Ubuntu,
 like this, which seems less than ideal. I continue to wonder whether it
 makes more sense to have an Ubuntu Docs framework that slots in gnome
 docs as appropriate, which, I realize, is how it is currently done.
 There is no technical barrier to including mallard content in docbook
 source that I know of.

  It would be helpful to convert all of the existing DocBook into plain
  text first. I find that much easier to deal with when doing a
  conversion. I'll set-up a branch with Mallard .page stubs and dump the
  text-only topics into the .page files. That should provide a good
  starting point.
 
  To help the process along, would anyone be interested in a Mallard
  training session on IRC?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Phil
 
 
 Cheers,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] put back task bar(Window List) lxde

2010-06-30 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi andy,

not only does it not work, but it does not work quite badly... As I did have
to test it.

Any one got any ideas as to how to rescue this?

thanks,

Phill.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Thanks Andy,

 I just have to wait for the OP to come back on.

 Thanks,

 Phill.


 On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Right click the panel - properties (or edit panel). You will then see a
 dialogue like this:
 http://lxde.sourceforge.net/screenshots/lxpanel_pref.png

 You can then readd the task bar (window list) item

 all done


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 Hi,

 well, it had to happen :-)

 Remove Task Bar (Windows List) From Panel

 Once someone has done that, how do they get it back? (I'm too big a
 coward to try that on my system, so it's possibly one for the devs)

 Thanks,
 Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-29 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Ahh, I was not aware of that, in gmail I just use Reply to All, but I do
understand some of you dislike Gmail ;-)

(No Flaming me, I'm just getting the education version set up !!! - lol)

Regards,

Phill.

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 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:13:33 +0100, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:



 ps: It has been mentioned before, but may I suggest the administrator of
 this mailing list add a mechanism so that replies of messages will
 automatically send to 'lubuntu-desk...@launchpad.net' rather than to the
 author? Something along the line of 'reply-to'?   Thanks.


  I agree, as not all mail clients have a 'reply-to-list' option, and even
 those that do don’t always spot the list address.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-27 Thread Phillip Whiteside
hi Goh,

yes, there is, it is *not* a dell issue, as is clearly explained, also the
work around for a bug that one of the devs
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435/comments/6  says
is not fully tested, the consensus of those who are dealing with problems
over at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 is still to use
still to use  dpkg-reconfigure and not apt-get etc.

I'm awaiting the guy who writes up a lot of documentation that we mere
mortals use to refer to in order to have a chat with him, I have a strong
sense that he will also shrug his shoulders and say that the grub team have
messed up (again) and to continue to use the dpkg-reconfigure option. I
recall that grub2 came out and totally broke RAID support. They have been
playing catch up ever since. Given the chance, I'd use burg as it is more
pro-active and re-active to problems.

I really do not know why we are arguing over this? Grub 2 can cause major
problems when there is more than one hard disk involved - that is beyond
dispute. In 9.10 it cannot support RAID, with 10.04 we got a newer version
that gave some RAID support, but they would not back port it, when 10.04
came out it had a big fall out with Win7. - that is still a 'work around'.

Such a basic part of *nix should not need 'work-arounds', n00bs will not
that there is one - It must be sorted out.

Should not we be trying to help the OP, it is quite evident there is a
problem and people get annoyed over having their computer in a non booting
mode? Regardless of any sleek looking graphics, let us not fall into the
trap that Microsoft did with Service Pack 2 for XP. When we do tempt people
over to *nix, if their first introduction to it is a broken system they will
not only never come back, they will tell everyone that *nix breaks
computers. That is not acceptable, we are in the hands of the Grub people -
so people should complain there and we should ensure that people asking why
lubuntu does not work in such situations are clearly told that it is not a
fault of lubuntu.

Regards,

Phill.

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:

 On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:12:35 +0100
 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Goh,
 
  I'm not quite sure how to explain this to you?
 
  Rule #1 You install *buntu it works, if it does not work it does not
  break anything.
 
  At present it can totally break things. There is no point arguing
  over it, just go see the forum area for people for whom it has broken
  there is no point saying that it is does not, as there are a lot of
  people saying that it does.
 
  The problems with grub2 and Win7 were bad enough under the 'older'
  grub2. You do not seem to have read through that thread fully
 
  some links to read,

 Phillip, have read your links above. To add, there are some problems
 not in your links related to Dell's recovery system, raid, lvm and
 others...but not to denigrate your specific issue which is the
 failure to install by install grub-pc and you have found
 success by sudo apt-get install grub-pc;  yes, you're right, I cannot
 see the point arguing that it should just work with install grub-pc
 and not just sudo apt-get install grub-pc. You do not seem to have
 read how to use 'sudo' and 'apt-get' rather than understanding how to
 install grub.

 Are there any more specific issues with grub you like to bring up
 rather than saying I haven't read fully?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium Flash

2010-06-27 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi gang,

I know the chromium team are working on in-built flash support, until that
happens and lubuntu ships it, can I pop on the instructions from
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
over
onto the wiki help area, i'm guessing 'Advanced Users' would be the place
for it.

First you need to make sure you have installed chromium browser

Now you need to install flash using the following command

sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree

Now you need to copy libflashplayer.so file into
/usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins directory

sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
/usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

Now you can run the chromium browser using the following command from
terminal

chromium-browser --enable-plugins

to test it, to keep that setting,

Go to  the menu, select Internet -- and right click on Chromium Browser,
select Properties and change where it says 'command'

from

chromium-browser %U

to

chromium-browser -- enable-plugins %U

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] FW: Another interesting music player

2010-06-27 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

I'm not quite sure how I got involved in this thread but
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1503749 does tell me something more
that deadbeef can do, heck I'm really impressed  :-)

I do recall one of the provisos for using a programme is that it be in the
ubuntu repo's - How does one go about getting a programme into the repo? I
know I will need to contact the author, but I would need to let him know
what ubuntu requires and ask if he / she wants to proceed.

Regards,

Phill.

On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Glenn de Groot
glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Xnoise just got a ppa:

 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/xnoise-media-player-gets-ppa-new.html


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium Flash

2010-06-27 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

Okay, I can leave that bit out, it is just I know that set of instructions
work so am not to blame if it does not work for the next peron ;-)

Regards,

Phill.


On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:04:08 +0100
 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Hi gang,
 
  I know the chromium team are working on in-built flash support, until
  that happens and lubuntu ships it, can I pop on the instructions from
 
 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
  over
  onto the wiki help area, i'm guessing 'Advanced Users' would be the
  place for it.
 
  First you need to make sure you have installed chromium browser
 
  Now you need to install flash using the following command
 
  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
 
  Now you need to copy libflashplayer.so file into
  /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins directory
 
  sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
  /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

 I don't think it's necessary to copy the .so file around. Chromium
 automatically searches in the mozilla plugins' directories as
 well.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-26 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Mario,

there have been issues with grub and multiple hard drives, this affects all
ubuntu's (and also debian). There is a bug fix out, but that had not been
fully signed off (see Colin Watsons own comments).

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435The solution
/work around does seem to be the one currently advised.

OK, . it appears that having run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and making
the proper selections results in defaulting to the proper behaviour

I will however try some different scenarios as time allows, and hopefully we
can all monitor the behavior as development proceeds.

So, if this behavior stands as-is, I'd guess reinstalling grub 2 needs to
be done with dpkg-reconfigure rather than grub-install to ensure that
the preferred behavior is saved as default.

That certainly seems simple enough.

I suggest you have a read of that bug report and try what it suggests. If
you still have a problem, then have a read on
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=333 You are not alone, feel free
to post on there some of the guys are quite skilled in sorting this problem
out.

Regards,

Phill.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Mario Behling m...@mariobehling.de wrote:

 Dear all,

 forwarded a bug report below.

 Best,

 Mario

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Abnormal Terminate(R) abnormal...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:35 AM
 Subject: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)
 To: Mario Behling m...@mariobehling.de


 Hi!
 I cannot create Bug Report, because it I put it here...
 Environment:
 1. Using a PC, who can be uses an USB external HDD or SSD (and can be
 mounted as sdb device).
 2. Install Lubuntu from CD to this USB HDD (as variant, install to SDHD
 Flash Card, plugged into PCs CardReader), mounted as sdb1.
 3. Using Parted Editing manually, and put / for all device space
 without swap.
 Result of Install Lubuntu:
 1. After normally ended Installation Process, my PC has the MBR on FIRST
 HDD (!!!), but I _use not_ this device for installation Lubintu, not use
 it completely!
 2. On my PC cannot be starts none PS' File Systems without having as
 plugged External Devices because MBD find it and stooped without this
 External HDD or SDD. It has black screen only and display Diagnostic
 Message on this situation.
 Resume:
 It's stupidly situation. And who is this developer, who wrote a code for
 use as default FIRST HDD (mounted as sda) for put MBR, but loading Grub
 from SECOND HDD (mounted as sdb), if the User set up as work (loadable)
 Device SECOND HDD or other device?!
 And Setup absolutely have not any position for user's choosing about a
 Device, who can be uses as place for the Master Boot Record...
 It is absolutely abnormal situation, IMHO.
 For example, Ubuntu (or Xbuntu) Installer has an option for choosing a
 place for create MBR with choosing place for Grub too.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] put back task bar(Window List) lxde

2010-06-26 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

well, it had to happen :-)

Remove Task Bar (Windows List) From Panel

Once someone has done that, how do they get it back? (I'm too big a coward
to try that on my system, so it's possibly one for the devs)

Thanks,
Phill.
it reminds me of the Do NOT remove network manager warning I see on the
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] put back task bar(Window List) lxde

2010-06-26 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Thanks Andy,

I just have to wait for the OP to come back on.

Thanks,

Phill.

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Right click the panel - properties (or edit panel). You will then see a
 dialogue like this:
 http://lxde.sourceforge.net/screenshots/lxpanel_pref.png

 You can then readd the task bar (window list) item

 all done


 On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Hi,

 well, it had to happen :-)

 Remove Task Bar (Windows List) From Panel

 Once someone has done that, how do they get it back? (I'm too big a coward
 to try that on my system, so it's possibly one for the devs)

 Thanks,
 Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-26 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Goh,

I'm not quite sure how to explain this to you?

Rule #1 You install *buntu it works, if it does not work it does not break
anything.

At present it can totally break things. There is no point arguing over it,
just go see the forum area for people for whom it has broken there is no
point saying that it is does not, as there are a lot of people saying that
it does.

The problems with grub2 and Win7 were bad enough under the 'older' grub2.
You do not seem to have read through that thread fully

some links to read,
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/576724

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2010/06/21#2010-06-21-grub2-boot-problems

and, of course http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9502020postcount=16

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9502020postcount=16At which point
did you detached from end user reality

Goh, I really suggest you keep on track with the thread on the maverick
discussion thread, because unless lubuntu ditches grub for burg, (which we
cannot do) we are stuck with what the devs for grub enforce upon us.

Regards,
Phill.

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:

 On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:57:05 +0700
 Quynh Vu Do vdqu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,
 
  2010/6/27 Goh Lip g@gmx.com
 
   On 06/27/2010 01:57 AM, Mario Behling wrote:
  
   Dear all,
  
   forwarded a bug report below.
  
   Best,
  
   Mario
  
  
  
  
   1. After normally ended Installation Process, my PC has the MBR on
   FIRST HDD (!!!), but I _use not_ this device for installation
   Lubintu, not use it completely!
   2. On my PC cannot be starts none PS' File Systems without having
   as plugged External Devices because MBD find it and stooped
   without this External HDD or SDD. It has black screen only and
   display Diagnostic Message on this situation.
  
  
   Mario, did not see the OP (abnormal) post on this list. But from
   what I gather, he has installed the grub to the external disk.
   Naturally, there is no way the system be able to boot this up.
  
  
  It's the contray I think.
 
  This is a common mistake when you install Ubuntu to a USB device
  because by default Grub is installed to the first hard disk
  (/dev/sda). Ont he last screen of the installation process you need
  to click on the Advanced button and select the place where Grub
  should be installed and -in case of installation to an USB drive, you
  should choose that USB drive (eg /dev/sdb). In this case you can use
  that USB device to boot any computer. Failing to do that (i.e. using
  the default of /dev/sda), you'll need the USB device plugged in the
  computer for Grub to start (otherwise it will display an error). You
  can of course re-install Grub on the first hard disk if you want to
  get rid of the necessity to have the USB device plugged in in order
  to boot the computer from the (internal) first hard disk.
 
  I learned this from several mistakes in the past.
 
  I also read somewhere that it's safer to disconnect the internal hard
  drive before installing to a USB device so that you don't get mixed
  between hard disks.
 
  Regards
 
  --
  Vu Do Quynh (M.)
  Hanoi, Vietnam


 Quynh, first, please read my post on the Lubuntu mailing list.

 http://www.mail-archive.com/lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net/msg01347.html

 I understand what you say and I know it is a very common issue with
 people installing OS on the thumb. I add this is more a problem with
 grub legacy as the (hd0,x) and /dev/sdax will change with every boot -
 the change effected by the bios, not the OS.It is less a problem with
 grub2 as the boot searches for uuid.

 However, if the grub is installed at the external drive, and in my
 opinion, is a fatal thing to do, there is every possibility of the
 system not booting up.

 Also, the existence of a bug report does not imply there is anything
 intrinsically wrong with it, but could be the result of the
 implementation of the installation, in this case, the setting up of the
 grub of the external disk to the mbr (sda, in our lingo) of the hard
 disk. Again, this must not be done and the fault, if we can call it
 that, of the developers, is to enable it by default. But then, how can
 the system recognize that the grub is from the external and not the
 hard disk and that should be the default if setting grub of a hard disk
 partition? So to call the developers stupid is in my mind, unjustified,
 crass and stupid in itself. Not understanding the way it works is no
 justification for rudeness, and even then, if the developers have
 indeed make a mistake, and they will, it is bad behaviour of any
 culture to be rude.

 Quynh, if there is any specific thing you want to bring up after
 reading my post, please feel free to address it. As of this message, I
 do not see any thing specific to address.

 Regards - Goh Lip

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] FW: Another interesting music player

2010-06-23 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,
My only enquiry for that would be what resources gnome-mplayer needs to play
background music / streamed radio stations versus what DeadBeef uses? (I
love music while I work :-) )

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le jeudi 24 juin 2010 à 00:13 +0300, Andrew a écrit :
  I just love DeadBeef... I only miss one thing: being able to import
  playlists form other music players. Xnoise is interesting because it
  can play videos too and from what I've read, Ubuntu is targeting a
  media player such as Banshee (it's being considered to be made default
  for UNE sometime) because it can play both music and video files. And
  that does make sense: a media player instead of both a video and a
  music player.

 Someone suggested this to me : keep only a video player which plays
 music and drop the music player. And I must admit that the option is a
 valid one. gnome-mplayer can do all the job.
 Another (bad) example, Windows have only a media player, not a video +
 music player.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] FW: Another interesting music player

2010-06-23 Thread Phillip Whiteside
As ever, pcman, a good point. Yeah, we *need *to keep a music player. I like
DeadBeef, it's low resource usage means that my laptop hardly knows it is
running :-)

Regards,

Phill.



On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:19 PM, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 1. Given you have proper codecs and audio libs installed for mplayer,
 adding a music player won't bring many addiional dependencies since
 they are already there.
 2. Usability matters. If you consider user interface, gnome-mplayer is
 a nice video player but it's really a bad music player. It's even
 difficult for the users to find that gnome-mplayer actually plays
 music.
 3. Playing music and video are quite different things.  The focus of
 video player is smooth image processing, and the focus of music player
 should be playlists management. It's quite often that you have more
 than 100 songs in playlist, but normally you won't put 100 video files
 in play queue and play them one by one. Music player and video player
 are totally for different purpose.
 4. If someone still remember, winamp 5, the famous music player on
 Windows in the past tried to support video playback, but do people use
 it? It's still mostly used as music player.

 Unless your goal is something that can fit 100 mb cd, I think that
 removing music player is not a valid approach to a desktop focusing on
 usability.

 On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
  Le jeudi 24 juin 2010 à 00:13 +0300, Andrew a écrit :
  I just love DeadBeef... I only miss one thing: being able to import
  playlists form other music players. Xnoise is interesting because it
  can play videos too and from what I've read, Ubuntu is targeting a
  media player such as Banshee (it's being considered to be made default
  for UNE sometime) because it can play both music and video files. And
  that does make sense: a media player instead of both a video and a
  music player.
 
  Someone suggested this to me : keep only a video player which plays
  music and drop the music player. And I must admit that the option is a
  valid one. gnome-mplayer can do all the job.
  Another (bad) example, Windows have only a media player, not a video +
  music player.
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne
 
 
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[Lubuntu-desktop] key error

2010-06-23 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi gang,

I have an OP on with a problem, the pastebin is due to expire, so I include
it at the bottom. Any ideas?

(23:26:47) xsaiddx: hello guys
(23:26:55) *gilir left the room (quit: Quit: Ex-Chat).*
(23:27:31) xsaiddx: how can i keep lubuntu updated cus i keep gettin those
updates of ubuntu
(23:29:43) phillw: hi xsaiddx, one moment, i'll go get the link
(23:30:06) xsaiddx: phillw: okies : D
(23:30:28) phillw: xsaiddx:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Keep%20Lubuntu%20up-to-date
(23:31:45) xsaiddx: yeh i did that and when i push update via synaptic it
gives me some errors
(23:31:53) *vitium1 [~starc...@81-86-175-58.dsl.pipex.com] entered the room.
*
(23:31:54) phillw: what errors?
(23:32:00) xsaiddx: and can i take of those lines in the source list of
ubuntu
(23:32:06) xsaiddx: hang on
(23:32:43) *vitium left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 245 seconds).*
(23:34:52) xsaiddx: its error GPG http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release:
cant verify those signatues cus the public key its unavailable
(23:36:17) xsaiddx: signatures beacause the public key its unavailable
(23:36:44) phillw: xsaiddx: can you try this from a terminal and let me know
what it says
(23:36:46) phillw: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
(23:37:33) xsaiddx: did it just now and can i take off those lines fo ubuntu
??
(23:37:45) xsaiddx: in the source-list file ?
(23:38:35) xsaiddx: is gives me this and sumthin else gpgkeys: HTTP fetch
error 7: couldn't connect to host
(23:39:15) phillw: I'm not sure what you have in your listing to be checked,
that command will give you the lubuntu one, I've seen that error before when
one of the servers for updates has been down.
(23:40:30) xsaiddx: ahh and can i give you my source list file ??
(23:40:52) phillw: how familiar are you with the terminal?
(23:41:52) xsaiddx: and i kno the basic commandes tho
(23:42:16) xsaiddx: why?
(23:43:55) phillw: there is a thread on such things happening, take a look
at it and see if it is what you are seeing
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1221323.html
(23:44:12) phillw: If that is not it, I will look for another thread
(23:44:19) xsaiddx: ok thanks
(23:49:14) xsaiddx: i ead that i have to put the key into this commande but
idont kno how sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys
XXkeyIDX
(23:49:22) xsaiddx: i read
(23:51:32) xsaiddx: phillw: hello you there ?
(23:51:43) ***phillw back
(23:51:56) xsaiddx: wb
(23:52:19) phillw: do you see which key is failing?
(23:52:33) xsaiddx: yess
(23:53:26) xsaiddx: here NO_PUBKEY ACC3E225CF57B0F4
(23:53:39) xsaiddx: but how ican type it in hexadecimal
(23:53:41) phillw: okies,
(23:53:51) phillw: it is already in hex :-)
(23:54:14) xsaiddx: :ZzZz
(23:54:16) phillw: give me a moment to get the exact command for you
(23:54:21) xsaiddx: ok
(23:54:54) *n00bomatic2 left the room.*
(23:55:06) phillw: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver
keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
(23:55:24) ***phillw crosses fingers
(23:55:43) *n00bomatic [~cyp...@g227070039.adsl.alicedsl.de] entered the
room.*
(23:56:05) xsaiddx: shud i replace ubuntu with lubuntu ??
(23:56:46) xsaiddx: phillw: shud i replace ubuntu with lubuntu ??
(23:57:00) phillw: xsaiddx: can you post up your full version of
(23:57:02) phillw: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release:
The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
available: NO_PUBKEY 60D11217247D1CFF
(23:57:48) phillw: the whole line is what i need from you.
(23:58:19) xsaiddx: ok ill past to you the hole mesage but its french and we
ll tanslate
(23:58:53) xsaiddx: phillw: W: Erreur GPG?: http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid
Release: Les signatures suivantes n'ont pas pu ?tre v?rifi?es car la cl?
publique n'est pas disponible?: NO_PUBKEY ACC3E225CF57B0F4
(23:59:37) xsaiddx: these signaturs coudnl be veified cus the public key its
not available
(23:59:38) phillw: the command should work
(23:59:47) phillw: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver
keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
(23:59:53) xsaiddx: k
(24/06/10 00:00:01) *sixpack75 left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264
seconds).*
(00:00:13) phillw: you are requesting a key from the key server.
(00:01:14) xsaiddx: well now i have to add a epotsity of lubuntu right then
update ?
(00:01:45) phillw: how did you install lubuntu?
(00:02:22) *Al2 [...@164.108.231.222.megaegg.ne.jp] entered the room.*
(00:02:22) xsaiddx: i was on ubuntu then installed the meta package
lubuntu-desktop
(00:04:00) phillw: ahh,. you need to follow
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install%20Lubuntu%20from%20Ubuntu%20or%20any%20Ubuntu%20flavors
(00:04:16) phillw: you would have gotten out dated stuff
(00:04:23) *Al1 left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 260 seconds).*
(00:05:04) xsaiddx: okay il try it
(00:05:24) phillw: those instructions do work
(00:06:29) xsaiddx: yeh well i tried in lil whole but it takes much time
then failed
(00:07:07) xsaiddx: in lil while ago but ..

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu cpu scaling....

2010-06-22 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Bob,

I don't have a dual core, can you have a look through the instructions, feel
free to post it up as Dual Core work in progress on the baby area and
leave a note on it to say you're still working on it. As I do not have dual
core, I can not give any input at all. I'm sure Adam will be happy to chat
with you over it.


Cheers,

Phill.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well, with my old AMD 3800+ X2, I have three steps: 1G, 1.8G and 2G.
 I got a very similar output to the OP's when I installed cpufreqd:

  current CPU frequency is 1000 MHz.
   cpufreq stats: 2.00 GHz:6.49%, 1.80 GHz:0.40%, 1000 MHz:93.11%  (394)

 I tried setting it to performance and got the expected 2G all the
 time.  It appears to default to ondemand which is, I think, the best
 default in general.

 Without cpufreqd installed, everything indicates that I'm running at
 1G almost all the time, which is what I would expect.  It will only
 kick in the warp engines when there's a real need to do so.

 Having said that, I'm not sure I see any problem.  It seems to be
 handling my AMD in just the way I prefer, and allows me to modify it.

 If there's something specific I should try to help test this, let me know.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu cpu scaling....

2010-06-22 Thread Phillip Whiteside
hi Steve,

you can edit here http://pastebin.com/fqZyA04Z or if you have signed up for
the C-o-C I will gladly give you mod privaleges on the baby forum. I do
recall you saying we need to increase the number of screens for the cube to
work? Oh, and I got ragged over doing 'sudo reboot' Linux does not need such
things for alterations of the system, Gee, they are strict ;-)

Thanks,

Phill.



On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:12:41 +0100
 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Hi good people, those with such machines,
 

 
  I'd also appreciate the solution to
  http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=101 which was mentioned on
 the
  mailing list, but told that it needs more (That solution was from a dev,
 so
  it needs making into what we mere humans would understand).
 
 sudo apt-get install compiz
 sudo reboot

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default

2010-06-20 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Bob,

there are certainly people out there with 256K RAM machines,

OPanyone here? ;d
Me hoyas
Me  catching up with emails. Can I help ?
OP nah, I just want to tell how happy I am that someone is doing a ubuntu
for old computers
Me thanks for popping on and saying so. The small team has really pulled
something out of the hat with Lubuntu
OP keep on great work
OP I have tested so many linux distros to work on my old notebook with only
160MB of rma

I know from people giving me feed-back on the minimal installation
instructions that more people than you may think are totally reliant on
lubuntu to let them have an up to date system. In fact, they'd *love* to
have 256K RAM ;-)

I do know what you mean about some people thinking we are 'under selling'
lubuntu, a lot of that may be quite deliberate to keep the maddening hoards
from over whelming the small team while they get the various niggles sorted
;-) The general word on lubuntu is good, and it will get better. Slimline,
mean and keen - long may it remain that way. Let loonies like me put on LAMP
server's and GIMP on to it, they certainly are not required for the vast
majority of users.

Regards,

Phill.

 I don't think there are many people out there with 256K
 machines anymore.  I would expect the low-end machines to be the ones
 that were mainstream 3-5 years ago.. so figure at least 1 GHz and 1G
 of memory.  But maybe I'm all wet. :)

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu standard Theme

2010-06-18 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,
Then how would I know which distro I was running? As I multi-boot between
the various flavours (ubuntu  lubuntu) and releases (stable  testing),
easily knowing which one I'm on by them having different desk-tops is a real
plus for me :-)

Regards,
Phill.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Max max...@email.it wrote:

 i know that all derivated distros out of there are using customized themes.

 personally i think that creating a integrated desktop experience is not so
 simple. ubuntu spends much efforts to customize his desktop.
 so... why not simply use the 'normal' ubuntu theme?

 this will lead also to simplify the life of all persons that use ubuntu on
 their desktops and love the ubuntu theme (like me), and use lubuntu on their
 netbook: installing the ubuntu theme and wallpaper is not so difficult
 but to find a matching openbox theme is not so simple :)

 another little improvement could be to let the user to manage the lxdm
 theme from lxappearence.

 Max Franco

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Download Mirrors

2010-06-16 Thread Phillip Whiteside
HI,

I got an email from Linux Questions this morning telling me that they host a
lot of iso's. Lubuntu 10.04 is one of them, is it worth adding to the wiki?
The link is http://iso.linuxquestions.org/lubuntu/lubuntu-10.04/

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 1 PAE Kernel

2010-06-14 Thread Phillip Whiteside
hi Steve,

as of 10.04

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx)
Both the CD and DVD installer of Ubuntu 10.04 automatically installs the PAE
enabled kernel if it detects more than 3 Gb of available memory. In the case
of the liveCD, a working network connection is required, since the PAE
enabled kernel packages are not present on the CD.

I've just asked on #ubuntu+1

(22:50:28) phillw: hi folks, with 10.10 is the pae kernel for 32 bit going
to be the default?
(23:00:33) xx: phillw: It is already.
(23:01:25) xx: phillw: provided you have 3GB+ of available memory, and a
internet connection to download it automatically.

I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I will test this out on my 1Gb laptop,
hopefully others will be able to respond before I get it installed.

Oh, and from having had a hunt around, it also seems that dropping i586
support is causing some ripples

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/587186


Regards,
Phill.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Got 10.10 installed and running and noticed that the 32 PAE kernel is
 installed as default. Is this an Ubuntu thing or waht?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Alpha 1 PAE Kernel

2010-06-14 Thread Phillip Whiteside
-- Forwarded message --
From: Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
Date: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 1 PAE Kernel
To: Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com


lol,

I've not got the link still up, but it does seem to have been a request from
OEM's that ubuntu kernel now detects 3+GB RAM as default with 10.10, instead
of requiring an internet link up to do so, from what I saw, the PAE is now
the default. This may also be part of the dropping pre i686 chipsets, I
guess you can dig through the UDS blogs to get more information (that's
where I got my snippets). Whilst this is more appilcable to 'ubuntu', for
the small over head it does kinda make sense for them to switch to it as the
default. As to row with i585, I guess that's down to how many people scream
and shout.

Regards,

Phill.


On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:09:31 +0100
 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  hi Steve,
 
  as of 10.04
 
  Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx)
  Both the CD and DVD installer of Ubuntu 10.04 automatically installs the
 PAE
  enabled kernel if it detects more than 3 Gb of available memory. In the
 case
  of the liveCD, a working network connection is required, since the PAE
  enabled kernel packages are not present on the CD.
 
  I've just asked on #ubuntu+1
 
  (22:50:28) phillw: hi folks, with 10.10 is the pae kernel for 32 bit
 going
  to be the default?
  (23:00:33) xx: phillw: It is already.
  (23:01:25) xx: phillw: provided you have 3GB+ of available memory,
 and a
  internet connection to download it automatically.
 
 Hmm. I’ll have to have a look in the machine to see where the other 2.36GiB
 of RAM are hiding :D


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Maverick Alpha 1

2010-06-14 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,

as Julien says, Meerkat *will* get broken, can people please make a point of
keeping http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=385 on their bookmarks?
The X issue was, and is, flagged up on the 'stickies' area
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1503555 It is  not as if it was a
surprise ;-)

On that sub forum area you will also be able to see just what the devs are
planning to break, and what they have broken. If they break something real
bad someone will pop on and give us a work-around. Apart from that, they
keep well clear ;-)

That's why I run the dev version of ubuntu and lubuntu it's easier to see if
it is a lubuntu problem, or something in the main package.

Regards,

Phill.

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Also, I just see that if I try the CD in Virtualbox, without action, it
 failed. But if you cancel the boot, and switching to the classic menu
 (With Try Lubuntu, Install Lubuntu etc ..), it's working.


 I guess it's the nature of the alpha that we each experience things
 differently. I tried the above approach, but X never started. There was just
 a constant cycling of what looked like drive access errors.

 I was unable at first to install the nvidia-current driver in my Ubuntu
 Minimal CD installs, because synaptic threatened to remove xorg at the same
 time. Then I added the xorg-edgers PPA repository, and I was able to add the
 driver. Plus, the latest xorg upgrades have not caused any problems.

 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Moving home

2010-06-13 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien ,

I know you're busy but I am just getting together the logo for my little
area on http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18 is it okay to point over
to http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.04.iso ? Or would you prefer
it point somewhere else?

Thanks,

Phill.
P.S. yeah, we're still working on the logo ;-)
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