Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
On 6 December 2011 06:37, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hai Charlie (and the rest), I think something went wrong with your reply so I forwarded to everyone again. @Scott K: I think it's a problem with using a lot of terms side-by-side and mixing things up even. As you can see, the page [1] Ubuntu uses is called Derivatives. However on that same page the officially recognized once are suddenly called flavor. In my humble opinion it's a more friendly term to use, but we should get some (dare I say it?) Unity in our naming scheme. It might have been my mistake, because the information [2] given by Kate apparently also talked about Flavors. But it's important everyone knows what the correct term is/should be. I hope this clears up some of the mess (originally created to ask for help on getting links to the meeting minutes). I can see how there is some confusion here. I see them as: * Favors - community development distributions based on Ubuntu, but part of the Ubuntu project (e.g. Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu). * Derivatives - any other project based on Ubuntu but not part of the Ubuntu project (e.g. Mint). I think we should get some clarity on this and communicate this outwards. Kate (CCed) - is this something can help with? Jono -- Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager www.ubuntu.com / www.jonobacon.org www.identi.ca/jonobacon www.twitter.com/jonobacon ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
On 12/06/2011 12:52 AM, Amber Graner wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and Ubuntu Server. I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word is derivative correct. Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others to change this. Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as well as let you all know what we (the news were doing). Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. It's like you are beating up the messenger. We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to call them. We were asking for your help and instead you complain about the word. Seriously? Because I find the term offensive. I bring it up whenever I see it used. I even said that I recognized he was only using a term others use. Why should I not bring it up? You're right you have the right to your opinion; however, its the tone of your email (just like this one) that comes across has hostile and confrontational. I apologize if misunderstood. It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion. If you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know? Yes, but we don't make the names up, as you know. So there is no sense hashing that out here. :-) However, because you brought it up I will forward your issues onto Kate Stewart. Thanks for bringing to our attention. I am hostile to the term as applied to Ubuntu flavors developed within the Ubuntu project. I'm not hostile to any of the people involved in the discussion. I'm sorry I communicated it in a way that felt hostile to people. Scott K ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and Ubuntu Server. I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word is derivative correct. Scott K On 12/05/2011 09:35 PM, Chris wrote: Hello everyone, I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone about the new section on the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to receive every week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is all to more acknowledgement of the hard work everyone in the derivatives branches are doing. If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news. akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions. With metta, Chris ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and Ubuntu Server. I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word is derivative correct. Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others to change this. Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as well as let you all know what we (the news were doing). Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. It's like you are beating up the messenger. We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to call them. We were asking for your help and instead you complain about the word. Seriously? Cheers, Amber Scott K On 12/05/2011 09:35 PM, Chris wrote: Hello everyone, I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone about the new section on the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to receive every week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is all to more acknowledgement of the hard work everyone in the derivatives branches are doing. If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news. akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions. With metta, Chris -- Amber Graner//akgraner// http://akgraner.com/ http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu Just me Amber. There are lots of Linux users who don't care how the kernel works, but only want to use it. That is a tribute to how good Linux is. Linus Torvalds ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Steve Stalcup stalc...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 5, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and Ubuntu Server. I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word is derivative correct. Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others to change this. Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as well as let you all know what we (the news were doing). Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. It's like you are beating up the messenger. We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to call them. We were asking for your help and instead you complain about the word. Seriously? Because I find the term offensive. I bring it up whenever I see it used. I even said that I recognized he was only using a term others use. Why should I not bring it up? It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion. If you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know? Scott K This is an insult, tbh [0]. But since when does Canonical care about any other flavor? [0] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives I am sorry you feel this way. I have CC'd Jono Bacon into this conversation b/c we on UWN are community members who are just wanting to bring the news to the masses. I can't speak for what Canonical does or doesn't do and I don't want this thread to be about anything other than what it was originally intended which was to ask for your help in making sure we could bring the community news about each of these distributions and make the community at large aware of the various meetings etc. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers, Amber -- Amber Graner//akgraner// http://akgraner.com/ http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu Just me Amber. There are lots of Linux users who don't care how the kernel works, but only want to use it. That is a tribute to how good Linux is. Linus Torvalds ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
