Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?
Am 21.08.2010 02:09, schrieb Phillip Whiteside: To have a application considered for inclusion it must be stable, use no disk space to install and use no RAM or CPU time when running. If it meets all those of those, AND is in the official Ubuntu Repositories there will be a vote held. (yes, it really does seem like that when proposing a new included application). If you find a candidate that you feel meets most of the above, please do put it forward. Even if it does not get included on the release it would be possible to give it a mention in the same way that Deadbeef is as lean, mean and keen music player, liked by many but not in the official repos. I'm sure this is documented somewhere, but reboot your system up, let it settle and issue *free* and *top* in the terminal window https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LXTerminal Make a note of of memory total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 15345161072532 *461984* 0 113556 457816 Free memory is in *bold* Sry but measuring free memory is nonsense. Unused memory is wasted memory. Its by far more important how much memory a single application uses (without the libraries it needs) to check its efficency. If the library isn't included by default in lubuntu you need to add this library memory usage also (because it can't be shared between applications, when only one app uses it). The best way to check if an application is suitable is to grep an older pc and test it there. Speed + Stability are the far most important points that matter. But it may be good to test also starting different applications in parallel to watch if this slows down the application dramatically or not. And CPU usage Tasks: 134 total, 1 running, 133 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): *1.3%us,* Take a note of where the memory and CPU usage is (*bold*), then go to install the programme. If at this point it wants to bring in a lot additional parts, it is unlikely to pass the requirements. If it passes that step, then you can, if you wish install it [1] and reboot. then issue the *free* and *top* command again to ensure the new program is not 'eating up memory' or CPU usage Again CPU usage is important here. Memory usage might be also very high depending on which application you use (QT and KDE applications share there memory and reserve mostly more memory then they actually use) Start using the application for a little while then issue the commands again and you can see what it is using, both in memory and CPU time. Issuing those commands and looking at there output gives only a vague orientation on how this app might behave. This is definitely not an objective way to found out how an app behaves on low memory. Regards, Phill. [1] when installing use apt-get, or a ppa in order to remove a package from your system if you wish it gone. P.S. I've seen many discussions on this, if lubuntu could get a standard way of testing of an application I think it is worth us having a 'bench-mark'. There are too many applications and too many different libraries doing to much different stuff. I don't think we can do a automated benchmark. Every app must be real time tested. (if they don't fall of already before testing i.e. thinking of JAVA apps which bring big dependencies and benefical only for one app) Regards, Leszek On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le vendredi 20 août 2010 à 12:53 +0700, Duy Hùng Trần a écrit : When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most asked questions are: How to ... in Lubuntu?, What software to ... in Lubuntu?. Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in Lubuntu/Linux or not. There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers or not. Do we have any tip to choose the right applications for Lubuntu? It's difficult to say before testing them :) In Lubuntu, we have some criteria for applications we want to include : - Low memory usage - Low system usage (CPU, hard-disk i/o ...) - Low dependencies - Still fast :) As you see, you can't define them, without testing the application :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list:
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?
hi Leszek, my e-mail was a 'rough guide' to people wanting to see how applications behave. As you have stated, there is little chance of us getting a deffinative guide up but that was about the best the best I could think of. My asking that the application be run, may not have been clear that I meant On it's own to see what the various libraries etc. would take up. However it is something that would be useful for people to test against in the absence of anything better. I'd appreciate any further thoughts on how we may, in any way, let people know how to have a look at an application for consideration to be included in Lubuntu. Regards, Phill. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote: Am 21.08.2010 02:09, schrieb Phillip Whiteside: To have a application considered for inclusion it must be stable, use no disk space to install and use no RAM or CPU time when running. If it meets all those of those, AND is in the official Ubuntu Repositories there will be a vote held. (yes, it really does seem like that when proposing a new included application). If you find a candidate that you feel meets most of the above, please do put it forward. Even if it does not get included on the release it would be possible to give it a mention in the same way that Deadbeef is as lean, mean and keen music player, liked by many but not in the official repos. I'm sure this is documented somewhere, but reboot your system up, let it settle and issue *free* and *top* in the terminal windowhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LXTerminal Make a note of of memory total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 15345161072532 *461984* 0 113556 457816 Free memory is in *bold* Sry but measuring free memory is nonsense. Unused memory is wasted memory. Its by far more important how much memory a single application uses (without the libraries it needs) to check its efficency. If the library isn't included by default in lubuntu you need to add this library memory usage also (because it can't be shared between applications, when only one app uses it). The best way to check if an application is suitable is to grep an older pc and test it there. Speed + Stability are the far most important points that matter. But it may be good to test also starting different applications in parallel to watch if this slows down the application dramatically or not. And CPU usage Tasks: 134 total, 1 running, 133 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): *1.3%us,* Take a note of where the memory and CPU usage is (*bold*), then go to install the programme. If at this point it wants to bring in a lot additional parts, it is unlikely to pass the requirements. If it passes that step, then you can, if you wish install it [1] and reboot. then issue the *free* and *top* command again to ensure the new program is not 'eating up memory' or CPU usage Again CPU usage is important here. Memory usage might be also very high depending on which application you use (QT and KDE applications share there memory and reserve mostly more memory then they actually use) Start using the application for a little while then issue the commands again and you can see what it is using, both in memory and CPU time. Issuing those commands and looking at there output gives only a vague orientation on how this app might behave. This is definitely not an objective way to found out how an app behaves on low memory. Regards, Phill. [1] when installing use apt-get, or a ppa in order to remove a package from your system if you wish it gone. P.S. I've seen many discussions on this, if lubuntu could get a standard way of testing of an application I think it is worth us having a 'bench-mark'. There are too many applications and too many different libraries doing to much different stuff. I don't think we can do a automated benchmark. Every app must be real time tested. (if they don't fall of already before testing i.e. thinking of JAVA apps which bring big dependencies and benefical only for one app) Regards, Leszek On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le vendredi 20 août 2010 à 12:53 +0700, Duy Hùng Trần a écrit : When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most asked questions are: How to ... in Lubuntu?, What software to ... in Lubuntu?. Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in Lubuntu/Linux or not. There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?
This is an interesting topic. I really don't know how to recognize them before testing them. But looking to other so called lightweight distributions and there default applications would be one way to do this. Another one would be looking at the homepages of the different applications and trying to find the system requirements for this app. Lastly but not least Blogs like ubuntu geek have some app tips and also write about lightweight applications. Hope this helps ;) Am 20.08.2010 07:53, schrieb Duy Hùng Tra^`n: Hi all! When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most asked questions are: How to ... in Lubuntu?, What software to ... in Lubuntu?. Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in Lubuntu/Linux or not. There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers or not. Do we have any tip to choose the right applications for Lubuntu? Regards, Hung ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?
Le vendredi 20 août 2010 à 12:53 +0700, Duy Hùng Trần a écrit : When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most asked questions are: How to ... in Lubuntu?, What software to ... in Lubuntu?. Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in Lubuntu/Linux or not. There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers or not. Do we have any tip to choose the right applications for Lubuntu? It's difficult to say before testing them :) In Lubuntu, we have some criteria for applications we want to include : - Low memory usage - Low system usage (CPU, hard-disk i/o ...) - Low dependencies - Still fast :) As you see, you can't define them, without testing the application :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?
To have a application considered for inclusion it must be stable, use no disk space to install and use no RAM or CPU time when running. If it meets all those of those, AND is in the official Ubuntu Repositories there will be a vote held. (yes, it really does seem like that when proposing a new included application). If you find a candidate that you feel meets most of the above, please do put it forward. Even if it does not get included on the release it would be possible to give it a mention in the same way that Deadbeef is as lean, mean and keen music player, liked by many but not in the official repos. I'm sure this is documented somewhere, but reboot your system up, let it settle and issue *free* and *top* in the terminal window https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LXTerminal Make a note of of memory total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 15345161072532 *461984* 0 113556 457816 Free memory is in *bold* And CPU usage Tasks: 134 total, 1 running, 133 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): *1.3%us,* Take a note of where the memory and CPU usage is (*bold*), then go to install the programme. If at this point it wants to bring in a lot additional parts, it is unlikely to pass the requirements. If it passes that step, then you can, if you wish install it [1] and reboot. then issue the *free* and *top* command again to ensure the new program is not 'eating up memory' or CPU usage Start using the application for a little while then issue the commands again and you can see what it is using, both in memory and CPU time. Regards, Phill. [1] when installing use apt-get, or a ppa in order to remove a package from your system if you wish it gone. P.S. I've seen many discussions on this, if lubuntu could get a standard way of testing of an application I think it is worth us having a 'bench-mark'. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le vendredi 20 août 2010 à 12:53 +0700, Duy Hùng Trần a écrit : When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most asked questions are: How to ... in Lubuntu?, What software to ... in Lubuntu?. Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in Lubuntu/Linux or not. There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers or not. Do we have any tip to choose the right applications for Lubuntu? It's difficult to say before testing them :) In Lubuntu, we have some criteria for applications we want to include : - Low memory usage - Low system usage (CPU, hard-disk i/o ...) - Low dependencies - Still fast :) As you see, you can't define them, without testing the application :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?
Thanks everybody! You've helped me alot! I will always notice your instructions. Regards, Hung 2010/8/21 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net To have a application considered for inclusion it must be stable, use no disk space to install and use no RAM or CPU time when running. If it meets all those of those, AND is in the official Ubuntu Repositories there will be a vote held. (yes, it really does seem like that when proposing a new included application). If you find a candidate that you feel meets most of the above, please do put it forward. Even if it does not get included on the release it would be possible to give it a mention in the same way that Deadbeef is as lean, mean and keen music player, liked by many but not in the official repos. I'm sure this is documented somewhere, but reboot your system up, let it settle and issue *free* and *top* in the terminal window https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LXTerminal Make a note of of memory total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 15345161072532 *461984* 0 113556 457816 Free memory is in *bold* And CPU usage Tasks: 134 total, 1 running, 133 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): *1.3%us,* Take a note of where the memory and CPU usage is (*bold*), then go to install the programme. If at this point it wants to bring in a lot additional parts, it is unlikely to pass the requirements. If it passes that step, then you can, if you wish install it [1] and reboot. then issue the *free* and *top* command again to ensure the new program is not 'eating up memory' or CPU usage Start using the application for a little while then issue the commands again and you can see what it is using, both in memory and CPU time. Regards, Phill. [1] when installing use apt-get, or a ppa in order to remove a package from your system if you wish it gone. P.S. I've seen many discussions on this, if lubuntu could get a standard way of testing of an application I think it is worth us having a 'bench-mark'. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le vendredi 20 août 2010 à 12:53 +0700, Duy Hùng Trần a écrit : When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most asked questions are: How to ... in Lubuntu?, What software to ... in Lubuntu?. Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in Lubuntu/Linux or not. There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers or not. Do we have any tip to choose the right applications for Lubuntu? It's difficult to say before testing them :) In Lubuntu, we have some criteria for applications we want to include : - Low memory usage - Low system usage (CPU, hard-disk i/o ...) - Low dependencies - Still fast :) As you see, you can't define them, without testing the application :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?
Hi all! When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most asked questions are: How to ... in Lubuntu?, What software to ... in Lubuntu?. Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in Lubuntu/Linux or not. There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers or not. Do we have any tip to choose the right applications for Lubuntu? Regards, Hung ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?
There is no other way then use (try) it - or search over Internet. W dniu 20.08.2010 07:53, Duy Hùng Trần pisze: Hi all! When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most asked questions are: How to ... in Lubuntu?, What software to ... in Lubuntu?. Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in Lubuntu/Linux or not. There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers or not. Do we have any tip to choose the right applications for Lubuntu? Regards, Hung ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
