Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki
This is a quick summarise of the different type of installation, up-to-date with 11.10 : By using desktop ISO : Installation done using Ubiquity + a live session, by copying the image of the CD into the system. It's the recommend way for testing and installing Lubuntu. Note that using the live session or the Install only mode will do teh same result, just using less memory. By using alternate ISO : Installation using debian installer type. No live session available. Design to install Lubuntu on everything, especially if the Ubiquity or the live session is not supported. You can do the same with the command line, by using sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, on a minimum Ubuntu installation (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems#Install_an_Ubuntu_command-line_system) Minimal installation : Only on a command line system, just install the lubuntu-core by doing sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core. It should install only core components of Lubuntu + the artwork. I would suggest to also install lxdm or lightdm to have a graphical login manager. As you can see, the --no-install-recommends is not necessary since 11.10. It can be used for people who wants minimal depends, but you have to be carefull, because sometimes some recommended packages are very useful, and so not installed if you use --no-install-recommends. I don't think we need other type of installation, unless I miss a use case :) Regards, Julien Lavergne Le 12/28/2011 07:28 AM, Phill Whiteside a écrit : Hi Hùng, an apology from me. We will get it updated to the alternate ISO. As we got full adoption, the builds and releases of Lubuntu having both the approved system and our older not fully approved builds. I do thank you for bringing this to our attention, we are a small team can miss things. @ Julien PCMan an older FAQ, can it be up dated, or simply point to a more recent area. @ A J await until you are better add it to the thread on the forum. Regards, Phill. On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com mailto:nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just checked our Minimal Install guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall. I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update Manager and Preferred Applications. As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they can't use Ubiquity. Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their desktops almost have nothing. Regards, TRẦN Duy Hùng http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net mailto:lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki
Hi boss, so the information for 11.10 is correct at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#A11.10 I hope! If that is correct, then adding the section for 12.04 will be a much easier task for me :) Hoping you had a good Christmas, Phill. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: This is a quick summarise of the different type of installation, up-to-date with 11.10 : By using desktop ISO : Installation done using Ubiquity + a live session, by copying the image of the CD into the system. It's the recommend way for testing and installing Lubuntu. Note that using the live session or the Install only mode will do teh same result, just using less memory. By using alternate ISO : Installation using debian installer type. No live session available. Design to install Lubuntu on everything, especially if the Ubiquity or the live session is not supported. You can do the same with the command line, by using sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, on a minimum Ubuntu installation (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems#Install_an_Ubuntu_command-line_system ) Minimal installation : Only on a command line system, just install the lubuntu-core by doing sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core. It should install only core components of Lubuntu + the artwork. I would suggest to also install lxdm or lightdm to have a graphical login manager. As you can see, the --no-install-recommends is not necessary since 11.10. It can be used for people who wants minimal depends, but you have to be carefull, because sometimes some recommended packages are very useful, and so not installed if you use --no-install-recommends. I don't think we need other type of installation, unless I miss a use case :) Regards, Julien Lavergne Le 12/28/2011 07:28 AM, Phill Whiteside a écrit : Hi Hùng, an apology from me. We will get it updated to the alternate ISO. As we got full adoption, the builds and releases of Lubuntu having both the approved system and our older not fully approved builds. I do thank you for bringing this to our attention, we are a small team can miss things. @ Julien PCMan an older FAQ, can it be up dated, or simply point to a more recent area. @ A J await until you are better add it to the thread on the forum. Regards, Phill. On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, I just checked our Minimal Install guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall. I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update Manager and Preferred Applications. As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they can't use Ubiquity. Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their desktops almost have nothing. Regards, TRẦN Duy Hùng http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki
On 28/12/11 07:01, Jared Norris wrote: On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trầnnguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just checked our Minimal Install guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall. I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update Manager and Preferred Applications. As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they can't use Ubiquity. Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their desktops almost have nothing. Regards, TRẦN Duy Hùng http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the other stuff anyway? I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes. I used the alternate to install to an old laptop 1.3 GHz Celeron M 256 Mb RAM (since upgraded). Ubiquity kept crashing the alternate worked just fine. It gave me a full Lubuntu install. Today I have used the Mini iso to install to a Compaq TC1000 Tablet with a 1GHz Transmeta Crusoe CPU 256 Mb RAM (possibly 512,it's a bit unclear). No, I don't know what a Crusoe CPU is either. For the tablet I want the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM of 'stuff' on there I'll try to build something half workable from there. All I have at the moment is a browser, window manager synaptic, pretty much. I'm going to start on wireless tomorrow. I never thought I'd see the day I'd be doing this kind of thing, you guys have inspired me to be brave :) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki
I used the alternate to install to an old laptop 1.3 GHz Celeron M 256 Mb RAM (since upgraded). Ubiquity kept crashing the alternate worked just fine. It gave me a full Lubuntu install. Today I have used the Mini iso to install to a Compaq TC1000 Tablet with a 1GHz Transmeta Crusoe CPU 256 Mb RAM (possibly 512,it's a bit unclear). No, I don't know what a Crusoe CPU is either. For the tablet I want the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM of 'stuff' on there I'll try to build something half workable from there. All I have at the moment is a browser, window manager synaptic, pretty much. I'm going to start on wireless tomorrow. I never thought I'd see the day I'd be doing this kind of thing, you guys have inspired me to be brave :) Back in the change of the millenium there was a common question that was directed to Linus when he was talking some where: What does Transmeta do? Usually couple of hands got rised with same question. Oh well, later Transmeta released Crusoe CPU which was totally low energy consumption CPU, a huge improvement on laptop markets (flybook for example). Later Transmeta got purchased by VIA. You can read more about it from wikipedia for example. And yes Minimal CD is da thing, smartest way to install operating system. And when you install lubuntu-desktop meta package, it will fetch the whole thingie. lubuntu-core installs just the core, basics to build your desktop. Laters ;) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki
Hi Hùng, an apology from me. We will get it updated to the alternate ISO. As we got full adoption, the builds and releases of Lubuntu having both the approved system and our older not fully approved builds. I do thank you for bringing this to our attention, we are a small team can miss things. @ Julien PCMan an older FAQ, can it be up dated, or simply point to a more recent area. @ A J await until you are better add it to the thread on the forum. Regards, Phill. On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just checked our Minimal Install guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall. I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update Manager and Preferred Applications. As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they can't use Ubiquity. Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their desktops almost have nothing. Regards, TRẦN Duy Hùng http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki
On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just checked our Minimal Install guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall. I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update Manager and Preferred Applications. As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they can't use Ubiquity. Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their desktops almost have nothing. Regards, TRẦN Duy Hùng http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the other stuff anyway? I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes. -- Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki
Hi Phill, You're welcome! I think it's not your fault and I'm very happy to be a part of the team :). Hi Jared, I agree with you too. Actually sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop is the command I always use because I don't have time to remove the applications I don't use (like ace-of-penguins game, gnome-mplayer...). Hi all, I think we should give some explaintions in the wiki. If reader wants a full Lubuntu desktop, just use sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, if he/she wants a minimal desktop and then add new applications by him/herself, so just use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop. Regards, TRẦN Duy Hùng http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/ On 28 December 2011 14:01, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just checked our Minimal Install guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall. I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update Manager and Preferred Applications. As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they can't use Ubiquity. Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their desktops almost have nothing. Regards, TRẦN Duy Hùng http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the other stuff anyway? I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes. -- Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki
Keeping low profile for some days is VERY boring but I won't overdo it so one reply and I'm off :) From what I understand: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download If you read the above two links, you maybe a little bit confused and think both are the same but in the matter of fact, these two installs are NOT the same. From the first link: The Minimal CD will download packages from online archives at installation time instead of providing them on the install CD itself. Downloading packages at install time reduces the size of the install CD to approximately 5 to 30MB depending on architecture (see below), as well as providing only the packages needed for installation. The download time savings achieved by using a Minimal CD can be significant, as only current packages are downloaded, so there is no need to upgrade packages immediately after installation. The Minimal CD uses a text-based installer like the Alternate CD, making the CD image as compact as possible. From the second link: The text-based alternate installer can be downloaded from a location near you http://www.ubuntu.com/start-download. This installation CD is suited for computers unable to run the graphical desktop based installation, either because their computer does not meet the minimum requirements for the live cd or because their computer requires configuration after the installation is complete in order to use the desktop. This link here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems May give a better understanding. From what I understand, the mini install could be used not only for people with low end hardware but also for those who seek simplicity and want to build their system as per what they really need and avoid the extra stuff. Once you have the base or the core system, you can install whatever you want. So, I'm with Jared and also happy to be proved wrong :) If we are wrong, then the above two links MUST be updated and someone must be more accurate. By the way, last night, I was SO bored so I downloaded the mini iso and installed it on one of my test PCs. I managed to find a wired connection (finally) because I always use the Wireless connection. I'm actually planning to build a system that even lighter than Lubuntu (the one that we all know). I'm planning to do some tests so later on I can install Lubuntu instead of Linux Mint LXDE 9 on this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 By the way, YES, that laptop does work until now. At that time, Lubuntu 10.04 did not work at all and I had less experience than now. I do want to install Lubuntu and will do whatever it takes to do that. Thank you everyone :) Now, logging off. @Phill Once I can resume my normal activities, I'm going to finish my test with the mini install and if I managed to do what I want, I'll write a simple guide and add it to Lubuntu One Stop Thread :) if there will be more details then I'll write a new thread and then add it to LOST. :) On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just checked our Minimal Install guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall. I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update Manager and Preferred Applications. As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they can't use Ubiquity. Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their desktops almost have nothing. Regards, TRẦN Duy Hùng http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the other stuff anyway? I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes. -- Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki
As you know, before we were adopted, we only had 'home spun' disks... The Full On Ubiquity was always to be the official one, but not a great deal of help for lower spec computers. The argument did go up as to why they botched a bug by requiring 2 X Ram instead of simply putting your patch in. You do not know how much this idiotic 'fix' caused, but we were not adopted at that point and could not log it as a regression. Since then the bug has remained, it does, Jared, really grate me as it was such a simple fix to bloody make and get Ubiquity running at a decent speed. To keep the peace, we were told to accept the alternate iso which does not require Ubiquity. As the Canonical team are now also trying to build PPC / Mac-Intel / ARM etc. I do ask what are the more important cases for the kernel team and also the QA / Testing team to prioritise? Julien has already made it quite clear that any group that wish support for a particular chip set Get a testing team together we will do it. No decent testing team == no support. Oh, does this sound backwards?... Until we have people to test, we simply cannot test... So go get your friends. @ QA - do tell me where I am wrong in terms of bodies to test. Regards, Phill. On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just checked our Minimal Install guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall. I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update Manager and Preferred Applications. As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they can't use Ubiquity. Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their desktops almost have nothing. Regards, TRẦN Duy Hùng http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the other stuff anyway? I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes. -- Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:03:38 -0500 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Stephen, I found that to enter GRUB you simply press and hold SHIFT. I added the parameter to the end of the the boot command and booted they system and it did the same thing.Lubuntu splash and then the screen goes blank. Tim On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Smally eco.st...@fastwebnet.itwrote: On 11/17/2011 04:49 AM, Tim Bernhard wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm, trying to resurrect an old Sony Vaio PCG-9401. This thing is an old Windose ME machine that came with AMD processor, 12GB hard drive and 64mb of RAM. I had a 128mb stick of pc-100 so I dropped that in to bring the RAM up to 192mb. I installed Lubuntu using the mini.iso. It took a while but the install completed. The problem is that after rebooting the system I get the following message: vt596_smbus :00:07.4: SMBUS: Error: Host SMBus controller not enabled! - upgrade BIOS or use force=1 After that, the Lubuntu splash screen is briefly displayed and then the screen goes blank. Any ideas? Thanks, Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp try to enter into the grub (you have to hit some keys if it doesn't show up automatically, something like Canc, google for it), go on the line that says L/Ubuntu * with Linux * (* means the version of the system, 11.10 with linux 3 or so on), enter e (to edit the entry) and add force=1 after quiet splash. this because the message says: upgrade BIOS or use force=1 This mean that you grub is too old for Lubuntu, you have to upgrade it, or you can add force=1 at the start to avoid the problem. if it works i will tell you how to make it persistent (by default when you edit an entry the changes you made aren't persistent). Stephen Smally P.S. sorry for the different font It would appear there isn't really a solution for this problem, from what I've found googling. :( To cheer you up though, todays xkcd http://xkcd.org/ :) My only sugestion is to try the alternate install, rather than the minimal method. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote: It would appear there isn't really a solution for this problem, from what I've found googling. :( To cheer you up though, todays xkcd http://xkcd.org/ :) My only sugestion is to try the alternate install, rather than the minimal method. -- Yorvyk Thanks, I ended up using Wary (from Puppy Linux) and was able to get it running. Not the most elegant solution, but it works. It will probably never get used anyway. My friend just wanted something for his father to use when he hangs around his office. He was going to buy something else so I decided to see if I could get Lubuntu on it. Thanks for the XKCD too. Perfect! I love this one: http://xkcd.com/149/ :) Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem
On 11/17/2011 04:49 AM, Tim Bernhard wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm, trying to resurrect an old Sony Vaio PCG-9401. This thing is an old Windose ME machine that came with AMD processor, 12GB hard drive and 64mb of RAM. I had a 128mb stick of pc-100 so I dropped that in to bring the RAM up to 192mb. I installed Lubuntu using the mini.iso. It took a while but the install completed. The problem is that after rebooting the system I get the following message: vt596_smbus :00:07.4: SMBUS: Error: Host SMBus controller not enabled! - upgrade BIOS or use force=1 After that, the Lubuntu splash screen is briefly displayed and then the screen goes blank. Any ideas? Thanks, Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp try to enter into the grub (you have to hit some keys if it doesn't show up automatically, something like Canc, google for it), go on the line that says L/Ubuntu * with Linux * (* means the version of the system, 11.10 with linux 3 or so on), enter e (to edit the entry) and add force=1 after quiet splash. this because the message says: upgrade BIOS or use force=1 This mean that you grub is too old for Lubuntu, you have to upgrade it, or you can add force=1 at the start to avoid the problem. if it works i will tell you how to make it persistent (by default when you edit an entry the changes you made aren't persistent). Stephen Smally P.S. sorry for the different font ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem
Thanks Stephen, I found that to enter GRUB you simply press and hold SHIFT. I added the parameter to the end of the the boot command and booted they system and it did the same thing.Lubuntu splash and then the screen goes blank. Tim On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Smally eco.st...@fastwebnet.itwrote: On 11/17/2011 04:49 AM, Tim Bernhard wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm, trying to resurrect an old Sony Vaio PCG-9401. This thing is an old Windose ME machine that came with AMD processor, 12GB hard drive and 64mb of RAM. I had a 128mb stick of pc-100 so I dropped that in to bring the RAM up to 192mb. I installed Lubuntu using the mini.iso. It took a while but the install completed. The problem is that after rebooting the system I get the following message: vt596_smbus :00:07.4: SMBUS: Error: Host SMBus controller not enabled! - upgrade BIOS or use force=1 After that, the Lubuntu splash screen is briefly displayed and then the screen goes blank. Any ideas? Thanks, Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp try to enter into the grub (you have to hit some keys if it doesn't show up automatically, something like Canc, google for it), go on the line that says L/Ubuntu * with Linux * (* means the version of the system, 11.10 with linux 3 or so on), enter e (to edit the entry) and add force=1 after quiet splash. this because the message says: upgrade BIOS or use force=1 This mean that you grub is too old for Lubuntu, you have to upgrade it, or you can add force=1 at the start to avoid the problem. if it works i will tell you how to make it persistent (by default when you edit an entry the changes you made aren't persistent). Stephen Smally P.S. sorry for the different font ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem
Hi Everyone, I'm, trying to resurrect an old Sony Vaio PCG-9401. This thing is an old Windose ME machine that came with AMD processor, 12GB hard drive and 64mb of RAM. I had a 128mb stick of pc-100 so I dropped that in to bring the RAM up to 192mb. I installed Lubuntu using the mini.iso. It took a while but the install completed. The problem is that after rebooting the system I get the following message: vt596_smbus :00:07.4: SMBUS: Error: Host SMBus controller not enabled! - upgrade BIOS or use force=1 After that, the Lubuntu splash screen is briefly displayed and then the screen goes blank. Any ideas? Thanks, Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
Hiyas gang, can some confirm the md5 is 1932a563c99ae40721d1f37c3804c372 for alternate disk, as the md5 checksum link reports a 404 error. head_injury has the documentation done over at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall Again, any input on this would be welcome. Once I have couple of confirmations that things are okay, I'll release the little bugga into the world :D thanks, Phill. On 22 October 2010 23:13, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:18:58 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Cheers, As you know I'm severely hampered by the fact that only a basic 9.10 ubuntu can 'see' my 3G device, as the pub is moving company I cannot yet order my broadband connection. It's very frustrating, but life goes on. If you can scribble up a set of notes similar to what I put over at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall I'll tidy them all up and get it all posted and documented. Boot from disk, follow instructions :D -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
Dropbox link with md5 checksum is now available, maybe it was some kind of short outage. The checksum is correct. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Hiyas gang, can some confirm the md5 is 1932a563c99ae40721d1f37c3804c372 for alternate disk, as the md5 checksum link reports a 404 error. head_injury has the documentation done over at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall Again, any input on this would be welcome. Once I have couple of confirmations that things are okay, I'll release the little bugga into the world :D thanks, Phill. On 22 October 2010 23:13, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:18:58 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Cheers, As you know I'm severely hampered by the fact that only a basic 9.10 ubuntu can 'see' my 3G device, as the pub is moving company I cannot yet order my broadband connection. It's very frustrating, but life goes on. If you can scribble up a set of notes similar to what I put over at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall I'll tidy them all up and get it all posted and documented. Boot from disk, follow instructions :D -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:12:17 +0100 Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 18:48:10 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Hiyas gang, can some confirm the md5 is 1932a563c99ae40721d1f37c3804c372 for alternate disk, as the md5 checksum link reports a 404 error. head_injury has the documentation done over at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall Again, any input on this would be welcome. Once I have couple of confirmations that things are okay, I'll release the little bugga into the world :D The little bugga has been available as a torrent for 20hrs now, thanks to Michał Ćwikliński http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-detailsid=807f8f3c72e0a179c3e23cf0c42f68007b2a2901 If you want to add that to the wiki. The lowest amount of RAM I got it to run on was 80KiB. It wouldn’t run on 64KiB, that may the the particular machine though. I’m trying on another machine now. That should have been MiB not KiB. The wiki states that 160MiB is the minimum for Ubiquity, this is true if you have a separate video card. For a machine with on-board video more memory is required, probably 192 MiB. The same appears to be true for the alternate installer. 80MiB with on-board video and 64 MiB with a separate card, although that is still running after 4hrs! -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
Hiyas, quietly curses and shouts expletives. the link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso It's being tested now. Regards, Phill. On 21 October 2010 00:02, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Oops, my bad http://phillw.net/lubuntu10.10-alternate.iso http://phillw.net/lubuntu10.10-alternate.isoRegards, Phill. On 20 October 2010 18:31, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:22:27 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Hiyas Gang, the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks out okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer) The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso If some one could confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which I'll transfer over once I know the iso works. Wonderful! :D ...apart from the links not working :( -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
Once you or (head_injury confirms that it is okay on his VB installation), I'll release it into the wild and ask that it gets torrented up. Until then it is only on my server area. iWeb are okay with me hosting beta stuff for the lubuntu project, but obviously I do not to push my good will with them. Regards, Phill. On 22 October 2010 12:41, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:55:52 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Hiyas, quietly curses and shouts expletives. the link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso It's being tested now. Downloading now, thanks Phill. Is there a torrent for this? -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:27:54 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Once you or (head_injury confirms that it is okay on his VB installation), I'll release it into the wild and ask that it gets torrented up. Until then it is only on my server area. iWeb are okay with me hosting beta stuff for the lubuntu project, but obviously I do not to push my good will with them. It installs and functions :) Not tried it out fully yet but, can’t see any obvious problems. Will give it a through(ish) going over tonight and tomorrow and let all involved know how it goes. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
Cheers, As you know I'm severely hampered by the fact that only a basic 9.10 ubuntu can 'see' my 3G device, as the pub is moving company I cannot yet order my broadband connection. It's very frustrating, but life goes on. If you can scribble up a set of notes similar to what I put over at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall I'll tidy them all up and get it all posted and documented. Thanks, Phill. On 22 October 2010 20:39, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:27:54 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Once you or (head_injury confirms that it is okay on his VB installation), I'll release it into the wild and ask that it gets torrented up. Until then it is only on my server area. iWeb are okay with me hosting beta stuff for the lubuntu project, but obviously I do not to push my good will with them. It installs and functions :) Not tried it out fully yet but, can’t see any obvious problems. Will give it a through(ish) going over tonight and tomorrow and let all involved know how it goes. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
Hiyas Gang, the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks out okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer) The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso If some one could confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which I'll transfer over once I know the iso works. Regards, Phill. On 19 October 2010 09:49, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote: Am 19.10.2010 01:07, schrieb Phill Whiteside: Crikey, Leszek, that's an awesome amount of work. If you and julien agree on it, then I would be more than happy to host it. I agree ;) Here is the first still unoffical Lubuntu 10.10 Alternate Install CD. It is a little bit bigger as I put some language files more in there and included lxkeymap, lxproxy aswell as lubuntu-control-center. They won't install by default. By default only lubuntu-desktop and its dependencies are installed. There is only one known bug so far, I forgot to change the date in the label of the CD ISO Image so it still claims the 7ths of October to be its build date. :P Here is the ISO Image (669 MB) : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso and the MD5: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5 Please be aware that dropbox will block the file if too much traffic is produced. Therefor I only send this mail to you Phill Julien not the list so that Julien has time to decide and you (Phill) the time for download and then putting in on your server ;) Thanks, Phill. On 18 October 2010 17:24, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote: Am 18.10.2010 15:25, schrieb Julien Lavergne: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:59:06 +0200 Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de leszek.les...@web.de wrote: I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a repo. Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system, because it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel process which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version of yours. I even checked the modification you made but cant find the error. I'm not sure I made the correct fix for tasksel, it probably needs another fix somewhere. But I interesting to know how you made the initial CD, because I only find how doing an iso with squash filesystem, but not with .deb packages. Ok I see it wasn't quite the right fixes you made as the last line in lubuntu-desktop from the ubuntu-tasks folder contains Packages: task-fields This would as far as I understand connect to the ubuntu server and search for a corresponding task. But there isn't one. Packages: list lubuntu-desktop works much better and fixes the error I got before. To create the CD I basically took the xubuntu alternate cd. Then I copied over the whole ISO and put it into one directory(lets call it cd-img). Replaced the isolinux folder with the fancy isolinux folder from the livecd with the cool looking logo png and where you can set language with F2 and with F3 the keymap and so on. The first thing that I did afterwards was taking the xubuntu.preseed file that ships with the xubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso and changing it basically from xubuntu-desktop to lubuntu-desktop(I know there is a lubuntu.seed file on the live cd but I took the one from the other alternate cds as they were more entries and I didn't want to mess ups things). Then I put this preseed file back to my copy of the minimal install cd(so the cd-img folder) into the preseed folder. I did change the txt.cfg file in isolinux so that the default option would boot with the preseed file option of the lubuntu.seed . Then the little bit more tricky part create a repository. For creating this repository I know that I need every package that needs to be installed when installing lubuntu-desktop. Every means every , so also xorg and those other stuffs. As I had a Minimal Install ISO aswell I simply created a minimal installed cli only system in virtualbox and apt-get install(ed) lubuntu-desktop. All the required deb files are stored in /var/cache/apt/. The only thing to do now is getting those deb files outside the virtual machine. Then there is a cool package called apt-move which is pretty handy as it can automatically copy or move those deb files in a repository like hierarchical folder view. So it will create automatically the structure of a repository that you need, by putting in lubuntu-desktop for example in a pool/l/lubuntu-meta/lubuntu-desktop_xXX-i386.deb file/folder structure. By default this repository structure will be put into /mirrors/debian so you need root right to run apt-move. But I guess the default folder is changeable I just was to lazy to read the
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:22:27 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Hiyas Gang, the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks out okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer) The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso If some one could confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which I'll transfer over once I know the iso works. Wonderful! :D ...apart from the links not working :( -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
Oops, my bad http://phillw.net/lubuntu10.10-alternate.iso http://phillw.net/lubuntu10.10-alternate.isoRegards, Phill. On 20 October 2010 18:31, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:22:27 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Hiyas Gang, the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks out okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer) The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso If some one could confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which I'll transfer over once I know the iso works. Wonderful! :D ...apart from the links not working :( -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:59:06 +0200 Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote: I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a repo. Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system, because it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel process which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version of yours. I even checked the modification you made but cant find the error. I'm not sure I made the correct fix for tasksel, it probably needs another fix somewhere. But I interesting to know how you made the initial CD, because I only find how doing an iso with squash filesystem, but not with .deb packages. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
Am 18.10.2010 15:25, schrieb Julien Lavergne: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:59:06 +0200 Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote: I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a repo. Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system, because it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel process which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version of yours. I even checked the modification you made but cant find the error. I'm not sure I made the correct fix for tasksel, it probably needs another fix somewhere. But I interesting to know how you made the initial CD, because I only find how doing an iso with squash filesystem, but not with .deb packages. Ok I see it wasn't quite the right fixes you made as the last line in lubuntu-desktop from the ubuntu-tasks folder contains Packages: task-fields This would as far as I understand connect to the ubuntu server and search for a corresponding task. But there isn't one. Packages: list lubuntu-desktop works much better and fixes the error I got before. To create the CD I basically took the xubuntu alternate cd. Then I copied over the whole ISO and put it into one directory(lets call it cd-img). Replaced the isolinux folder with the fancy isolinux folder from the livecd with the cool looking logo png and where you can set language with F2 and with F3 the keymap and so on. The first thing that I did afterwards was taking the xubuntu.preseed file that ships with the xubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso and changing it basically from xubuntu-desktop to lubuntu-desktop(I know there is a lubuntu.seed file on the live cd but I took the one from the other alternate cds as they were more entries and I didn't want to mess ups things). Then I put this preseed file back to my copy of the minimal install cd(so the cd-img folder) into the preseed folder. I did change the txt.cfg file in isolinux so that the default option would boot with the preseed file option of the lubuntu.seed . Then the little bit more tricky part create a repository. For creating this repository I know that I need every package that needs to be installed when installing lubuntu-desktop. Every means every , so also xorg and those other stuffs. As I had a Minimal Install ISO aswell I simply created a minimal installed cli only system in virtualbox and apt-get install(ed) lubuntu-desktop. All the required deb files are stored in /var/cache/apt/. The only thing to do now is getting those deb files outside the virtual machine. Then there is a cool package called apt-move which is pretty handy as it can automatically copy or move those deb files in a repository like hierarchical folder view. So it will create automatically the structure of a repository that you need, by putting in lubuntu-desktop for example in a pool/l/lubuntu-meta/lubuntu-desktop_xXX-i386.deb file/folder structure. By default this repository structure will be put into /mirrors/debian so you need root right to run apt-move. But I guess the default folder is changeable I just was to lazy to read the manpage ;) Then we copy over the pool directory to the cd-img folder. Again me as being lazy I didn't overwrite all the packages that where already in the xubuntu pool directory (they can be deleted later I guess or you can delete the whole pool directory with the exception of the udeb files. So 'find . -name *.udeb' and copy over all udeb files as they are necessary for the installer). Then we have the pool directory almost ready. I had to repackage the ubuntu-keyring package as I don't have the private key to sign the cd and the new repository with official ubuntu keyring. So I downloaded the keyring and added my own private key to it. This step is really important because otherwise the installer won't install if the repo isn't signed. So I repackaged this package and put it into the pool structure unter u/ubuntu-keyring I think it was. That should be all for the pool directory. Basically we need the Release and Packages.gz file for the repository now and sign it. So I created a release.conf file ( storing the basic info like distro name , codename and main + universe repos) and a config file you can see here to get an Idea how it works: http://pastebin.ca/1965874 This is basically the file that will scan the pool files and create the Packages.gz for each repo (means main and universe). As you can see here you need also some override files that you can get from here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/indices As the above config file will only create a package listing for debs I created also a config which scans all the udebs. Here is the config: http://pastebin.ca/1965876 As you can see I basically only replaced the deb with udeb :) Now we have all the config files lets build the packages and release files with: apt-ftparchive -c /path/to/release.conf generate ../apt-ftparchive/apt-ftparchive-deb.conf apt-ftparchive -c
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:26:31 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Hi Julien, I know you are always pressed for time, but we could really do with a text based install for lubuntu. A couple of people on earlier use PCMIA cards from their elderly laptops for ethernet and the mini-iso does not see them correctly. Well, it's not as easy as creating the normal iso. I didn't find any useful documentation about this. I'll continue to work on this, but I need to focus on Natty developpement now. At least, the minimal install can do the same job. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.
Hi Julien, I know you are always pressed for time, but we could really do with a text based install for lubuntu. A couple of people on earlier use PCMIA cards from their elderly laptops for ethernet and the mini-iso does not see them correctly. Hi Gang, I do know it is possible to make a CD with the lubuntu packages on, but I lack the technical knowledge to do this. So, if anyone has any ideas of a work around for people with 128MB RAM and need the system installed before it can see the PCMIA card I'm all ears. We knew this was coming, my mini-iso version was just a patch to get as many working as I could. I lack the expertise to take it further. Regards, Phill. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install
On Wed, 12 May 2010 00:03:06 +0100 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: I know that you do not have time to make a minimal iso, however having chatted to some 'nice people' it appears that I (or anyone) should actually be able to do it. It's called remastersys and how it works is at http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/remastersys I've no need to bore you with how it works, simply put - It takes your installed system and creates an iso with an md5 checksum. Thanks for the help. But I think it's too much efforts for us now, as I would like to introduce some facilities for minimal installation. Also, I can re-use my build system for iso to make a minimal one, it's far easier and safe than remasterys the current one. I can't stop you to try this, but if you can wait a week (the time for me to go back to home), it will be available. On a slightly different note, but to save me posting another email to you. I was asking ibuclaw about why the cd would fail self test, yet pass the other md5checksum test. Ibuclaw asked when you would be about, he was running through some stuff with me but it was way over my technical knowledge. He said that he could have a chat with you. As you know, Iain has already provided one patch to lubuntu (pcmanfm) and I count him as one of the 'nice people' I chat to on the 'official' ubuntu area. If you keep an eye on ##ufbt you will be able to see if he is logged on (yes, I have been given permission for you to stalk him on there). I can't really help until I'll be back home, I'll contact him after that. Best regards, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install
Hi Phill, if you in a desperate need of a minimal install cd I can build one. But how should it look like ? A ubuntu minimal CD with all the deb packages using debian installer ? Or a minimal LiveCD with only lxde as a desktop that allows you to install the system with a cli installer ? The first one is a little pain of work. The second one not so much, as I already have a cli installer written for zevenos-neptune (debian based) that will also work flawessly on lubuntu if the dialog package is installed. And btw. I have build my own remastersys kind of tool called remaster-kit that also works flawlessly (yes I had bad experiences with remastersys) with lubuntu (as long as you know something about cli and chroot usage). As it is a kind of dry topic. I made a small video showing both tools. Here is the link: http://blip.tv/file/3612824 (Including a link for the source and deb) All in all I would think making a 'real' minimal InstallCD might be a better solution as it supports more installation methods and special configurations for LVM and encryption. Have fun ;) Am 11.05.2010 23:03, schrieb Phillip Whiteside: Hi Julien, I know that you do not have time to make a minimal iso, however having chatted to some 'nice people' it appears that I (or anyone) should actually be able to do it. It's called remastersys and how it works is at http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/remastersys I've no need to bore you with how it works, simply put - It takes your installed system and creates an iso with an md5 checksum. Once you have (all) stopped laughing, according to the wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remastersys You can make it CLI install. So, I'd follow the minimal install instructions onto a partition then make the iso (in theory). Well, I'm willing to give it a try if you think it may be of help. On a slightly different note, but to save me posting another email to you. I was asking ibuclaw about why the cd would fail self test, yet pass the other md5checksum test. Ibuclaw asked when you would be about, he was running through some stuff with me but it was way over my technical knowledge. He said that he could have a chat with you. As you know, Iain has already provided one patch to lubuntu (pcmanfm) and I count him as one of the 'nice people' I chat to on the 'official' ubuntu area. If you keep an eye on ##ufbt you will be able to see if he is logged on (yes, I have been given permission for you to stalk him on there). Regards, Phill. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install
Hi Julien, I know that you do not have time to make a minimal iso, however having chatted to some 'nice people' it appears that I (or anyone) should actually be able to do it. It's called remastersys and how it works is at http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/remastersys I've no need to bore you with how it works, simply put - It takes your installed system and creates an iso with an md5 checksum. Once you have (all) stopped laughing, according to the wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remastersys You can make it CLI install. So, I'd follow the minimal install instructions onto a partition then make the iso (in theory). Well, I'm willing to give it a try if you think it may be of help. On a slightly different note, but to save me posting another email to you. I was asking ibuclaw about why the cd would fail self test, yet pass the other md5checksum test. Ibuclaw asked when you would be about, he was running through some stuff with me but it was way over my technical knowledge. He said that he could have a chat with you. As you know, Iain has already provided one patch to lubuntu (pcmanfm) and I count him as one of the 'nice people' I chat to on the 'official' ubuntu area. If you keep an eye on ##ufbt you will be able to see if he is logged on (yes, I have been given permission for you to stalk him on there). Regards, Phill. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install
Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 15:47 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit : Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI installer needs. http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106 Thanks. You should remove the use of sudo -i, running a shell with root is not a good idea, especially for beginner. After this, it's ok to add it to the wiki :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install
Awesome! This will be most useful as I prepare legacy computers for giving to students. It fits our use case perfectly - we have plenty of bandwidth and a bunch of older computers we would like to give away. Thanks to Lubuntu, new life will be breathed into them! Thanks again. jeff elkner On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 15:47 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit : Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI installer needs. http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106 Thanks. You should remove the use of sudo -i, running a shell with root is not a good idea, especially for beginner. After this, it's ok to add it to the wiki :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 15:47 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit : Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI installer needs. http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106 Thanks. You should remove the use of sudo -i, running a shell with root is not a good idea, especially for beginner. I was told that if you were running several commands as sudo, adopting sudo -i was the correct way to do it. But, I will remove the sudo -i and put the sudo in front of each command. Phill. After this, it's ok to add it to the wiki :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
