[Lubuntu-desktop] first impression about lubuntu from lubuntu.net iso and it's netbook mode

2010-07-13 Thread Sylkis
Hi,

Today I have downloaded the iso from lubuntu.net, that is the one supposed
to be used by ordinary users, I suppose. Generally it makes great impression
(however it has to be personalised in my opinion to become fully useable,
but I guess that can be said about any operating system) and have some
suggestions about netbook desktop of lubuntu.

I really love it, it works basically in the same way as UNR, but it's
lightweight of course :) but it has few drawbacks.

First of all - I couldn't find anywhere how to personalise it. I mean from
the menus, what can I find in them, to the way how it looks like. No
wallpaper, no changes in colour scheme, etc - and it surely WILL scare away
new users from this mode.
I know that making it transparent menu (the bottom panel can do that, right?
so I guess it should not be a big problem to do the same thing here?) or
wallpaper-able in any other way and customizeable in terms of colours, etc
would make it a bit heavier, but still I think it's really worth it. Now it
looks potentially unattractive for random ordinary user, especially for
newbies,  as the only thing that is great about it is usefullness and
convienience. But in today's world of eye-candied Ubuntu-Unity, macOSX and
windows7 it's not enough, as it lacks really basic features, that
non-netbook lubuntu desktop DOES offer. I'm not saying that it should become
something like that heavy animated openGL netbook-launcher thing, but I
believe most people would prefer to look at some favourite photo (or sth)
rather than on plain light blue screen.
OR if there is a way how to customize the looks of the netbook menu, you
should make it easily accesible, cause I couldn't find it, and if I didn't -
then I bet no newbie would either.

Another thing that I think would be nice is that the top panel of the
netbook desktop menu would be somehow always on top, I mean never covered
with windows, and clicking on it while some window is maximized would
minimize everything and let user jump to desktop same as one icon in the
bottom panel does (and that one would be unnessesary then). BUT - as I have
mentioned, there IS an icon in panel that makes user jump to naked desktop
menu anyways, so that change is just an idea that is unlikely to do, as it's
not needed. I guess i't somehow because I'm use tod UNR, there clicking on
the left side of the panel worked like that.

Oh, and non-netbook-menu matter; it would be GREAT if the standard black
LXDE background of the bottom panel would be included. It looked just great,
i don't understand why was it changed for such ugly gray one, but well -
that's a matter of taste, and the general artwork looks really fine, so I
guess it was part of a larger concept. Still, while customising I wanted to
change the colour of the panel and found no alternative graphic, only the
deafult gray one, or the possibility of plain and/or transparent colours. I
belive such graphic weigths just a few KB, so wy not give people choice?

And last but not least, I didn't see deadbeef in defaultly installed apps,
there was still aqualung in there. Is it still supposed to be like that? and
will the bottom panel be moved to top, and [minimise]/[maximise]/[close]
buttons moved to the left corner of window, like in new ubuntu? I'm just
curious about consistence of general ubuntu idea and the if that the iso
from lubuntu.net is and up-to-date one, or shall I download newer one from
somewhere else?

Phew... I think that's all for now, I'm getting back to lubuntu as my main
system of everyday use, after quite a long break.

If I come up with anything, I'll let you know for sure.

Cheers, Kuba
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Replacing Aqualung with Exaile [DISCUSSION]

2010-05-17 Thread Sylkis
it's a music PLAYER. NOT a BROWSER/ORGANISER with addition of player,
like amarok, exaile, songbird, itunes and other such. infact, it's
very, VERY similar to foobar on windows - so then it doesn't have any
bloating trash-features like some libaries and such IMO worthless
unnessesary stuff. And I hope it will be so for ever, now it is IMO
nearly perfect (it lacks only support for other playlists formats and
MAYBE a scrobbler, which also is unncessesary I guess).


2010/5/17 Naveen Kumar Molleti nerd.nav...@gmail.com:
 Hi,

 I tried using DeaDBeeF, and I don't seem to find a music library
 option. Is the library feature really non-existent, or am I missing
 something?

 Thank you,
 Naveen Kumar m

 On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Dooitze de Jong
 dooitzedej...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nice article on omgubuntu.co.uk,
 On the first sight, it looks great, and it takes little memory. I think you
 all made the right decision to make DeadBeef (strange name:p) as default.
 I'm just came to this team so I don't know exactly how things works. The
 installation of Lubuntu on my PC crash all the time, (See the bug) The
 LiveCD works on my old PIII, only live. But live is fast too. I overlocked
 that old pc to 1 GHz with more than 300 MB memory in it. I think that
 Lubuntu will be on the next release part of the family.
 Regards,
 Dooitze

 2010/5/16 Glenn glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.com

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 At our big application discussion mail we pretty much came to the
 conclusion that we would not replace the browser, IM client, media
 player and CD burning app.
 As there is not much left I came to that conclusion, and I also told
 OMG! Ubuntu! that a change later on is not impossible so I don´t see
 your point.
 And I don´t agree with you on sending false information and making FUD
 either.

 But anyways, if you still think I am totally wrong, I am sorry.

 - -Glenn

  Also Glenn, could you please stop sending false informations outside
  the mailing list, especially to news site like OMG ? I don't know
  where you saw that there will be no others changes in application by
  default, or no applications added.
  Please add feedback to blueprints (see the Roadmap) and mailing list
  instead of making some FUD outside the maling list.
 
  Regards,
  Julien
 


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] new visual identity in lucid

2010-03-04 Thread Sylkis
I hope not, as I personally find this new look kinda ugly and changed
forcefuly in aspects that could be left alone...


2010/3/4 Zoltan Matlak matlakz...@gmail.com:
 I just red on slashdot today:
 Canonical has launched a new visual identity for the Ubuntu Linux
 distribution. Ubuntu is shedding its previous brown look and adopting a more
 professional color scheme with purple and orange. The colors will be used in
 a new GNOME theme and boot splash for Ubuntu 10.04. According to updated
 design documents that were published in the Ubuntu wiki, 'light' is the
 underlying concept behind the new visual identity. It displaces the 'human'
 concept that has been part of Ubuntu's theming and brand vernacular for the
 past five years. Ubuntu community manager Jono Bacon has posted a screenshot
 and additional information.

 Question: is it a goal to have all *buntu variants use the same character
 set or to have common/similar look? Just wondering if the lubuntu splash and
 other logos have to be changed? (saw the xubuntu as sample on the site
 that's why I raised the question)

 Thanks
 Zoltan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Screencasts

2010-03-01 Thread Sylkis
maybe a promt that automatically launches after loading live session,
saying that this is a live session :), what are the consequences of
that (efficiency worse than on regular install, loss of settings each
boot, etc - but being able to look around the system without any
changes on computer) and that the tutorial and installation process
may be launched by clicking the specific icon placed on desktop?


2010/3/1 Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com:
 On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:44:15 -, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de
 wrote:

 Hi,

 what about small short screen-cast tutorials about lubuntu ?
 e.g.
        -Showing the installation process
        -Basic Desktop
        -Basic File management
        -...

 What do you think about this idea ? Maybe (if we have enough space left)
 we can also pack some of this videos directly onto the livecd ?

 I think that might not be a bad idea, as long as they are kept
 short-and-sweet.
 An icon on the desktop 'About Lubuntu' or something?


 --
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 Shiny

2010-02-26 Thread Sylkis
-- Forwarded message --
From: Sylkis syl...@gmail.com
Date: 2010/2/26
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 Shiny
To: Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de


 One big feature request for pcmanfm2 (future releases not crucial to this
 lubuntu release):
 Add a right click submenu that opens up the folder content when hovering. This
 is a very nice feature that was originally integrated in BeOS and would make
 working on desktop and in folders amazingly fast.
 Here a screenshot:
 http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/675582246_2a1dd83e92.jpg


wow, I love the idea :D kinda resembles browsing files on fluxbox or
by windows taskbar (i mean when you put desktop bar to it), but seems
more practical this way

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Games

2010-02-26 Thread Sylkis
I wish KDE games wouldn't bloat evetyhing with QT libs... KPaitience,
KJumpingCube, Kmajhong (or whatever you spell it), KBattleship, etc -
they would be perfect imo. the problem with them it the K...

2010/2/26 Mike Nokel mno...@gmail.com:
 2010/2/26 Jo Gerb jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com

 Hey team,

 We should think about the games in Lubuntu. I think that with a little
 cards-game (like solitaire) and a reaction-game (like snake) most of our
 users would be happy. Maybe we also could add a little puzzle-game and
 something like Space Invaders, but we have to remember that there's not that
 much free space left. We now have to choose some good games with no or just
 some dependencies that run fast on old hardware. Do you have any ideas?

 Best regards, Jo.

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 Mmm... What about pysol (http://www.pysol.org/ - it is available in the
 jaunty repositories however only. It doesn;t have much dependencies and is
 written in python), gtkballs (http://gtkballs.antex.ru/#about - it is
 available in the lucid repositories and doesn't have any dependencies except
 gtk)?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Fwd: Re: Colourchange?]

2010-02-18 Thread Sylkis
I like the idea of purple with black and grey :)


2010/2/18 josef A. Beroeatwarin rajatanpacel...@gmail.com

  Hi all Lubuntu geeks or whatever :-)

 So its sound like  we are so close with the release of Lubuntu. Green is
 nice and for the one that took time to make the green logo thank you...
 I like to have a different colour... because kubuntu is blue, ubuntu is
 brown xubuntu is grey,wattos (ubuntu derived and using lxde) is green just
 like opensuse.
 I like  to see purple with a combination with black or grey... I not a
 really a purple lover I am more of green or blue but... I what to see
 something different with a own status of colour and with the the logo of
 ubuntu as sign where we come from
 So guys what do you think of purple with black, grey maybe metalic,
 ofcourse its sound heavy but its still runs light...






  Original Message   Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop]
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 +1 4 Blue.

 On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Sylkis syl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I still like blue better. for me it doesn't really matter that there
 are othes blue distros, it's just a good looking colour and I gues
 everything's aesthetical with it, unlike with green imo. I mea, it is
 possible to make sth look good with green, but i think it would be
 really dissicult to match it to lubuntu - a very narrow selection of
 green shades is aesthetical for such use, and it matches poorly with
 other colours. I think that even red or purple would do better, but
 that's my personal opinion. maybe gray variations would be nice too,
 or maybe we could mix many colours, instead of keeping everyting in
 one? mixture of blue, dark green, with white, gray and black accents.
 what do you think? I just don't really think it looks good in just
 green. but decision is up to whole community ;)

 2010/2/17 jo franz jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com:
  look, we didnt even agree on the logo in the artwork team. There are so
 many
  ideas. But if you guys say green would be ok or even better than blue,
 the
  artwork-team could concentrate on designing green logos.  just look at
 the
  attachement! these are just some from dozens of ideas.
 
  2010/2/17 Sylkis syl...@gmail.com
 
  I know it's a quickly made paintswitch, but that greeness and metallic
  LXDE logo doesn't really fit imo, maybe a change should go even
  further for a nice result?
 
 
  2010/2/17 jo franz jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com:
   i just made some with kolourpaint... wait, ill attach them
  
   2010/2/17 Glen Bizeau gbiz...@gmail.com
  
   Can we see some quick concepts?
  
   Green is a pleasing color, I personally prefer dark themes :)
  
   GB
  
   On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM, jo franz 
 jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com
   wrote:
hey guys, someone from the artworkteam had a really good idea
 today:
what
about a change from blue to green? we would have to change all the
wallpapers, logos and  the whole design, but i think it would be
worth
the
time. The Kubuntu logo is blue, also the one from Xubuntu - why
shouldn't we
try something new? Lubuntu will be a standalone Distribution - we
don't
have
to take the same colours as the other official ubuntu-derivates.
 The
colour
green would fit nicely with the idea of lxde using less
 resources,
how
jekopsch, the one who had this idea, said.
So what do you think, guys?
   
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Fwd: Re: Colourchange?]

2010-02-18 Thread Sylkis
pool is a good idea, but where and how?
i'd recommend candidates:
-green
-red (maybe with oragne, for association with ubutnu's brown?)
-purple/violet
-turquoise/emerald
and I think that even more possibilities may be good to consider.
but as it was said before, more important is a stable, full and matching
theme, than the colour itself.


2010/2/18 Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.com

 Poll anyone?

 I think we should discard blue (Kubuntu), Brown/Orange/Red (Ubuntu), and
 Grey (a bit in Xubuntu). Also I think that Lubuntu have to remark its low
 footprint... And use a clearly identifyable (does that word even exist?)
 color, maybe green, mayble purple/violet.

 On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Sylkis syl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like the idea of purple with black and grey :)


 2010/2/18 josef A. Beroeatwarin rajatanpacel...@gmail.com

  Hi all Lubuntu geeks or whatever :-)

 So its sound like  we are so close with the release of Lubuntu. Green is
 nice and for the one that took time to make the green logo thank you...
 I like to have a different colour... because kubuntu is blue, ubuntu is
 brown xubuntu is grey,wattos (ubuntu derived and using lxde) is green just
 like opensuse.
 I like  to see purple with a combination with black or grey... I not a
 really a purple lover I am more of green or blue but... I what to see
 something different with a own status of colour and with the the logo of
 ubuntu as sign where we come from
 So guys what do you think of purple with black, grey maybe metalic,
 ofcourse its sound heavy but its still runs light...






  Original Message   Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop]
 Colourchange?  Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:03:06 -0600  From: Dallas
 Wiebelhaus wiebelh...@gmail.com wiebelh...@gmail.com  To:
 lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net  References:
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 +1 4 Blue.

 On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Sylkis syl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I still like blue better. for me it doesn't really matter that there
 are othes blue distros, it's just a good looking colour and I gues
 everything's aesthetical with it, unlike with green imo. I mea, it is
 possible to make sth look good with green, but i think it would be
 really dissicult to match it to lubuntu - a very narrow selection of
 green shades is aesthetical for such use, and it matches poorly with
 other colours. I think that even red or purple would do better, but
 that's my personal opinion. maybe gray variations would be nice too,
 or maybe we could mix many colours, instead of keeping everyting in
 one? mixture of blue, dark green, with white, gray and black accents.
 what do you think? I just don't really think it looks good in just
 green. but decision is up to whole community ;)

 2010/2/17 jo franz jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com:
  look, we didnt even agree on the logo in the artwork team. There are
 so many
  ideas. But if you guys say green would be ok or even better than blue,
 the
  artwork-team could concentrate on designing green logos.  just look at
 the
  attachement! these are just some from dozens of ideas.
 
  2010/2/17 Sylkis syl...@gmail.com
 
  I know it's a quickly made paintswitch, but that greeness and
 metallic
  LXDE logo doesn't really fit imo, maybe a change should go even
  further for a nice result?
 
 
  2010/2/17 jo franz jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com:
   i just made some with kolourpaint... wait, ill attach them
  
   2010/2/17 Glen Bizeau gbiz...@gmail.com
  
   Can we see some quick concepts?
  
   Green is a pleasing color, I personally prefer dark themes :)
  
   GB
  
   On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM, jo franz 
 jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com
   wrote:
hey guys, someone from the artworkteam had a really good idea
 today:
what
about a change from blue to green? we would have to change all
 the
wallpapers, logos and  the whole design, but i think it would be
worth
the
time. The Kubuntu logo is blue, also the one from Xubuntu - why
shouldn't we
try something new? Lubuntu will be a standalone Distribution -
 we
don't
have
to take the same colours as the other official ubuntu-derivates.
 The
colour
green would fit nicely with the idea of lxde using less
 resources,
how
jekopsch, the one who had this idea, said.
So what

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] colours

2010-02-18 Thread Sylkis
I didn't say it's pink. but it's more of a tone of pinkish varieties of
violet ;) and I just know how many people would react depite it looks good


2010/2/18 Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.com

   Looks nice to me. And I wouldn't call it pink, it looks more like
 purple... ;)

 On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Sylkis syl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it is going in a good direction - a minimal gamma correction to
 make it look less pink (especially the lighter part of wallparer), maybe
 base it on #4B0082 indigo? and I think we have an original, good look. I
 think it's nice even now, but many people would call it 'gay' (I didn't want
 to use that word, but don't know how to say that nicely, I hope you guys
 understand), that why I propose less pinkish hue.



 2010/2/18 神癒礁湖 rafaellag...@gmail.com

  Wow, I see an explossion about colour issue. Please, check the theme
 wiki and see the options. I've made a few wallpapers for matching the blue
 colours. And I must be clear, I've received from Canonical the colour
 specifications about usage, logos, trademarks and Pantone™ references.
 That's why Xubuntu and Kubuntu (and official derivatives, as we want to
 be) are blue. Anyway, look at this shot:



 Is the purple / pink background with dark panel. As you can see there're
 a lot of combinations, but remaining theme specs. I'll made a poll to
 request your preferences about GUI details.





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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] colours

2010-02-18 Thread Sylkis
wow. I won't comment cause I don't want to potentially offend anyone, it
just doesn't apply to me at all. IMO there is nothing that connects
lighweight software and saving enviroment, the usage of resources doesn't
convince me at all, and such way of thinking associates me badly.
let's just put away the philosophy argument, please.
still, the first screenshot was a nice suprise, possible way to go with
green, I wouldn't complain if lubuntu eventually looked like that, while the
second didn't appeal to me (the grey taskbar and dirty titlebar were ugly,
icons were in some different not matching colour, etc).


2010/2/18 Jo Gerb jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com

 its just that lubuntuusers wont have to buy a new computer, they can still
 use their old one (good for our planet). Lubuntu needs less ressources than
 other distributions. lxde is leightweight, and i dont know, but i associate
 that with green. like a flower or a tree that can grow on a little piece of
 earth with some water and some light not needing much more, lubuntu will be
 usable on (almost) every hardware.

 2010/2/18 Sylkis syl...@gmail.com

 what does green have to filosophy of either ubuntu or LXDE? and why purple
 doesn't?
 but I even like the screenshots, even though it resembles openSUSE, which
 associates me badly. the green used there is not so dirty as I was almost
 sure it would be, and problably it is why I have ben so plesantly suprised
 :) but still i'd use a darker and more pure colour for titlebar of second
 screen.

 2010/2/18 jo franz jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com

 hm, ok, purple is a trendcolour. thats right, its in (even if some
 magazines say that grey is the new purple), but it will become out again.
 maybe one year, maybe three, but same as neon-colours: totally cool now (and
 in the 80ies), but forgotten and ugly in some years.
 Our logo (and thats were i want the colourchange, even if the ubuntu logo
 is yellow and orange and brown, many parts of the standard theme are grey)
 should have a colour thats always ok, like a evergreen . purple has nothing
 to do with the philosophy of lxde or lubuntu. green has.  i changed your
 screenshot to green (just for comparison) and made some on my own.

 i made the files brown, a purple/blue/green wallpaper and logo doesn't
 meen that every little symbol has to have that colour.
 best regards, jo.


 2010/2/18 Sylkis syl...@gmail.com

 I didn't say it's pink. but it's more of a tone of pinkish varieties of
 violet ;) and I just know how many people would react depite it looks good


 2010/2/18 Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.com

   Looks nice to me. And I wouldn't call it pink, it looks more like
 purple... ;)

 On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Sylkis syl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it is going in a good direction - a minimal gamma correction
 to make it look less pink (especially the lighter part of wallparer), 
 maybe
 base it on #4B0082 indigo? and I think we have an original, good look. I
 think it's nice even now, but many people would call it 'gay' (I didn't 
 want
 to use that word, but don't know how to say that nicely, I hope you guys
 understand), that why I propose less pinkish hue.



 2010/2/18 神癒礁湖 rafaellag...@gmail.com

  Wow, I see an explossion about colour issue. Please, check the
 theme wiki and see the options. I've made a few wallpapers for matching 
 the
 blue colours. And I must be clear, I've received from Canonical the 
 colour
 specifications about usage, logos, trademarks and Pantone™ references.
 That's why Xubuntu and Kubuntu (and official derivatives, as we want 
 to
 be) are blue. Anyway, look at this shot:



 Is the purple / pink background with dark panel. As you can see
 there're a lot of combinations, but remaining theme specs. I'll made a 
 poll
 to request your preferences about GUI details.





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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Browsers comparison on slow machine

2010-02-17 Thread Sylkis
if chrome does support settings, then chromium must also. It's
basically the same browser, and I have no problem with proxy at
chrome.

2010/2/17 Yaroslav darkwa...@list.ru:
 Hello everyone

 I'm testing fresh installation of Lubuntu from last ISO. I found, that 
 Chromium does not support any proxy settings. This is serious failure for 
 default OS browser, as for me.

 -
 Yaroslav.

 -Original Message-
 From: Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
 To: Lubuntu lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:54:25 -
 Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Browsers comparison on slow machine

 On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:51:21 -, Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I'm out of the game for some time, sorry.
 
  My Lubuntu installation crashed and does not start anymore, and I
  don't have several hours to do a complete reinstall, it is painfully
  slow on such machine. I hope, however, I'll be able to do some testing
  on a virtual machine next week. It will definitely be faster than
  ages-old Celeron, so no responsiveness observations possible, but I
  still can see the memory usage numbers.
 
  And yes, the memory usage numbers are reported while hovering over the
  memory bar in taskmanager.
 
  Sincerely,
  Mikhail
 
 No problem.
 My test rig has been playing up, turned out to be the HDD ribbon cable.
 Over 4 hours to install with only 128MB RAM, though I'm amazed the live CD
 runs at all.
 Going to wait for the next ISO before doing any more testing.  I'm going
 through my collection of old parts to see if I can't get a few machines up
 and running for comparisons.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

2010-02-17 Thread Sylkis
1) a lot of people hide it away, or even disable, when using windows,
as most people dont need it and it causes problems, when the lng gets
switched (in poland it used to be very common quite a few years ago,
that Y and Z were switching because of some key shortcut that was
unnknown to most users) - i think that feature is good only for truly
biligual people (like people living in foreign country), and there are
relatively few of them
2) stationary PC's don't have batteries, and this is supposed to be
for old computers in the first place, not netbooks...

12) the games issue has been started today in another thread :)

2010/2/17 Mike Nokel mno...@gmail.com:
 Hi.

 I have found some time to install it on my computer. In general, everything
 looks and works perfectly. However, there are some problems:
 1) by default, there is no keyboard layout controller on the panel. I think,
 that it should be there. A lot of people uses it in everyday's life.
 2) as for battery monitor on the panel: it should be visible by default.
 This empty space looks really strange.
 3) there is still pcmanfm 0.5.2, not pcmanfm2(
 4) you have included osmo as a default program. My friends and me haven't
 heard about this program before. And in everyday life may be it is not so
 necessary to be included, I think.
 5) without installing packages xscreensaver-gl, xscreensaver-gl-extra,
 xscreensaver-data-extra I see a lot of error messages telling me that
 there is no directory /usr/share/backgrounds. It is annoying.
 6) when I launch lxterminal, appeared the window without any string like
 this: ubu...@ubuntu:~/. But when you hit any key on the keyboard it
 appears unexpectably.
 7) some buttons such as OK, Cancel just don't work (only hitting Close
 Window helped me to close the windows). It is so when you are configuring
 panel for example.
 8) you have used LXDM as a login manager. It is perfect, but it has serious
 problems:
      - when I enable autologin on it, I just can't switch my keyboard layout
 by hitting on the applet on the panel. Only typing sudo lxpanelctl restart
 helped me.
      - there is no gui-program to configure LXDM yet. For a lot of people it
 will be hard to understand what do if they want enable autologin or so on.
      - using LXDM I can't modify PATH variable (even modifying file
 /etc/profile), so I can't play any games using menu (Menu-Games-...). It
 won't work.
 9) sound card by default doesn't work. So, I have gone to alsa-project.org,
 downloaded the latest driver, lib and utils, installed it. Run sudo
 alsaconf and after reboot I heart the sound.
 10) I've got ati radeon 4670 video, but when I tried to install
 xorg-driver-fglrx, it tells me that he wants to remove xorg with all its
 dependencies. Strange behaviour. So, I have only poor 3D now(
 11) I've tried to install fskbsetting. But when launching it gives me
 segmentation fault. I don't know why.
 12) May be there should be some games, at least some gnome-games?
 So, this is my first experience.
 Regards,
 Michael.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Colourchange?

2010-02-17 Thread Sylkis
I still like blue better. for me it doesn't really matter that there
are othes blue distros, it's just a good looking colour and I gues
everything's aesthetical with it, unlike with green imo. I mea, it is
possible to make sth look good with green, but i think it would be
really dissicult to match it to lubuntu - a very narrow selection of
green shades is aesthetical for such use, and it matches poorly with
other colours. I think that even red or purple would do better, but
that's my personal opinion. maybe gray variations would be nice too,
or maybe we could mix many colours, instead of keeping everyting in
one? mixture of blue, dark green, with white, gray and black accents.
what do you think? I just don't really think it looks good in just
green. but decision is up to whole community ;)

2010/2/17 jo franz jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com:
 look, we didnt even agree on the logo in the artwork team. There are so many
 ideas. But if you guys say green would be ok or even better than blue, the
 artwork-team could concentrate on designing green logos.  just look at the
 attachement! these are just some from dozens of ideas.

 2010/2/17 Sylkis syl...@gmail.com

 I know it's a quickly made paintswitch, but that greeness and metallic
 LXDE logo doesn't really fit imo, maybe a change should go even
 further for a nice result?


 2010/2/17 jo franz jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com:
  i just made some with kolourpaint... wait, ill attach them
 
  2010/2/17 Glen Bizeau gbiz...@gmail.com
 
  Can we see some quick concepts?
 
  Green is a pleasing color, I personally prefer dark themes :)
 
  GB
 
  On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM, jo franz jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com
  wrote:
   hey guys, someone from the artworkteam had a really good idea today:
   what
   about a change from blue to green? we would have to change all the
   wallpapers, logos and  the whole design, but i think it would be
   worth
   the
   time. The Kubuntu logo is blue, also the one from Xubuntu - why
   shouldn't we
   try something new? Lubuntu will be a standalone Distribution - we
   don't
   have
   to take the same colours as the other official ubuntu-derivates. The
   colour
   green would fit nicely with the idea of lxde using less resources,
   how
   jekopsch, the one who had this idea, said.
   So what do you think, guys?
  
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Feedback new testing ISO 20100215

2010-02-15 Thread Sylkis
2010/2/15 Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de:
 Hi,

 this version looks very promising. Nm-applet is working fine. The LXDesign 
 Theme is really a very cool clearlooks theme. Very good work !
 Chromium is running its first run wizard if clicked. Perhaps we should ship a 
 preconfigured version with bookmarks and set it as default browser (its 
 telling me that it isn't yet).
 Hmm... acpi=off in the livecd boot parameters ? I guess a temporary fix due 
 to hal removal isn't it ?
 The next thing I noticed. There is currently no visible gnome-power-manager 
 icon in the systray of the panel (as it is started automatically but I don't 
 see any icon but can click on it I guess it is a panel problem). Next thing 
 gpicview should it be in the panel menu under graphics ? (somehow the 
 graphics submenu seems strange containing only 1 app)
 My XFMultimedia Keys for Volume up/down mute is not working (eeePC 701). 
 xfce4-volumed should fix this or setting the keys in the openbox config and 
 creating a script that does volume up/down and mute (if you don't want to 
 have the fency notify-osd)

 The last thing that we might include (only a suggestion) is a tweaked 
 /etc/sysctl.conf for Netbooks:
 # Delay real write to disk
 vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs=1500

 is crucial for this. Making the system visually faster.

 Here a suggestion (also for all testers) set the panel size to 24 and the 
 icon size to 22. This way the panel here (on eeePC 701) looks much better.

 Overall well made promising future with pcmanfm2 I hope ;)

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I wonder, isn't lubuntu's target mainly old hardware, as netbooks have
it's UNR? or if we want it to be so netbook, maybe a the UNR opengl
menu (which I love by the way) could be somehow attached do
LXDE/openbox, instead of gnome/metacity? of course only as something
to launch deliberately on purpose (maybe an icon suggesting to try it
could be placed on desktop),not by default? I mean: defaultly lubuntu
would be a regular lightweight desktop, but it could be turned into
UNR-like system based on LXDE easily?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

2009-11-16 Thread Sylkis
sory I send the message to wrong adress earlier

2009/11/16 Sylkis syl...@gmail.com

 2009/11/16 Zsolt Peter Basak shiki.biomer...@gmail.com

 Hello!

 Chrome is fast, but its not that lightweight. Check its memory usage. The
 Chrome/Chromium without Google features is called SRware Iron and anyone
 can download the binary of that app or the source code.

 Here you can find more information about SRWare Iron. (A german person
 makes it, as far as I know. I'm using it since the first version and I'm
 really satisfied with it). Even the beta... no crash at all. And there is an
 AdBlock for the beta, and the beta also handles flash better than the
 'stable' version does.

 Homepage: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
 Download: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php
 Linux version: http://www.srware.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18t=835


 That SWare Iron thingie looks great, but too bad there's no .deb nor repos
 for easy install and the windows version crashes under wine. maybe someone
 could create an easy package installer? I mean it looks like some great
 candidate for lubuntu, but as it would become part of ubuntu it needs some
 kind of repo or sth, as ubuntu is meant 'for humans' (that mostly do not
 fancy compiling :) )...

 personally I find arora and midori a bit uncomfortable, but maybe it's just
 me being used to big things like netscape, then firefox, and then
 google-chrome.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

2009-11-15 Thread Sylkis
2009/11/15 mehageg meha...@nana.co.il

 as lubuntu is a fast-lightweight version of ubuntu, maybe it's time to
 consider using arora http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/arora instead
 of firefox as the main web-browser.
 from my personal experience, arora fits very well as my main browser, it
 supports the main state-of-the art technologies (javascript+ajax, flash,
 java applets etc), has the main features you find in firefox (ad-block,
 live-http, privacy mode, tabbed surfing, smart bar).

 in the bottom line, it's just as great as firefox, just much faster and
 slimmer. matches perfectly the lubuntu/lxde way, as I see it.

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Why not consider google-chrome? I know it's 'beta' status, but as I've been
using it for a long time - since version in which plugins are defaultly on
it's perfectly stable, and it's really lightweight and fast :) AND it's
becoming quite popular, so I think it'd be better for lubuntu to have a
popular browser that many people are familiar with, rather than having some
exotic one that very little number of people use
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Mplayer and SMplayer problems

2009-09-16 Thread Sylkis
2009/9/16 Glen Bizeau gbiz...@gmail.com

 What about VLC?

 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Please note that I don't want to discuss all the applications of the
  seed, but show some problems with the choice for the video player.
 
  There is currently 2 problems :
  - SMplayer brings unnecessary depends on QT packages (near 20 Mb). If
  it's only to bring a better GUI for Mplayer, there is gnome-mplayer
  which should achieve this goal. If nobody complain, I'll replace
  smplayer by gnome-player in the seed.
 
  - Mplayer depends on problematic packages (like LAME which have patents
  issues). It means that Mplayer can't be shipped on a ISO, because it's
  illegal in some countries.
  The ideal solution is to find a small GTK+ video player, with Gstreamer
  support, which allow installing problematic packages after the initial
  installation. Unfortunately, I can't find any :(
  A temporary solution is to put mplayer to recommends packages, instead
  of a depends. In this case, lubuntu-desktop could be installed without
  mplayer.
  I plan to move mplayer to recommends if no better solution is found.
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne
 
 
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