Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-12 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Yes, I do remember but have you seen the long list of dependences that come with it? :) I'm afraid with 242MB RAM, I may not get what I really want - just a thought. On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM, leszek.les...@web.de wrote: As I mentioned it before ksysguard is the only tool that gives

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-12 Thread leszek.lesner
What has the ram size todo with the harddisk space the app and it dependencies use ?-- Gesendet von meinem HP VeerAm 12.11.2011 21:57 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com: Yes, I do remember but have you seen the long list of dependences that come with it? :)Im afraid with 242MB RAM, I may

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-12 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
With LXTask and GNOME System Monitor opened along side with a browser, that was already slow. I haven't tried the app you suggested so I was JUST wondering, that is all :) On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:01 AM, leszek.les...@web.de wrote: What has the ram size todo with the harddisk space the app and

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-10 Thread Michael Rawson
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:03:14 -0500 James King jlki...@gmail.com wrote: What are the chances of having an installer that gives you the choice to install either one? Maybe even add Midori to the mix? It doesn't matter to me either way: both are fast enough on my netbook and each continues to

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-10 Thread Chris
Maybe it should be a bug/feature for ubiquity? Just an idea. With metta, Chris On Nov 10, 2011 5:37 PM, Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:03:14 -0500 James King jlki...@gmail.com wrote: What are the chances of having an installer that gives you the choice

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread Chris
Bonjour Jean-Pierre, I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3 4 and 256 to 512 ram. It's like Ali said, it's just a script which does some automated actions, like see what the CPU usage and MEM

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread
On 11/09/2011 01:55 AM, Chris wrote: P.S.: I still need to look into the performance test-suite of Tom's Hardware what that does exactly Not sure about Tom's but I couldn't find any really good solutions for benchmarking (I was sniffing around OpenBenchmarking) browsers outside of silly stuff

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 09.11.2011 10:55, schrieb Chris: Bonjour Jean-Pierre, I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3 4 and 256 to 512 ram. It's like Ali said, it's just a script which does some automated actions, like

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 9 November 2011 06:03, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote: In my view Chromium offers still better features than firefox. Just look at the HTML5 capabilities it just beats firefox here with in my view important things just like HTML5 videoplayback (H264 is supported) Google is

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread A. Andjelkovic
Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep such personal opinions out of this discussion. I think we can all agree that both Firefox and Chromium are rich in features. We are simply trying to find out which browser, out of Firefox and Chromium, use the least resources.

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread Gabriel Salles
Should we consider Epiphany too or it is not stable enough yet? Gabriel Salles 2011/11/9 A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.com Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep such personal opinions out of this discussion. I think we can all agree that both Firefox and

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread b g
This all sounds like personal preference and subjective arguments to me. After all, users can install whatever browser they desire. Personally, I wish Lubuntu would boot as fast as it used to. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:55 AM, A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.comwrote: Let's not start a war

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep such personal opinions out of this discussion.I think we can all agree that both Firefox and Chromium are rich in features. We are simply trying to find out which browser, out of Firefox and Chromium, use the least

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread A. Andjelkovic
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Gabriel Salles gabrielper...@gmail.com wrote: Should we consider Epiphany too or it is not stable enough yet? Gabriel Salles Quoting Julien: We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic: Let's not think in terms of This is what I would prefer but rather This is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer. Isn't that the same ? I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM. I guess that is a low machine. If

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread Tim Bernhard
Again, what is the goal of this? If the goal is to find the lighter of the two, will Lubuntu test and choose the lightest with each release? Does Lubuntu want to be constantly changing browsers? Dose Lubuntu care if it's open source? I agree it should be one of the two mentioned. I think

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Ok, on the PC where I'm planning to do the test, the reading of both LXTask and GNOME System Monitor are equal now :) http://i39.tinypic.com/10ym7me.jpg I don't know what is wrong with my Lubuntu 11.04? it's acting crazy recently. Will try to do the test today and will let you know :) On Wed,

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread Michael Rawson
On 09/11/11 16:30, b g wrote: This all sounds like personal preference and subjective arguments to me. After all, users can install whatever browser they desire. Personally, I wish Lubuntu would boot as fast as it used to. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:55 AM, A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.com

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Guys, With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more? I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all but we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder voice IMHO. I do believe that

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-09 Thread James King
What are the chances of having an installer that gives you the choice to install either one? Maybe even add Midori to the mix? It doesn't matter to me either way: both are fast enough on my netbook and each continues to improve. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/11/8 amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com Guys, I was wondering if someone has noticed that LXTask actually shows +100MB usage more than System Monitor and Conky so what is going on? I have System Monitor installed on Lubutnu 11.04 (was testing something) and Conky as well. While each of

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread Benny Hult
Please use command 'free -m' to see RAM usage. The thing that interests you most is buffers/cache and used.Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset kirjoitti 8.11.2011 14:58: 2011/11/8 amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com Guys, I was wondering if someone has noticed that LXTask actually shows +100MB usage more

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread Chris
Aloha Benny, The command you are using isn't very accurate to only chromium-browser/firefox. You'd need to run it twice (before and during the test) to get a number on what chromium or ff is using. Therefor using a method the pulls in these numbers automatically by process id's or similar.

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
It's true that I have both Ubuntu 11.04 (which I'll get rid of soon) and Lubuntu 11.04 installed but just to be extra clear, I'm just using Lubuntu 11.04 as I'm writing this. I have LXTask (installed by default) and I have installed recently System Monitor too. The figures are not the same. If

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3 4 and 256 to 512 ram. Ps: Ali, on my new machine i have ubuntu with lubuntu-desktop installed... readings of both monitors are different, that's what i was telling

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread
On 11/8/11 9:43 AM, Chris wrote: That kill -n command only kills the different processes or tabs in chromium (haven't tested it on ff yet), but not the window itself. Maybe something like killall chromium-browser will work, but we'd need to figure out if that is necessary? Worked for me! Of

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread
On 11/8/11 2:26 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: Ps: Ali, on my new machine i have ubuntu with lubuntu-desktop installed... readings of both monitors are different, that's what i was telling you :) ...which confirms my suspicion that Ubuntu + lubuntu-desktop even with the other

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3 4 and 256 to 512 ram. My machine is P4 @3GHz - 1M Cache. RAM is 512MB which can be dropped to 256MB. One browser will be running at one time and reading will

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread
On 11/08/2011 01:39 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: If some of you think conky is not accurate then let's ignore it but still, I'm having two different readings. As I understand it the top object in conky should be just like the command top. My experience says it's way off. Anyway, lovinglinux, an

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-07 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Guys, I was wondering if someone has noticed that LXTask actually shows +100MB usage more than System Monitor and Conky so what is going on? I have System Monitor installed on Lubutnu 11.04 (was testing something) and Conky as well. While each of System Monitor (GNOME APP) and Conky are showing

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Glenn de Groot
...@gmail.com CC: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium? Lubuntu 12.04 will be GTK3, and Chromium will still be GTK2. So, to the next version, Chromium will be heavyweight. I think most of the people agree that Midori isn't really

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 11/05/2011 05:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion. Tom's Hardware regularly benchmarks browsers, but sadly only under Windows and OS X. The relevant page (Memory

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Chris
Are those benchmarks from Tom's Hardware documented at all? Maybe we could rebuild those benchmarks for linux? When they are run on a low-spec machine then the results should be the same on other machines. User tests should be done to verify the results aren't just laboratory results. I might be

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Ali Linx
I have a P4 PC with 512MB RAM but I can drop that to 256. I'm ready for such tests ;) Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not only us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first from Julien and others about that. On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:45 AM,

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Ali Linx
I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another browser. But, this is my opinion : - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a system, and we really don't have

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread ohiomoto
I also agree. Both browsers are widely accepted work equally well for general use. I think the question should be a) do we want to pick one and stick with it for the sake of consistency or b) always choose the lightest of the two?Tim-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Nov 5, 2011 9:07 PM, Julien

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/06/2011 09:24 AM, Ali Linx a écrit : Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not only us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first from Julien and others about that. Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :) And also,

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Ali Linx
@ALI, is there a specific way that you're gonna make your benchmarks? I'm saying it so we can compare our results :) Whatever in your mind, let me know and I'll be more than glad to do it :) Don't have specific ideas at the time being. I'm willing to open many tabs and monitor that. Don't

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Ali Linx
Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :) And also, it's not only a question of popularity, we need to consider other aspects. Yes, I realized it could be a bad idea for now. Let's first decide, we as a team then we can go public. So, I just sent to Jean-Pierre. Any

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/06/2011 08:45 AM, Jonathan Marsden a écrit : If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium. Yes, it missed 2 points : - memory management on Linux (we can't rely on Windows one to do proper

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Thanks for the tests. You can also use about:memory of Chromium, to have a second source of information. Regards, Julien Lavergne Le 11/06/2011 04:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit : Just to get an idea, i've installed and run on my new laptop Epiphany 3.0.4, Firefox 7.0.1, Chromium

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread A. Andjelkovic
Just finished some testing using: Chromium 15.0.874.102 Firefox 7.0.1 No extensions, no tab history (tabs are clean). 1 tab (logged into gmail) chromium-browser: 50.1 + 24.7 + 9.1 = 83.9 MB firefox: 97.2 MB 2 tabs (logged into gmail, ubuntuforums.org) chromium-browser: 54.5 + 24.7 + 9.1 = 88.3

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread PCMan
Thank you for your test. I, however, have some doubt about the chromium test. Since midori, epiphany, and chromium all uses webkit, what makes so many differences? The most memory-demanding parts should be webkit and the graphics. I don't believe that the remaining parts can cause so much impact.

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/06/2011 05:52 PM, PCMan a écrit : Since midori, epiphany, and chromium all uses webkit, what makes so many differences? As far as I know, Chromium uses a patched webkit, that's probably why the tests could be different between midori, epiphany and chromium. Regards, Julien Lavergne

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Proposal for browser benchmarks: - First of all, run the browsers without any add-on - Take starts time - Watch lxtask for memory usage cpu. Inside Chromium about:memory shows the memory used by each browser running too. Htop? - Watch the general behaviour - Sites: youtube, gmail, google,

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Yorvyk
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:29:10 -0300 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal for browser benchmarks: - First of all, run the browsers without any add-on - Take starts time - Watch lxtask for memory usage cpu. Inside Chromium about:memory shows the memory used by each

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Gabriel Salles
*Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test?* To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot, open the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of CPU and RAM the *whole system* are using. Then you reboot and do the same

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Ali Linx
Just a question. Are we going to use some kind of tools/apps to do these tests? or we'll go for the manual approach? I mean just open LXTask and take the figures from there? I'm going to do a fresh install for Lubuntu 11.10, run apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade, install Firefox and make

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Chris
I was suggesting some kind of script, which could write the results in a log file. That way all the results will be the same on all machines and are objective. I will need some help in creating that script probably, but I'll be on IRC tomorrow and see what I can get bunged together. With metta,

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Jeremy Bicha
Make sure you are doing your tests with a clean browser profile. An easy, safe way to do that is to create a new user and login to the new account. Jeremy ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to :

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Yorvyk
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:51:02 -0400 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another browser. But, this is my opinion : - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong upstream and are well

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Yorvyk
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:02:45 -0500 Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Make sure you are doing your tests with a clean browser profile. An easy, safe way to do that is to create a new user and login to the new account. Also need to ensure everybody is using the same, and latest, versions of

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Chris
Chromium-browser automatically checks for the latest version AFAIK. And the script should be able to retrieve the latest version from the respective vendor sites. If the installed version (also callable from the system) doesn't match the latest version, then the test will fail. With metta, Chris

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread PCMan
If you can create such a script, it helps a lot in other areas, too. We can use it to do benchmark for other components of lubuntu as well. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: I was suggesting some kind of script, which could write the results in a log file.

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 6 November 2011 14:45, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: Chromium-browser automatically checks for the latest version AFAIK. And the script should be able to retrieve the latest version from the respective vendor sites. If the installed version (also callable from the system) doesn't match

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread
I like the idea of a script.. at least for most of it. The one bugaboo will be doing start up and shut down tests. Maybe we could use an appropriate signal? I'm not sure which one would be used to cleanly shutdown the program, but, for example, with SIGTERM we could do: kill -n 15 $(pidof

[Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread A. Andjelkovic
I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox in 12.04. I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth looking into. Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement. I do not have

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Stefano
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100 A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox in 12.04. I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth looking into. Firefox has reduced it's memory usage

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread James Gifford
I'm one of the target audiences for Lubuntu, mainly that of the underpowered netbook user. In my experience, Chromium is faster, until you start having a ton (read: 4-10) tabs open. At that point, Firefox starts to be better. Just my two cents. Cheers, James Gifford On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Hùng Trần
Hi, I prefer Chromium, it's good on old machine. Firefox is almost useless on my 256MB RAM laptop. Regards, TRẦN Duy Hùng http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/ On 5 November 2011 22:11, James Gifford ja...@jamesrgifford.com wrote: I'm one of the target audiences for Lubuntu, mainly that of the

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
If it's a vote... i would keep chromium. I always keep both browsers just in case, but my benchmarks on my old pentium 3 can't tell any real difference with just one tab opened. Start time, firefox seems a little bit slower to start. I'll run some benchmarks in the next days in the following

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread James Gifford
In fact, if we were really looking for a lightweight browser, might I suggest Midori?[1] It's a Webkit based browser, very lightweight on CPU/RAM. Cheers, James Gifford [1] https://launchpad.net/midori On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I prefer

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread James Gifford
Define ready to use - Midori might not have hit 1.0, but in the days where I come back from a walk around the block and Chromium's bumped another version number, that's hardly a way to measure things. If it came to a vote, I'd keep Chromium, it's stable, it works, and it's got a large upstream

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
In fact Midori is lighweight... but it crash just too often. That's what i mean by ready to use 2011/11/5 James Gifford ja...@jamesrgifford.com In fact, if we were really looking for a lightweight browser, might I suggest Midori?[1] It's a Webkit based browser, very lightweight on CPU/RAM.

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna)
Midori isn't a REAL optin right now, because of handling certificates and such things. A better option should be Arora. But Alexander is right. Firefox 7 has improved a lot with beta 7, and 8 is more promising. But I don't give any point until benchmark is provided.

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Yorvyk
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:18:12 +0700 Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I prefer Chromium, it's good on old machine. Firefox is almost useless on my 256MB RAM laptop. I've also found Chromium to be better than Firefox when there is less than 512 MiB of RAM. I haven't really

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Ali Linx
Keep Chromium. Users, as always, can install Firefox whenever they want. Firefox is my no.1 browser but I must have them both. I run both of them at the same time (FF and Chromium). Let's keep in mind that Chromium is lighter than Firefox. After all, Lubuntu is a lightweight distribution so

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Chris
Ali, It's been mentioned that the new FF7 is lightweight again, that's why it's been brought up. Personally I don't like FF, so personally I'd vote Chromium. But if with benchmarks/user tests it's proven that FF is the better one, than we should consider switching. With metta, Chris On Nov 5,

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Ali Linx
I love them both so whatever you guys decide, I don't mind. All what I care about is overall performance. I've noticed FF started to be lighter than before. I also noticed it takes so much from RAM with 3-4 opened tabs. Don't have time to test that for now. Again, whatever your choice will be,

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Gabriel Salles
Lubuntu 12.04 will be GTK3, and Chromium will still be GTK2. So, to the next version, Chromium will be heavyweight. I think most of the people agree that Midori isn't really an option, and I never tested Arora to give my opinion about this one. . In a way or another, I believe that the best option

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna)
Well, it's ont sure that Ubuntu istelf will remove all GTK2 packages and libraries completely. Shuttleworth was clear on it at UDS, because we're not going to be "cool and modern" but removing things that are really useful just because they're GTK2. I'm the first

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Arora is QT based... so i don't think lubuntu will ever adopt it :( ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help :

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi, I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another browser. But, this is my opinion : - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a system, and we really don't have

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread
On 11/5/11 5:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong upstream and are well maintained. agreed. i wouldn't suggest anything else tho there are other, more lightweight, options. Browser is a very important part of a system, and we