[Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)
On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: *My suggestions*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159postcount=94 *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442 In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through this email? This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu developers than forum threads, IMO. If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks! Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :) Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu 12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan then click the Subscribe button so you are emailed about all changes to that page. Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so you will automatically get emails as they are updated. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the clean house and organization parts of the plan too. Maybe Julien can provide pointers to those for us. Thanks, Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)
I just wanted to drop a brief comment about this statement: Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :) I've honestly wondered about that for some time now. While I'm no dev by any stretch of the imagination I have been involved in Ubuntu iso-testing for well over 3 years, and recently the number of suggestions regarding Lubuntu here at the mailing list have been almost overwhelming. How much time has this taken away from fixing actual bugs or implementing meaningful change? While it's great to have someone new and energetic join the team it's also important for the new members to give the actual devs time to deal with the basic tasks of maintaining the project ;^) I hope that doesn't sound too harsh. As always thanks to everyone for everything they do, Lance --- On Sat, 11/12/11, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions) To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011, 5:38 PM On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: *My suggestions*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159postcount=94 *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442 In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through this email? This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu developers than forum threads, IMO. If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks! Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :) Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu 12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan then click the Subscribe button so you are emailed about all changes to that page. Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so you will automatically get emails as they are updated. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the clean house and organization parts of the plan too. Maybe Julien can provide pointers to those for us. Thanks, Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)
Hi Jonathan, This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu developers than forum threads, IMO. I do respect your opinion and I do understand what you are saying and I also see your point but ... have you checked how many users have actually posted over that thread? and they are still doing that on daily basis? I hope you do :) Plus, when I posted over there, I could simple have done it here but I did that over there to be just like them and be one of them and add my voice to their voice. Being a member of Lubuntu (NO, I'm not a developer - too bad I'm not) and be so close to users IS IMHO VERY important, period. I did that I did as a Lubuntu User. Please, don't look at it as a feedback or suggestion from a fellow member of the same team :) Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :) Sorry but don't really know what to comment here so I'll remain silent. Sorry if my suggestions caused any confusion and/or delay, my bad. Thanks a lot :) On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: *My suggestions*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159postcount=94 *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442 In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through this email? This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu developers than forum threads, IMO. If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks! Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :) Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu 12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan then click the Subscribe button so you are emailed about all changes to that page. Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so you will automatically get emails as they are updated. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the clean house and organization parts of the plan too. Maybe Julien can provide pointers to those for us. Thanks, Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, *amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Wiki Page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad | My Launchpadhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profile http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words ||** ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short* ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress
On 11/12/2011 04:03 PM, Lance wrote: Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :) I've honestly wondered about that for some time now. While I'm no dev by any stretch of the imagination I have been involved in Ubuntu iso-testing for well over 3 years, and recently the number of suggestions regarding Lubuntu here at the mailing list have been almost overwhelming. Most of them have to be either ignored, or responded to with a short response saying why they don't really make sense for this cycle, or can't be done for lack of resources, or whatever. How much time has this taken away from fixing actual bugs or implementing meaningful change? I don't know if anyone is measuring this. Personally, I've been deliberately staying off IRC lately, to try to focus on other things and operate on my own schedule and my own priorities, rather than helping others out when they need it. That's a personal (and perhaps somewhat selfish) response to increased work responsibilities, and to some health scares that are lead me to try to take it easy and relax a bit more outside of my work :) Actually, though, my earlier statement about don't make extra work was directed more at the please keep me updated request, than at the actual suggestions themselves. We can't afford to ignore our end users, or ignore really good ideas from people who don't happen to be developers. There's a balance that has to be found in this. I think Julien's idea of (re-)creating teams, including a Comm Team, which as I see it would help in handling both internal (within-Lubuntu-community) and external communication (wikis, web, press releases, etc) could help both maintain a sense that Lubuntu cares about its users, and avoid asking too much of its (very few) developers. As currently envisaged, there would be four teams: * Dev Team (Packaging, Coding, Breaking) * Support Team (IRC, Documentation, Testing) * Comm Team (Communication, Blogs, Artworks, Events) * Translation team (Translations) There is, to me, a somewhat unclear distinction between some forms of support (IRC and online documentation) and some forms of communication, which I think we may need to figure out (unless it is clearer to others than it is to me). I'm not sure whether helping out web forum users would fall under Support or Communication (or both?). But overall I like this approach. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
