Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-24 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hiyas Julien,

thanks for the chat and I hope the UDS goes well. Is there still the torrent
feed for 10.04, or are we going to have to rely solely on the server(s) ? I
still have my copy, so can fairly quickly resurrect a 10.04 page up on the
documentation area.

Regards,

Phill.

On 23 October 2010 00:23, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Thanks Yorvyk, I added it to the release notes.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

 On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:39:26 +0100
 Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

  On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:53:40 -0400
  Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 
   I wasn't aware that there are still computers using i586. Do we know
 what CPU models are affected ? We can sill ask to re-enable the support for
 Natty (very few chances to be accepted), but we need to know what hardwares
 are affected.
  
  VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor and AMD Geode are the ones I know
 of.
 
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-24 Thread Yorvyk
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:33:46 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hiyas Julien,
 
 thanks for the chat and I hope the UDS goes well. Is there still the torrent
 feed for 10.04, or are we going to have to rely solely on the server(s) ? I
 still have my copy, so can fairly quickly resurrect a 10.04 page up on the
 documentation area.
 
There is and there has been an increase in people using it over that last few 
days.
http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.04.iso.torrent


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-24 Thread Julien Lavergne
I'm still seeding 10.04 when transmission is open. No need to remove it for 
now. But I'll need to remove the .iso from http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ 
(space problem, always ...)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:33:46 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hiyas Julien,
 
 thanks for the chat and I hope the UDS goes well. Is there still the torrent
 feed for 10.04, or are we going to have to rely solely on the server(s) ? I
 still have my copy, so can fairly quickly resurrect a 10.04 page up on the
 documentation area.
 
 Regards,
 
 Phill.
 
 On 23 October 2010 00:23, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 
  Thanks Yorvyk, I added it to the release notes.
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne
 
  On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:39:26 +0100
  Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
   On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:53:40 -0400
   Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
  
I wasn't aware that there are still computers using i586. Do we know
  what CPU models are affected ? We can sill ask to re-enable the support for
  Natty (very few chances to be accepted), but we need to know what hardwares
  are affected.
   
   VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor and AMD Geode are the ones I know
  of.
  
  
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-24 Thread Phill Whiteside
Julien, no worries. I'll keep it on my server area (I have 1TB). I'll get
the 10.04 notes re-done in next couple of days. Once the new server area is
set up, Derrick has agreed to allow it to be a seeder for all the lubuntu
releases. But like yourself, he's a bit busy atm.

Regards,

Phill.

On 24 October 2010 20:59, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 I'm still seeding 10.04 when transmission is open. No need to remove it for
 now. But I'll need to remove the .iso from
 http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ (space problem, always ...)

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

 On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:33:46 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Hiyas Julien,
 
  thanks for the chat and I hope the UDS goes well. Is there still the
 torrent
  feed for 10.04, or are we going to have to rely solely on the server(s) ?
 I
  still have my copy, so can fairly quickly resurrect a 10.04 page up on
 the
  documentation area.
 
  Regards,
 
  Phill.
 
  On 23 October 2010 00:23, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 
   Thanks Yorvyk, I added it to the release notes.
  
   Regards,
   Julien Lavergne
  
   On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:39:26 +0100
   Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
  
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:53:40 -0400
Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
   
 I wasn't aware that there are still computers using i586. Do we
 know
   what CPU models are affected ? We can sill ask to re-enable the support
 for
   Natty (very few chances to be accepted), but we need to know what
 hardwares
   are affected.

VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor and AMD Geode are the ones I
 know
   of.
   
   
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-24 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hiyas gang,

it was a hasty scribble up, but
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#10.04 has been added.

Regards,

Phill.

On 24 October 2010 21:11, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Julien, no worries. I'll keep it on my server area (I have 1TB). I'll get
 the 10.04 notes re-done in next couple of days. Once the new server area is
 set up, Derrick has agreed to allow it to be a seeder for all the lubuntu
 releases. But like yourself, he's a bit busy atm.

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On 24 October 2010 20:59, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 I'm still seeding 10.04 when transmission is open. No need to remove it
 for now. But I'll need to remove the .iso from
 http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ (space problem, always ...)

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

 On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:33:46 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Hiyas Julien,
 
  thanks for the chat and I hope the UDS goes well. Is there still the
 torrent
  feed for 10.04, or are we going to have to rely solely on the server(s)
 ? I
  still have my copy, so can fairly quickly resurrect a 10.04 page up on
 the
  documentation area.
 
  Regards,
 
  Phill.
 
  On 23 October 2010 00:23, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 
   Thanks Yorvyk, I added it to the release notes.
  
   Regards,
   Julien Lavergne
  
   On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:39:26 +0100
   Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
  
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:53:40 -0400
Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
   
 I wasn't aware that there are still computers using i586. Do we
 know
   what CPU models are affected ? We can sill ask to re-enable the
 support for
   Natty (very few chances to be accepted), but we need to know what
 hardwares
   are affected.

VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor and AMD Geode are the ones I
 know
   of.
   
   
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-22 Thread Julien Lavergne
If it's limited to the LXDE packages + Lubuntu specific packages, backporting 
them to 10.04 shouldn't be a big work, since I already planned to backport 
up-to-date LXDE packages.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne 

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:18:55 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hiyas Julien,
 
 Having had a chat, (oh and the forum went wild over the dropping of i586
 support),.
 
 what I propose is that we support 10.04 as a LTS and not just a beta. The
 kernel will be supported for 5 years, it's down to the devs to decide if
 they will compile stuff for the LTS kernel. Obviously, you all know that ask
 that you do so; I do know it is a really small team but I think pcman will
 do his side, as for the lx team that would have to be asked.
 
 Regards,
 
 Phill.
 
 On 21 October 2010 23:53, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 
  I wasn't aware that there are still computers using i586. Do we know what
  CPU models are affected ? We can sill ask to re-enable the support for Natty
  (very few chances to be accepted), but we need to know what hardwares are
  affected.
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne
 
  On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100
  Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:
 
   Julien,
  
as we are the last post of support for older computers, to  with
   Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and
  below
   that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn
  our
   backs on these people.  Just my 2 cents worth.
  
   Regards,
  
   Phill.
  
   On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
  
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote:
   
 Hey,

 I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran
  into
 the cmov missing problem.
 Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
 support should be compiled into the kernel
 (imho).

 I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
 support in recent kernels.

Sadly, yes.  See  this thread
https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html
   
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-22 Thread Julien Lavergne
Thanks Yorvyk, I added it to the release notes.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:39:26 +0100
Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:53:40 -0400
 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 
  I wasn't aware that there are still computers using i586. Do we know what 
  CPU models are affected ? We can sill ask to re-enable the support for 
  Natty (very few chances to be accepted), but we need to know what hardwares 
  are affected.
  
 VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor and AMD Geode are the ones I know of. 
 
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-21 Thread Yorvyk
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Julien,
 
  as we are the last post of support for older computers, to  with
 Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below
 that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our
 backs on these people.  Just my 2 cents worth.
 
 Regards,
 
 Phill.
 
 On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
  On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
  Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote:
 
   Hey,
  
   I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
   the cmov missing problem.
   Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
   support should be compiled into the kernel
   (imho).
  
   I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
   support in recent kernels.
  
  Sadly, yes.  See  this thread
  https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html
 

We’ll probably have to support 10.04 for a bit longer for these machines.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-21 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 21.10.2010 12:38, schrieb PCMan:
 Is there any chance that we keep supporting these old machines?
 I don't see any reason to force the use of i686.
 Only the compiler flags need to be changed.
 All programs should be able to be compiled with i586.
 If supporting i586 is not allowed by Canonical, then I personally
 think we need a fork.
   
Thats somehow insane. The community isn't big enough to host a fork.
A fork would mean copy the whole ubuntu repo and recompile everything
for i586.
(Forking/)Taking  the kernel package and add support for i586 and put
it in the ppa would be much more appropiate.
Or perhaps Canonical agrees to build special i586 enabled kernels that
lubuntu can use.
 A distro aimed to provide best desktop experience for old and limited
 machines doesn't run on old machines at all. This is really ironic,
 isn't it?
   
Yes that is kind of strange ;)
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
   
 On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 
 Julien,

  as we are the last post of support for older computers, to  with
 Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below
 that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our
 backs on these people.  Just my 2 cents worth.

 Regards,

 Phill.

 On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

   
 On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
 Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote:

 
 Hey,

 I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
 the cmov missing problem.
 Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
 support should be compiled into the kernel
 (imho).

 I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
 support in recent kernels.

   
 Sadly, yes.  See  this thread
 https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html

 
   
 We’ll probably have to support 10.04 for a bit longer for these machines.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-21 Thread Fredrik Andersson
I dont know anything about packaging and all but, if there was possible to make 
Lubuntu compatible for i586 that would be great.
And if Canonical/buntu dont support it it would be nice if we could offer that.
But anyway guys this is just some toughts so dont hurt me :)


On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:38:35 +0800
PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there any chance that we keep supporting these old machines?
 I don't see any reason to force the use of i686.
 Only the compiler flags need to be changed.
 All programs should be able to be compiled with i586.
 If supporting i586 is not allowed by Canonical, then I personally
 think we need a fork.
 A distro aimed to provide best desktop experience for old and limited
 machines doesn't run on old machines at all. This is really ironic,
 isn't it?
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
  On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100
  Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:
 
  Julien,
 
   as we are the last post of support for older computers, to  with
  Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below
  that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our
  backs on these people.  Just my 2 cents worth.
 
  Regards,
 
  Phill.
 
  On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
   On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
   Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote:
  
Hey,
   
I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
the cmov missing problem.
Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
support should be compiled into the kernel
(imho).
   
I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
support in recent kernels.
   
   Sadly, yes.  See  this thread
   https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html
  
 
  We’ll probably have to support 10.04 for a bit longer for these machines.
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-21 Thread Liam Proven
On 21 October 2010 11:59, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
 Am 21.10.2010 12:38, schrieb PCMan:
 Is there any chance that we keep supporting these old machines?
 I don't see any reason to force the use of i686.
 Only the compiler flags need to be changed.
 All programs should be able to be compiled with i586.
 If supporting i586 is not allowed by Canonical, then I personally
 think we need a fork.

 Thats somehow insane. The community isn't big enough to host a fork.
 A fork would mean copy the whole ubuntu repo and recompile everything
 for i586.

Does it? How many packages are compiled for 686? Or is it only the kernel?

It need not be as big as a whole fork. CentOS is not forked off Red
Hat, it just recompiles RHEL's free source code.

 (Forking/)Taking  the kernel package and add support for i586 and put
 it in the ppa would be much more appropiate.

That's true.

 Or perhaps Canonical agrees to build special i586 enabled kernels that
 lubuntu can use.

Hmm. Maybe. Would they be willing, though?

 A distro aimed to provide best desktop experience for old and limited
 machines doesn't run on old machines at all. This is really ironic,
 isn't it?

 Yes that is kind of strange ;)

Someone is going to have to do this soon. CentOS 5 is dropping support
for 586 as well, which presumably means that Fedora already has. I
think only Debian and Slackware still support 486/586.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-21 Thread Julien Lavergne
I wasn't aware that there are still computers using i586. Do we know what CPU 
models are affected ? We can sill ask to re-enable the support for Natty (very 
few chances to be accepted), but we need to know what hardwares are affected.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Julien,
 
  as we are the last post of support for older computers, to  with
 Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below
 that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our
 backs on these people.  Just my 2 cents worth.
 
 Regards,
 
 Phill.
 
 On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
  On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
  Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote:
 
   Hey,
  
   I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
   the cmov missing problem.
   Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
   support should be compiled into the kernel
   (imho).
  
   I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
   support in recent kernels.
  
  Sadly, yes.  See  this thread
  https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-21 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hiyas Julien,

Having had a chat, (oh and the forum went wild over the dropping of i586
support),.

what I propose is that we support 10.04 as a LTS and not just a beta. The
kernel will be supported for 5 years, it's down to the devs to decide if
they will compile stuff for the LTS kernel. Obviously, you all know that ask
that you do so; I do know it is a really small team but I think pcman will
do his side, as for the lx team that would have to be asked.

Regards,

Phill.

On 21 October 2010 23:53, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 I wasn't aware that there are still computers using i586. Do we know what
 CPU models are affected ? We can sill ask to re-enable the support for Natty
 (very few chances to be accepted), but we need to know what hardwares are
 affected.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

 On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Julien,
 
   as we are the last post of support for older computers, to  with
  Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and
 below
  that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn
 our
  backs on these people.  Just my 2 cents worth.
 
  Regards,
 
  Phill.
 
  On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
   On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
   Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote:
  
Hey,
   
I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran
 into
the cmov missing problem.
Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
support should be compiled into the kernel
(imho).
   
I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
support in recent kernels.
   
   Sadly, yes.  See  this thread
   https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html
  
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[Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Stöveken
Hey,

I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
the cmov missing problem.
Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
support should be compiled into the kernel
(imho).

I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
support in recent kernels.

Best Regards,
Chris
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-20 Thread Yorvyk
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote:

 Hey,
 
 I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
 the cmov missing problem.
 Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
 support should be compiled into the kernel
 (imho).
 
 I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
 support in recent kernels.
 
Sadly, yes.  See  this thread 
https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-20 Thread Phill Whiteside
Julien,

 as we are the last post of support for older computers, to  with
Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below
that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our
backs on these people.  Just my 2 cents worth.

Regards,

Phill.

On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
 Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote:

  Hey,
 
  I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
  the cmov missing problem.
  Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
  support should be compiled into the kernel
  (imho).
 
  I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
  support in recent kernels.
 
 Sadly, yes.  See  this thread
 https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html

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