Am 10.01.2012 01:25, schrieb Josh Embrey:
Maybe it's just me, but the most elegant solution is as follows:
Make one final non-PAE version and then just let it float until the end of
the lifetime. Support it, but don't upgrade the kernel or any packages
that rely on the kernel. Then, whenever
It was just an idea, given the fact that the lubuntu dev team has no real
dedicated kernel dev that can tackle the project.
Speaking from experience, as an avid linux user, I'll generally get the
latest project that'll work for whatever I need to get done or I'll find
another project. As I'm not
On 11/20/2011 4:20 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
Other than the early 400MHz Pentium-M, which are pretty rare, I don't
think anyone has seen such a CPU yet.
I've got a laptop with a 1.4Ghz Celeron-M that, according to
/proc/cpuinfo, does not support PAE. That doesn't seem that old to me.
Ben
Maybe it's just me, but the most elegant solution is as follows:
Make one final non-PAE version and then just let it float until the end of
the lifetime. Support it, but don't upgrade the kernel or any packages
that rely on the kernel. Then, whenever anyone needs to download a version
that
On pe, 2012-01-06 at 16:19 -0500, Steven wrote:
I think it's also not how many people are using non-pae cpus, but
whether or not Lubuntu is expected to be able to run on non-pae cpus.
For example, I would expect Lubuntu to run on the 400MHz FSB Pentium M
CPUs [2] (only the 400MHz FSB
Hi (my first post to a Lubuntu Maillinglist),
I also had one minor problem with the PAE kernel.
I'm running Lubuntu mainly in VMs (because it is faster than the heavier
Ubuntu).
When installing Lubuntu Precise in Virtualbox I had to turn on PAE support
in the options (this was not a dealbreaker).
On 6 January 2012 19:17, Steven sten...@gmail.com wrote:
That command doesn't give any output:
$ grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
$
It was also apparent when I ran a Lubuntu Precise daily-live CD for the
first time the other day and got this:
This kernel requires the following features not present
Hi,
I went through the whole thread (37 emails so far) and noticed very simple
thing that I already have noticed long time ago (I know what most of you
will say) which is: we do *NOT *have accurate database of Lubuntu Users in
general and those who are still using OLD machines and I mean VERY old
On 6 January 2012 19:57, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I went through the whole thread (37 emails so far) and noticed very simple
thing that I already have noticed long time ago (I know what most of you
will say) which is: we do NOT have accurate database of Lubuntu Users in
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 4:57 AM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I went through the whole thread (37 emails so far) and noticed very simple
thing that I already have noticed long time ago (I know what most of you
will say) which is: we do *NOT *have accurate database of Lubuntu
Hi, I'm running Lubuntu on a non-PAE kernel too :)
1.4GHz Pentium M in a Dell Latitude D505 with 512MB RAM from 2004. It's my
main production machine and runs Lubuntu like a charm.
I've been reading through the emails and irc logs, and it sounds like the
kernel team is maintaining the non-pae
On 20/11/2011 19:31, Yorvyk wrote:
If a CPU can't support PAE it can't support more than 4GiB of RAM, so the PAE
part of the kernel shoudn't come into play.
From what I understand, PAE has a different set of paging structures compared to
non-PAE. Does the kernel know to fall back onto non-PAE
On 11/20/2011 07:29 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
On 20/11/2011 19:31, Yorvyk wrote:
If a CPU can't support PAE it can't support more than 4GiB of RAM,
so the PAE part of the kernel shoudn't come into play.
From what I understand, PAE has a different set of paging structures
compared to
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:20:35 -0800
Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:
On 11/20/2011 07:29 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
On 20/11/2011 19:31, Yorvyk wrote:
If a CPU can't support PAE it can't support more than 4GiB of RAM,
so the PAE part of the kernel shoudn't come into play.
Question-probably naive, but anyway- why don't we keep an 'old kernel' package
for those with older CPUs?
I don't see that it would need maintenance-that's just what it is-dead weight
for those who need really old machnes to work.
Tell me if I'm wrong. But I vote to ditch PAE with th default
And while we examine the fluff in our belly buttons.
Can I ask once again that instead of grieving over non-pae chipsets that we
instead allow our meager resources to keep 10.04 alive? This removes the
issue of non-pae completely and just needs a simple edit to the wiki about
the dropping of
*As 10.04 was based on a LTS kernel for servers it has a life span of 5
years. We can then re address the problem in 2015 :)*
*
*
If we cannot solve this now, I agree to re address the problem. But if we
can find the solution on the next days, it is better.
*Maybe have two kernels in the defult
I would like to do some tests with the latest ubuntu on my old amd-k6 (wich
runs Lubuntu 10.04 perfectly) but support for that CPU it's been dropped :(
Then again, it's NOT only for the people who have a voice here: it's the
users that have one of those pc wich want to use it and CAN'T
It's a
I really cant see why you're all (except dear JM ;) crying after
obsolete hardware.
If this kind of decissions are never made, People will never
recycle these power hungry computers with more decent ones.
What I've been keeping eye on Ubuntu, it has lost support for older
hardware around 9.04.
On 20 November 2011 00:38, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to do some tests with the latest ubuntu on my old amd-k6 (wich
runs Lubuntu 10.04 perfectly) but support for that CPU it's been dropped :(
Then again, it's NOT only for the people who have a voice here:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 01:25:16 +0800
PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it possible to keep an unofficial kernel for old abandoned cpus in
lubuntu ppa, if there are people willing to maintain it?
No, it's too complex to properly maintain a kernel.
Regards,
Julien Lavergne
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:10:12 -0800
Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:
*If* this proposed change makes it impractical to run on a Pentium II,
we need to stand up and be counted. If (as I suspect) it only prevents
use on Pentium I, really old AMD, VIA C3 and Geode, then ... that's a
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:43:32 +1000
Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:
So to this end, my question is, is there a simple command people can
run to see if their CPU can run PAE kernels? I would have thought if
cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae would not give any output if the CPUs
weren't
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:47:19 -0800
Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:
We already told the community we would support Lubuntu 10.04 as an LTS,
so we should keep that commitment (though I don't think we are doing a
very good job of it, to be honest!). But we made a commitment, so we
I forgot to forward this mail from ubuntu-devel, it may have an impact on
Lubuntu since we shared the same kernel.
Regards,
Julien Lavergne
Begin forwarded message:
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:43:28 -0700
From: Tim Gardner tim.gard...@canonical.com
To: Ubuntu Kernel Team
But there're Lubuntu users on Pentium II and similar machines. In fact
they're happy an OS can handle those trashy computers and make them
useable.
Will this affect those users?
http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/ http://www.lubuntu.net/
2011/11/18 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
I forgot
Yes it will affect Pentium II. Do we have options of compiling the
kernel within lubuntu to continue support.
2011/11/18 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com
But there're Lubuntu users on Pentium II and similar machines. In fact
they're happy an OS can handle those trashy computers and
No, we have to rely on kernel in the repositories.
Regards,
Julien Lavergne
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:43:45 +0300
Matthew Byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes it will affect Pentium II. Do we have options of compiling the
kernel within lubuntu to continue support.
2011/11/18 神癒礁湖 (Rafael
I think this harks back to how long we will support 10.04 for, we barely
have enough people to backport to that - asking for a 2nd set of
backporting may well be beyond the small number of devs we have. For me,
with dropping of chipsets after 10.04, maybe we could concentrate on
keeping 10.04
Last year they dropped support for a lot of machines, now they will drop
for a lot more?
What are the exact benefits of dropping all of that?
Lubuntu is aimed to be fast, but it's able to resurrect those old hardware
so: what will be the the future for those old machines in the near future?
On Friday, November 18, 2011 7:43 PM, Matthew Byers
faintstlsa...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes it will affect Pentium II.
Evidence, please? That is not what the original email said at all. It
is also not what all the info I have on which CPUs can do PAE says.
As far as I know, Pentium Pro and
Correct me if I'm wrong, but those CPUs were used with 2, 4 and 8 GB of HD??
*If* this proposed change makes it impractical to run on a Pentium II,
we need to stand up and be counted. If (as I suspect) it only prevents
use on Pentium I, really old AMD, VIA C3 and Geode, then ... that's a
There comes a point where hardware becomes obsolete. Ubuntu itself is not
aiming to be for low end machines and for a desktop is that is trying to
hit the more cutting edge market last decades equipment is a waste of
resources. I can understand why they're cutting it.
As time goes on support
I guess the point ends up simply being lxde Ubuntu.
That is fine for a guy like myself because Lubuntu is awsome on my modern
laptops, but I can see how it deviates from the original mission. nbsp; I feel
bad for you guys.
Maybe official status isn't what's best for Lubuntu OR maybe you guys
Has anyone read the posts from the developers here? Julien asked for
comment, Jonathan did some research and found that only Pentium I and
a limited number of Pentium II mobiles and a sprinkling of even less
other types of CPUs would be affected. I'm not certain but to me even
for the Lubuntu
On 11/18/2011 04:45 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
So there is no need to support the dropping of chip sets at 10.04,
and none of at the next release?
The changes in 10.10 that cause it to be unusable on some CPUs are
already made. I am unclear which exact CPU models can run 10.10 and
11.04 and
On 11/18/2011 05:43 PM, Jared Norris wrote:
So to this end, my question is, is there a simple command people can
run to see if their CPU can run PAE kernels? I would have thought if
cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae would not give any output if the CPUs
weren't capable? I'm not an expert so just
On 11/18/2011 11:50 AM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote:
Last year they dropped support for a lot of machines, now they will
drop for a lot more?
A lot? How did you determine this, and can you let us know the
numeric upper and lower bounds of a lot in the second phrase of this
description?
On 19 November 2011 16:00, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:
On 11/18/2011 05:43 PM, Jared Norris wrote:
So to this end, my question is, is there a simple command people can
run to see if their CPU can run PAE kernels? I would have thought if
cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae would not
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