Yes, I do remember but have you seen the long list of dependences that come
with it? :)
I'm afraid with 242MB RAM, I may not get what I really want - just a
thought.
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM, leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
As I mentioned it before ksysguard is the only tool that gives
What has the ram size todo with the harddisk space the app and it dependencies use ?-- Gesendet von meinem HP VeerAm 12.11.2011 21:57 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com: Yes, I do remember but have you seen the long list of dependences that come with it? :)Im afraid with 242MB RAM, I may
With LXTask and GNOME System Monitor opened along side with a browser, that
was already slow. I haven't tried the app you suggested so I was JUST
wondering, that is all :)
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:01 AM, leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
What has the ram size todo with the harddisk space the app and
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:03:14 -0500
James King jlki...@gmail.com wrote:
What are the chances of having an installer that gives you the choice
to install either one? Maybe even add Midori to the mix? It doesn't
matter to me either way: both are fast enough on my netbook and each
continues to
Maybe it should be a bug/feature for ubiquity? Just an idea.
With metta, Chris
On Nov 10, 2011 5:37 PM, Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:03:14 -0500
James King jlki...@gmail.com wrote:
What are the chances of having an installer that gives you the choice
Bonjour Jean-Pierre,
I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the
machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3 4 and 256
to 512 ram.
It's like Ali said, it's just a script which does some automated actions,
like see what the CPU usage and MEM
On 11/09/2011 01:55 AM, Chris wrote:
P.S.: I still need to look into the performance test-suite of Tom's
Hardware what that does exactly
Not sure about Tom's but I couldn't find any really good solutions for
benchmarking (I was sniffing around OpenBenchmarking) browsers outside
of silly stuff
Am 09.11.2011 10:55, schrieb Chris:
Bonjour Jean-Pierre,
I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the
machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3 4 and 256
to 512 ram.
It's like Ali said, it's just a script which does some automated actions,
like
On 9 November 2011 06:03, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
In my view Chromium offers still better features than firefox. Just look
at the HTML5 capabilities it just beats firefox here with in my view
important things just like HTML5 videoplayback (H264 is supported)
Google is
Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep such
personal opinions out of this discussion.
I think we can all agree that both Firefox and Chromium are rich in
features.
We are simply trying to find out which browser, out of Firefox and
Chromium, use the least resources.
Should we consider Epiphany too or it is not stable enough yet?
Gabriel Salles
2011/11/9 A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.com
Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep
such personal opinions out of this discussion.
I think we can all agree that both Firefox and
This all sounds like personal preference and subjective arguments to me.
After all, users can install whatever browser they desire.
Personally, I wish Lubuntu would boot as fast as it used to.
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:55 AM, A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.comwrote:
Let's not start a war
Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep
such personal opinions out of this discussion.I think we can all agree that
both Firefox and Chromium are rich in features.
We are simply trying to find out which browser, out of Firefox and
Chromium, use the least
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Gabriel Salles gabrielper...@gmail.com wrote:
Should we consider Epiphany too or it is not stable enough yet?
Gabriel Salles
Quoting Julien:
We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a
strong upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a
Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
Let's not think in terms of This is what I would prefer but rather This
is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer.
Isn't that the same ?
I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
I guess that is a low machine.
If
Again, what is the goal of this? If the goal is to find the lighter of the
two, will Lubuntu test and choose the lightest with each release? Does
Lubuntu want to be constantly changing browsers? Dose Lubuntu care if it's
open source?
I agree it should be one of the two mentioned. I think
Ok, on the PC where I'm planning to do the test, the reading of both LXTask
and GNOME System Monitor are equal now :)
http://i39.tinypic.com/10ym7me.jpg
I don't know what is wrong with my Lubuntu 11.04? it's acting crazy
recently.
Will try to do the test today and will let you know :)
On Wed,
On 09/11/11 16:30, b g wrote:
This all sounds like personal preference and subjective arguments to
me. After all, users can install whatever browser they desire.
Personally, I wish Lubuntu would boot as fast as it used to.
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:55 AM, A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.com
Guys,
With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this
debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?
I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all
but we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder
voice IMHO. I do believe that
What are the chances of having an installer that gives you the choice
to install either one? Maybe even add Midori to the mix? It doesn't
matter to me either way: both are fast enough on my netbook and each
continues to improve.
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
2011/11/8 amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
Guys,
I was wondering if someone has noticed that LXTask actually shows +100MB
usage more than System Monitor and Conky so what is going on?
I have System Monitor installed on Lubutnu 11.04 (was testing something)
and Conky as well. While each of
Please use command 'free -m' to see RAM usage.
The thing that interests you most is buffers/cache and
used.Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset kirjoitti 8.11.2011 14:58:
2011/11/8 amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
Guys,
I was wondering if someone has noticed that LXTask actually shows
+100MB usage more
Aloha Benny,
The command you are using isn't very accurate to only
chromium-browser/firefox. You'd need to run it twice (before and during the
test) to get a number on what chromium or ff is using.
Therefor using a method the pulls in these numbers automatically by process
id's or similar.
It's true that I have both Ubuntu 11.04 (which I'll get rid of soon) and
Lubuntu 11.04 installed but just to be extra clear, I'm just using Lubuntu
11.04 as I'm writing this. I have LXTask (installed by default) and I have
installed recently System Monitor too.
The figures are not the same.
If
I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the
machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3 4 and 256
to 512 ram.
Ps: Ali, on my new machine i have ubuntu with lubuntu-desktop installed...
readings of both monitors are different, that's what i was telling
On 11/8/11 9:43 AM, Chris wrote:
That kill -n command only kills the different processes or tabs in
chromium (haven't tested it on ff yet), but not the window itself.
Maybe something like killall chromium-browser will work, but we'd need
to figure out if that is necessary?
Worked for me! Of
On 11/8/11 2:26 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote:
Ps: Ali, on my new machine i have ubuntu with lubuntu-desktop
installed... readings of both monitors are different, that's what i
was telling you :)
...which confirms my suspicion that Ubuntu + lubuntu-desktop even with
the other
I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the
machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3 4 and 256
to 512 ram.
My machine is P4 @3GHz - 1M Cache. RAM is 512MB which can be dropped to
256MB.
One browser will be running at one time and reading will
On 11/08/2011 01:39 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:
If some of you think conky is not accurate then let's ignore it but
still, I'm having two different readings.
As I understand it the top object in conky should be just like the
command top. My experience says it's way off.
Anyway, lovinglinux, an
Guys,
I was wondering if someone has noticed that LXTask actually shows +100MB
usage more than System Monitor and Conky so what is going on?
I have System Monitor installed on Lubutnu 11.04 (was testing something)
and Conky as well. While each of System Monitor (GNOME APP) and Conky are
showing
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Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Lubuntu 12.04 will be GTK3, and Chromium will still be GTK2. So, to the next
version, Chromium will be heavyweight. I think most of the people agree that
Midori isn't really
On 11/05/2011 05:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if
the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.
Tom's Hardware regularly benchmarks browsers, but sadly only under
Windows and OS X. The relevant page (Memory
Are those benchmarks from Tom's Hardware documented at all? Maybe we could
rebuild those benchmarks for linux? When they are run on a low-spec
machine then the results should be the same on other machines. User tests
should be done to verify the results aren't just laboratory results.
I might be
I have a P4 PC with 512MB RAM but I can drop that to 256.
I'm ready for such tests ;)
Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not only
us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first from
Julien and others about that.
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:45 AM,
I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another
browser. But, this is my opinion :
- We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong
upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a
system, and we really don't have
I also agree. Both browsers are widely accepted work equally well for general use. I think the question should be a) do we want to pick one and stick with it for the sake of consistency or b) always choose the lightest of the two?Tim-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Nov 5, 2011 9:07 PM, Julien
Le 11/06/2011 09:24 AM, Ali Linx a écrit :
Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not
only us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first
from Julien and others about that.
Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :)
And also,
@ALI, is there a specific way that you're gonna make your benchmarks?
I'm saying it so we can compare our results :)
Whatever in your mind, let me know and I'll be more than glad to do it :)
Don't have specific ideas at the time being. I'm willing to open many tabs
and monitor that. Don't
Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :)
And also, it's not only a question of popularity, we need to consider
other aspects.
Yes, I realized it could be a bad idea for now. Let's first decide, we as a
team then we can go public.
So, I just sent to Jean-Pierre. Any
Le 11/06/2011 08:45 AM, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu
on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium.
Yes, it missed 2 points :
- memory management on Linux (we can't rely on Windows one to do proper
Thanks for the tests. You can also use about:memory of Chromium, to have
a second source of information.
Regards,
Julien Lavergne
Le 11/06/2011 04:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
Just to get an idea, i've installed and run on my new laptop Epiphany
3.0.4, Firefox 7.0.1, Chromium
Just finished some testing using:
Chromium 15.0.874.102
Firefox 7.0.1
No extensions, no tab history (tabs are clean).
1 tab (logged into gmail)
chromium-browser: 50.1 + 24.7 + 9.1 = 83.9 MB
firefox: 97.2 MB
2 tabs (logged into gmail, ubuntuforums.org)
chromium-browser: 54.5 + 24.7 + 9.1 = 88.3
Thank you for your test.
I, however, have some doubt about the chromium test.
Since midori, epiphany, and chromium all uses webkit, what makes so many
differences?
The most memory-demanding parts should be webkit and the graphics.
I don't believe that the remaining parts can cause so much impact.
Le 11/06/2011 05:52 PM, PCMan a écrit :
Since midori, epiphany, and chromium all uses webkit, what makes so
many differences?
As far as I know, Chromium uses a patched webkit, that's probably why
the tests could be different between midori, epiphany and chromium.
Regards,
Julien Lavergne
Proposal for browser benchmarks:
- First of all, run the browsers without any add-on
- Take starts time
- Watch lxtask for memory usage cpu. Inside Chromium about:memory shows
the memory used by each browser running too. Htop?
- Watch the general behaviour
- Sites: youtube, gmail, google,
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:29:10 -0300
Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote:
Proposal for browser benchmarks:
- First of all, run the browsers without any add-on
- Take starts time
- Watch lxtask for memory usage cpu. Inside Chromium about:memory shows
the memory used by each
*Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test?*
To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot, open
the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of CPU
and RAM the *whole system* are using.
Then you reboot and do the same
Just a question.
Are we going to use some kind of tools/apps to do these tests? or we'll go
for the manual approach? I mean just open LXTask and take the figures from
there?
I'm going to do a fresh install for Lubuntu 11.10, run apt-get update and
then apt-get upgrade, install Firefox and make
I was suggesting some kind of script, which could write the results in a
log file. That way all the results will be the same on all machines and
are objective. I will need some help in creating that script probably, but
I'll be on IRC tomorrow and see what I can get bunged together.
With metta,
Make sure you are doing your tests with a clean browser profile. An
easy, safe way to do that is to create a new user and login to the new
account.
Jeremy
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:51:02 -0400
Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another
browser. But, this is my opinion :
- We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong
upstream and are well
Chromium-browser automatically checks for the latest version AFAIK. And the
script should be able to retrieve the latest version from the respective
vendor sites. If the installed version (also callable from the system)
doesn't match the latest version, then the test will fail.
With metta, Chris
If you can create such a script, it helps a lot in other areas, too.
We can use it to do benchmark for other components of lubuntu as well.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote:
I was suggesting some kind of script, which could write the results in a
log file.
On 6 November 2011 14:45, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote:
Chromium-browser automatically checks for the latest version AFAIK. And the
script should be able to retrieve the latest version from the respective
vendor sites. If the installed version (also callable from the system)
doesn't match
I like the idea of a script.. at least for most of it. The one bugaboo
will be doing start up and shut down tests. Maybe we could use an
appropriate signal? I'm not sure which one would be used to cleanly
shutdown the program, but, for example, with SIGTERM we could do:
kill -n 15 $(pidof
I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
in 12.04.
I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth
looking into.
Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
I do not have
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.com wrote:
I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
in 12.04.
I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth
looking into.
Firefox has reduced it's memory usage
I'm one of the target audiences for Lubuntu, mainly that of the
underpowered netbook user.
In my experience, Chromium is faster, until you start having a ton
(read: 4-10) tabs open. At that point, Firefox starts to be better.
Just my two cents.
Cheers,
James Gifford
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at
Hi,
I prefer Chromium, it's good on old machine. Firefox is almost useless on
my 256MB RAM laptop.
Regards,
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On 5 November 2011 22:11, James Gifford ja...@jamesrgifford.com wrote:
I'm one of the target audiences for Lubuntu, mainly that of the
If it's a vote... i would keep chromium. I always keep both browsers
just in case, but my benchmarks on my old pentium 3 can't tell any
real difference with just one tab opened. Start time, firefox seems a
little bit slower to start.
I'll run some benchmarks in the next days in the following
In fact, if we were really looking for a lightweight browser, might I
suggest Midori?[1] It's a Webkit based browser, very lightweight on
CPU/RAM.
Cheers,
James Gifford
[1] https://launchpad.net/midori
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I prefer
Define ready to use - Midori might not have hit 1.0, but in the days
where I come back from a walk around the block and Chromium's bumped
another version number, that's hardly a way to measure things.
If it came to a vote, I'd keep Chromium, it's stable, it works, and
it's got a large upstream
In fact Midori is lighweight... but it crash just too often. That's what i
mean by ready to use
2011/11/5 James Gifford ja...@jamesrgifford.com
In fact, if we were really looking for a lightweight browser, might I
suggest Midori?[1] It's a Webkit based browser, very lightweight on
CPU/RAM.
Midori isn't a REAL optin right now, because of handling
certificates and such things. A better option should be Arora. But
Alexander is right. Firefox 7 has improved a lot with beta 7, and 8
is more promising. But I don't give any point until benchmark is
provided.
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:18:12 +0700
Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I prefer Chromium, it's good on old machine. Firefox is almost useless on
my 256MB RAM laptop.
I've also found Chromium to be better than Firefox when there is less than 512
MiB of RAM. I haven't really
Keep Chromium. Users, as always, can install Firefox whenever they want.
Firefox is my no.1 browser but I must have them both. I run both of them at
the same time (FF and Chromium).
Let's keep in mind that Chromium is lighter than Firefox. After all,
Lubuntu is a lightweight distribution so
Ali,
It's been mentioned that the new FF7 is lightweight again, that's why it's
been brought up. Personally I don't like FF, so personally I'd vote
Chromium. But if with benchmarks/user tests it's proven that FF is the
better one, than we should consider switching.
With metta, Chris
On Nov 5,
I love them both so whatever you guys decide, I don't mind.
All what I care about is overall performance.
I've noticed FF started to be lighter than before. I also noticed it takes
so much from RAM with 3-4 opened tabs. Don't have time to test that for
now.
Again, whatever your choice will be,
Lubuntu 12.04 will be GTK3, and Chromium will still be GTK2. So, to the
next version, Chromium will be heavyweight. I think most of the people
agree that Midori isn't really an option, and I never tested Arora to give
my opinion about this one.
.
In a way or another, I believe that the best option
Well, it's ont sure that Ubuntu istelf will remove all GTK2 packages
and libraries completely. Shuttleworth was clear on it at UDS,
because we're not going to be "cool and modern" but removing things
that are really useful just because they're GTK2.
I'm the first
Arora is QT based... so i don't think lubuntu will ever adopt it :(
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Hi,
I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another
browser. But, this is my opinion :
- We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong
upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a system,
and we really don't have
On 11/5/11 5:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
- We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong
upstream and are well maintained.
agreed. i wouldn't suggest anything else tho there are other, more
lightweight, options.
Browser is a very important part of a system, and we
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