Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk
ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed at a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with system impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if there isn't a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep me up-to-date. Honestly, I did not search yet but I have made this guide few months ago and I think it will be handy and helpful in case there is no page on the Wiki. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1880394 Sorry, forgot to mention that earlier :) On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, Firstly the discussion at hand: the MAIN reason why LSC was created is because USC is VERY heavyweight. While still having a similar simplified interface for installing software, it boots a lot faster. Secondly is Synaptic not the most intuitive way to install software. Showing a lot of technical (libs etc) between some of the packages you might want to install, LSC solves this by only showing the packages one would want to install and with a preview readily available. So it's not a means to only show packages designed for Lubuntu afaik. Thirdly this is a mainly a discussion in how LSC *could* or *should* preform, not about the wiki. When you guys have made a decision on what should be put on the wiki, please cc the wiki list. I could have the wiki group make a page about installing software in Lubuntu, referring to packages that depend on libs not included by default and what the impact could be, but their might already be a page about that on the main wiki which we could refer to. ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed at a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with system impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if there isn't a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep me up-to-date. With metta, Chris P.S.: Ali, you used the old lubuntu list, which will be deprecated shortly. I've cc'd the new list. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:36, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.comwrote: Hi everyone, Before I reply to this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963postcount=252 I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on. As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue. I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't be affected. I've come across MANY questions from users like: This app has lots of dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down?? For me, I can easily reply that post saying: It's more about space issues than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal for Synaptic. This is not necessarily true. Almost always, we add dependencies because the program needs them at runtime. Most of time, these deps, especially the libraries, will be loaded at runtime as well. The most important issue is how much RAM is needed by programs constantly running throughout the whole desktop session. (web browser, panel, file manager, desktop manager, session manager, other dbus services...) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, *amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Wiki Page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad | My Launchpadhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profile http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words ||** ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short* ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk
Hello everyone, Firstly the discussion at hand: the MAIN reason why LSC was created is because USC is VERY heavyweight. While still having a similar simplified interface for installing software, it boots a lot faster. Secondly is Synaptic not the most intuitive way to install software. Showing a lot of technical (libs etc) between some of the packages you might want to install, LSC solves this by only showing the packages one would want to install and with a preview readily available. So it's not a means to only show packages designed for Lubuntu afaik. Thirdly this is a mainly a discussion in how LSC *could* or *should* preform, not about the wiki. When you guys have made a decision on what should be put on the wiki, please cc the wiki list. I could have the wiki group make a page about installing software in Lubuntu, referring to packages that depend on libs not included by default and what the impact could be, but their might already be a page about that on the main wiki which we could refer to. ACTION WIKI: find a page on the wiki about installing software not aimed at a certain DE. E.g. installing ktouch inside Lubuntu, hopefully with system impact. If that page doesn't exists create one. Please reply if there isn't a page on the wiki before creating a new page. This is to keep me up-to-date. With metta, Chris P.S.: Ali, you used the old lubuntu list, which will be deprecated shortly. I've cc'd the new list. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:36, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.comwrote: Hi everyone, Before I reply to this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963postcount=252 I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on. As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue. I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't be affected. I've come across MANY questions from users like: This app has lots of dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down?? For me, I can easily reply that post saying: It's more about space issues than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal for Synaptic. This is not necessarily true. Almost always, we add dependencies because the program needs them at runtime. Most of time, these deps, especially the libraries, will be loaded at runtime as well. The most important issue is how much RAM is needed by programs constantly running throughout the whole desktop session. (web browser, panel, file manager, desktop manager, session manager, other dbus services...) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC and Dependencies Talk
Hi everyone, Before I reply to this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11613963postcount=252 I thought it's better to start such a discussion over here so that I understand better and we make it clear to everyone what is really going on. As far as I have learned so far and I could be wrong, the Dependencies Talk on a Low Resources System where usually Lubuntu is installed, is more about Space Issue than Loaded Files on RAM issue. I don't have a document or something that confirm that but I do know for sure that as long as nothing will be loaded in RAM, the performance won't be affected. I've come across MANY questions from users like: This app has lots of dependencies, can I install it on Lubuntu? will that slow my system down?? For me, I can easily reply that post saying: It's more about space issues than memory consuming issue + if you want, you can use the terminal for Synaptic. @Stefano What do you think about specially the bold statement: It would be nice if the Lubuntu software centre let the user know which packages were also going to be installed, and also if somehow *it could tell the user if the package isn't really designed to go with Lubuntu*. @Wiki and Doc Team I think we need to highlight this issue because many are wondering and asking the same Q over and over again. Thank you! P.S. If this email is not clear, please let me know :) Best Regards, *amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Wiki Page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad | My Launchpadhttps://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profile http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words ||** ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short* ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC problems and where to report
Where should one report LSC bugs. I can't find any reported on Launchpad. The problems. There is a surfeit of information on some apps. eg. Penguin Taipei and other Ace-of-Penguin apps as well as others. No version number in About. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC some apps missing bug, and where to report bugs for LSC
I have had a similiar experience; I literally just filed the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/907037 You can report bugs here (providing you have LP account): https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+filebug as it is purely a Lubuntu project. If it is a 'runtime' bug i.e. there is an error, not if there is a missing feature, attach the output of lubuntu-software-center in your bug report. Also, try the latest bzr branch release before reporting (currently rev. 77 in the trunk) Thanks, Michael -- Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC problems and where to report
Hi Steve, I used https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center to report the issue I had. Regards, Phill. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote: Where should one report LSC bugs. I can't find any reported on Launchpad. The problems. There is a surfeit of information on some apps. eg. Penguin Taipei and other Ace-of-Penguin apps as well as others. No version number in About. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC some apps missing bug, and where to report bugs for LSC
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:16:23 + Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com wrote: I have had a similiar experience; I literally just filed the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/907037 You can report bugs here (providing you have LP account): https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+filebug as it is purely a Lubuntu project. If it is a 'runtime' bug i.e. there is an error, not if there is a missing feature, attach the output of lubuntu-software-center in your bug report. Also, try the latest bzr branch release before reporting (currently rev. 77 in the trunk) Found the bug reports. I was searching using centre not center. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC some apps missing bug, and where to report bugs for LSC
I know, it's annoying being a Brit. :D On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:09:44 + Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:16:23 + Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com wrote: I have had a similiar experience; I literally just filed the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/907037 You can report bugs here (providing you have LP account): https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+filebug as it is purely a Lubuntu project. If it is a 'runtime' bug i.e. there is an error, not if there is a missing feature, attach the output of lubuntu-software-center in your bug report. Also, try the latest bzr branch release before reporting (currently rev. 77 in the trunk) Found the bug reports. I was searching using centre not center. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc Port to Vala
This message is target for the Lubuntu Software Center Team! Hi, i have started the port from Python to Vala, the branch is lp:~lubuntu-software-center-team/lubuntu-software-center/vala-port, so the ppa use the Python version (the package is not broken), there is a README inside, let me know if something is not clear. Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc Port to Vala
So you're converting from python to vala? All for it, I'm happy to test it. might improve the speed of things, too... If I understand vala correctly? On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:23:16 +0100 Stephen Smally eco.st...@fastwebnet.it wrote: This message is target for the Lubuntu Software Center Team! Hi, i have started the port from Python to Vala, the branch is lp:~lubuntu-software-center-team/lubuntu-software-center/vala-port, so the ppa use the Python version (the package is not broken), there is a README inside, let me know if something is not clear. Stephen Smally -- Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc Port to Vala
Great! I started to use Vala recently and I like it a lot! Easy to use, and directly compiled to plain C. Almost as easy to use as python. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Stephen Smally eco.st...@fastwebnet.itwrote: This message is target for the Lubuntu Software Center Team! Hi, i have started the port from Python to Vala, the branch is lp:~lubuntu-software-center-team/lubuntu-software-center/vala-port, so the ppa use the Python version (the package is not broken), there is a README inside, let me know if something is not clear. Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc Mockups
Hi Everybody i'm looking for new ideas fot he Lubuntu Software Center Interface, if you have some ideas, please draw a mockup and post. regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc Mockups
I think you should add a button or the option to acess the repository configurations, similar to Synaptic, Update Manager and, I think, USC. About a mockup, I will think in something... Gabriel Salles ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc pause
Ok, i'm switched to debian (xubuntu damaged) and i noticed that apt_pkg has changed a lot of functions names (what a mess). so i will restart to work on lsc when Lubuntu 11.10 will be released (something like 14 days i think), to test it better. Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc pause
JFYI from a developer's viewpoint, 14 days of in-activity is quite some time! I would suggest actually installing say Lubuntu 11.04 and continue on progress. Especially to get a effective working release of LSC for in time of Lubuntu release. Just my two cents. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Ok, i'm switched to debian (xubuntu damaged) and i noticed that apt_pkg has changed a lot of functions names (what a mess). so i will restart to work on lsc when Lubuntu 11.10 will be released (something like 14 days i think), to test it better. Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- God Bless ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc pause
Le 26/09/2011 21:19, Stefano a écrit : Ok, i'm switched to debian (xubuntu damaged) and i noticed that apt_pkg has changed a lot of functions names (what a mess). so i will restart to work on lsc when Lubuntu 11.10 will be released (something like 14 days i think), to test it better. Why not taking this time to release a 0.1 version of LSC, so you can collect feedback in the meantime ? Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC
Hi Stephen, I popped 11.10 on to a VM with 256MB RAM and ran the following rather unscientific tests At rest, with just LXTerminal and top running: Mem Used = 214 MB, Swap Used = 0 MB With Synaptics Package Manager running: Mem Used = 244 MB, Swap Used = 10 MB With LSC Running: Mem Used = 245 MB, Swap Used = 6MB I rebooted the VM between running Synaptic and LSC as when you quit either not all the memory returns to the pool. I'm guessing both load libraries which remain. IMHO, LSC is certainly not a memory hog compared to Synaptic :) Well done! A polished GUI for newcomers that does eat up memory! Keep it mean, lean and keen :) Regards, Phill. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc 58
Lubuntu Software Center revision 58 is out (wait a moment please), new features: * new show/hide left pane button, as discussed in irc * now the details dialog looks good (finally!) i'm going to look for screenshots (the shouldn't be so heavy) anyway. A question: what do you think about the rules hint in the apps list (i mean the alternate grey color in the rows)? Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc 55
Lsc 55 is out. New clean dialog, to take care of your Lubuntu ;-) various UI improvements Solved some bugs related on the Apps store. Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC 53
Ok, LSC 53: * solved bugs related dependencies alternatives (see fusion-icon) There is a problem, Lsc can't show all the dependencies, for example if a package depend on a metapackage, the depends of the metapackage are now showed. e.g: fusion-icon compiz-kde (requested by fusion-icon) dependencies are not shown! other (request by fusion-icon) this mean that seems that packages like fusion-icon (wich depends on a lot of packages) depends only on few pkgs. so download size seems something like 500kb when is 50Mb! i will try to fix this, but if anybody has some ideas, they are appreciated. Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC 55
Lsc 55 will be pushed tomorrow, changelog: * Solved another bug related to the depends * few changes to the UI (in the preferences dialog, in the apps list and in the left pane) * Now the update and upgrade buttons work well What can i say, i use it for everyday use and is stable (no more strange crash changing visualization mode or so on), we have to do some theme tweaks to make it match better with ozone2 (Rafael Laguna is doing this), for example the details pane (when you double click on an apps) looks not so good (should be white, maybe using the same background USC uses). Gtk3 porting is not going so well (Segmentation Fault ;-)), i will push a branch for this owned by lubuntu-software-center-team, is somebody wants to join is welcome. (there is an approving pending for the lubuntu-software-center-team, i will take a look ASAP). Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc 50
Thanks to Julien, the revision 50 is out! the database is build during the installation or whenever the folder /usr/share/app-install/desktop is modified now. The ui is changed a bit, you can decide if show the menubar or let hide. If you think that some options should be default in lsc (like use the database or show the menubar) let me know. Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc database
On 13/09/2011 00:48, Julien Lavergne wrote: Le 12/09/2011 23:17, PCMan a écrit : Isn't /var/cache a better suited place for this kind of thing? +1, I think /var/cache/LSC is also a better place. Also, please make an independent script to update the database, so I can hook it in the package. It should be a simple command, like /usr/sbin/lubuntu-software-center-update-db Regards, Julien Lavergne yes, i was thinking about a script. i don't know if /var/cache is a good place, but you can choose the place by passing an argument. i will implement the database usage better (check at the startup if the database exists and so on). Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc revision 47
Ok, i've made few changes: * if the old config file hasn't some options will be updated and the new options will be added as in the default config file (this will create ~/.config/default_LSC.ini) * if the database doesn't exists, and the use of the database is setted True in the preferences, a new database will be created (via lubuntu-software-center-build-db, installed in /usr/bin) * now you haven't to follow the tutorial to try the database, simply enter lsc, go in the preferences, toggle Use Database and click apply. Please run in a terminal and report the errors if any. Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc base branch
Hi everybody, i want to notify that the zctive and pushed branch for Lubuntu Software Center is again lp:lubuntu-software-center. Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc using a database, amazing!
Hi, i'm trying to use a database builded parsing /usr/share/app-install/desktop in lsc. well men, is amazing fast! when the ui shows the apps database is charged and ready to go! i will commit as soon as possible and i will build the ppa. if you wan't to try the database follow these step: 1 - sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade, if no upgrade are visible, you should wait. 2 - remove your lsc config folder ~/.config/lsc (remove the folder, not only LSC.ini) 3 - open a python shell ( $ python) and type these commands: from LSC import threadingops threadingops.BuildDatabase(/usr/share/pyshared/LSC/datas.db) # wait the prompt exit() 4 - launch lubuntu-software-center (better from terminal, to see if there are errors), open the preference dialog and toggle Use packages database. click apply and see the result! (if you restart lsc you will see better) we should build the database with a postinstall script (in the deb package), using exactly the commands of the 3 step (althought this will probably create a config file in the root home). Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc database
the database should be moved to /usr/share/LSC, i will do it immediately. Please note that to use the database in the step 3 you have to launch python with sudo ($ sudo python) Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc database
Isn't /var/cache a better suited place for this kind of thing? It's a little bit weird to put cache in /usr/share. Even better if you can separate things for different locales in different cache files. This way you may waste some disk spaces and create lots of db files, but the result will be faster. Not sure if this speed up is visible to user and worth the work. It's up to you. Anyways, congratulations for the speed up! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:00 AM, Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it wrote: the database should be moved to /usr/share/LSC, i will do it immediately. Please note that to use the database in the step 3 you have to launch python with sudo ($ sudo python) Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc database
Le 12/09/2011 23:17, PCMan a écrit : Isn't /var/cache a better suited place for this kind of thing? +1, I think /var/cache/LSC is also a better place. Also, please make an independent script to update the database, so I can hook it in the package. It should be a simple command, like /usr/sbin/lubuntu-software-center-update-db Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC revision 33
Pushed up revision 33, changelog: *Using icon-name instead of pixbuf in the categories view, now i've got no error from librsvg or other. *the Search in all categories instead button now work (when no pkgs match the keyword) *solved bugs (i don't remember now what kind of bugs :-P) there is a bug clicking on the search in all categories instead button that causes Segmentation Fault, i've resolved it yet, but i can't push the fixing now. Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc revision 31
On 31/08/2011 23:55, Julien Lavergne wrote: On 08/31/2011 05:55 PM, Stefano wrote: anyway i think lsc is pretty usable, i use it everyday with satisfaction, tell me your ideas! Thanks for the update. I think the last items should be : - A build system - A way to translate it - And after, a release :) Then, you will be ready for real-world testing :) Again, if you need help on those items, let us know, or come talk to us on IRC :) thank you, i think i will come pretty soon ;-) Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc revision 31
Yep, I need a PPA for installing and testing Ozone theme on it. Ok, ok, I know it's the easy way. But I hate GIT / Bazaar. http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/ http://www.lubuntu.net/ b3.pngb2.pngb1.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc revision 31
On 08/31/2011 05:55 PM, Stefano wrote: anyway i think lsc is pretty usable, i use it everyday with satisfaction, tell me your ideas! Thanks for the update. I think the last items should be : - A build system - A way to translate it - And after, a release :) Then, you will be ready for real-world testing :) Again, if you need help on those items, let us know, or come talk to us on IRC :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC 29
Unfortunately using threads in python have conflicts with aptdaemon, i've removed now, no more cute progressbar :-( a way could be transport the aptdaemon client in a python script and call it from commandline via gio.AppInfo().launch(). i'll take a look at gettext, thanks Julien. Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc revision 22
Pushed up revision 22. solved (i'm not sure) the bugs reported by Markus, i've changed the way Lsc charge the apps, the startup is more slow in beginner mode, but the listing o the apps is very fast. the apps are listed by package name (for example yorvik-cubeview is named CubeView and isn't the last of the graphics section). Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc revision 22
with the new software center in oneiric, replace the UI of software-center will be difficult, i think a software center is a software center anyway. i've pushed up the revision 23, changed the details dialog. i'm waiting your feedbacks! Regards Stephen Smally P.S. i'm glad you like it! On 27/08/2011 18:29, Glenn de Groot wrote: I tried LSC and I like it.IMHO, in order to wear the Software Center name it must look like USC.Muon Software does it for KDE: http://www.wonderly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/muon-software-center.pngWere you going for that look eventually or are you planning to create a brand new interface? -Glenn ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc revision 22
On 08/27/2011 11:22 AM, Stefano wrote: Pushed up revision 22. solved (i'm not sure) the bugs reported by Markus, i've changed the way Lsc charge the apps, the startup is more slow in beginner mode, but the listing o the apps is very fast. the apps are listed by package name (for example yorvik-cubeview is named CubeView and isn't the last of the graphics section). Thanks, I played a bit with it, and this is some comments : UI comments : - Presentation of the categories could be an array of icons, not a list - Search box should be available all the time (and I think on the right it's better, like on browsers) - Information (such package selected, or extra information) should be display in the same window, like on a right pane - Available / Installed / Apps Basket should be marked as enable, when you click on it and you are on the page. Currently, you can't see if your view is a list of installed apps, or a list of available apps. - Available / Installed / Apps Basket could probably be on the left (like in the first versions) Bugs : - When changing Expert / Beginner Mode, you need to close LSC. It should restart itself or refresh automatically - In .ini, expert_mode should be TRUE or FALSE (it's more standard) - An icon for the main window is missing (at least a temporary one if you want to do some branding later) Some features that could be nice to have : - Add an option to start software-properties-gtk (to add PPA) - Add a combined view, mixing installed and not installed packages / apps, with a mark on installed package. - Add an ability to sort items by popcon I think it will be soon usable (you can already do interesting things with it), you will have to think about how to distribute it and maintain it (add a proper build system, do releases, handle bugs reports ...). Eventually you can use Launchpad for many things, you just need to configure it :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc revision 15
Pushed up revision 15, added beginner mode by default (only applications in /usr/share/app-install/desktop), you can switch to expert mode by changing the settings in the file LSC.ini. preferences settings is to do, the branch work with me, but i repeat, if somebody knows how to set up a ppa, can get the branch and do it (it's opensource ;-D). the icons of the programs aren't rendered because i've got some problem using icons of different format in a treeview (message errors by librsvg), only the icon present in theme are rendered (a classic deb icon for the other). please give me feedback, and test, of course. Regards Stephen Smally. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc revision 18
I've pushed up the revision 18, fixed some bugs and changed the apps basket (more user-friendly now). in the revision 17 i've fixed a serious bug, some package like e.g. libnotify1-gtk2.10 are automatically installed via other package by apt (libnotify1-gtk2.10 is contained in libnotify1), but lsc was not set up to substitute this kind of package, now is ok, if somebody can test, a tipical app that give this bug is the gnustep de (so all the apps written in objc) e.g. charmap.app. Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC
ok, last update: i've changed the installation/removement dialog with aptdaemon.gtkwidgets.AptProgressDialog that is more standardizerd, with terminal and detailed progressbar. Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC news
On 25/08/2011 00:34, Julien Lavergne wrote: Le Wednesday 24 August 2011 à 23:27 +0200, Stefano a écrit : new branch and new fats-search engine for the Lubuntu Software Center, of course is still incomplete, hope will be ready for 12.04. get the branch: bzr branch lp:lubuntu-software-center Thank you for the update. It starts to be interesting and useful :) Just some comments : - software-center is beginning to move to packagekit backend, instead of the aptdaemon one. You should probably have a look at it if you want to to do more complex operations with the package manager. Fortunately, the concepts of aptdaemon and packagekit are the same, it should not block your UI or the way your software-center behave. - 1 feature that IMO a software-center must have, is the ability to show only real applications, not the list of all packages. As far as I know, it's not implemented in packagekit yet. 1 solution, is to parse the directory /usr/share/app-install/desktop/, which contain all the applications on Ubuntu repository (each .desktop file represent 1 application). Also, you will need at some point a proper build system, translation support etc .. but it can be added later. Regards, Julien Lavergne yes, i had taked a look to packagekit, i will look again. of course we need a way to know if a package is a real application, are app-install and app-install-data installed by default on lubuntu? alternatively we can use a simple text file containing a list of the real-applications-package. e.g. #apps.list firefox chromium evolution thunderbird ... Regards Stephen Smally P.S. new update, indipendent search entry for available and installed sections ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC news
Le Thursday 25 August 2011 à 19:41 +0800, PCMan a écrit : Parsing the result of this query http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contentskeywords=.desktopsubmit=Search; basically give you a list of real applications. However, ubuntu website only returned the first 100 items found. What a pity. Otherwise we can have a good, realtime, and realiable source of this list. Is it possible to get support from ubuntu people? A list for real applications sounds reasonable. It's exactly the content of app-install directory. It's a list of the desktop files available in all packages on Ubuntu, and it's updated regularly. It's the same data used in software-center. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC news
Le Thursday 25 August 2011 à 14:56 +0200, Stefano a écrit : i've noticed that that parsing /usr/share/app-install/desktop is quite simple, using this list in LSC is very fast. the problem is merge two list. USC hide the non-real application packages, but i think is best do a think like this: in the preferences dialog (TODO) we will put a combo or a checkbutton calling it Expert mode, if the Expert mode is active all the pacackages will be listed (by default is off), if not the list will contains only the real applications packages (suitable for beginner). +1, sounds good. another problem is that most of the desktop files, in /usr/share/app-install/desktop, in the section Categories have more of one value (e.g. AudioVideo and Graphics as in the package StopMotion). where lsc should append this packages? IMO, you should consider Categories like tags : 1 application can have several tags. You can't categorize all applications with only 1 Category. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC news
i don't really know how to set up a ppa, but if somebody know how to do or want get involve i can create an admin group for LSC. i'm having some problem with the branch now, it says that the branch are diverged, i will fix as soon as possible. On 25/08/2011 18:17, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: Stefano: Could you upload your work to a PPA for start trying LSC? It would be great. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC news
And while you all laugh Can someone give me the idiots guide as to how to pull this into my 11.10 test area? Adding PPA's I can do, but I've lost track of what is where! Thanks, Phill. On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it wrote: python lubuntu-software-center.py ;-D i've pushed the revision 14, i've changed the ui a little (that give more focus on the app list, give me feedback please). all the files are in now, ready to test. Regards Stephen Smally On 25/08/2011 20:37, Julien Lavergne wrote: Le Thursday 25 August 2011 à 12:17 -0400, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit : Could you upload your work to a PPA for start trying LSC? It would be great. If you just want to test it, you just need to download the branch (bzr branch lp:lubuntu-software-center), and launch it (python lubuntu-software-center). Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC news
If you just want to test it, you just need to download the branch (bzr branch lp:lubuntu-software-center), and launch it (python lubuntu-software-center). Terminal output: bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stephen-smally/lubuntu-software-center/trunk/.bzr/repository/indices/f967347238cd3d1952abaa85a72c25f6.rix: Missing the Content-Range header in a 206 range response Still thinking that a PPA is the best. -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC news
new branch and new fats-search engine for the Lubuntu Software Center, of course is still incomplete, hope will be ready for 12.04. get the branch: bzr branch lp:lubuntu-software-center Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC news
Le Wednesday 24 August 2011 à 23:27 +0200, Stefano a écrit : new branch and new fats-search engine for the Lubuntu Software Center, of course is still incomplete, hope will be ready for 12.04. get the branch: bzr branch lp:lubuntu-software-center Thank you for the update. It starts to be interesting and useful :) Just some comments : - software-center is beginning to move to packagekit backend, instead of the aptdaemon one. You should probably have a look at it if you want to to do more complex operations with the package manager. Fortunately, the concepts of aptdaemon and packagekit are the same, it should not block your UI or the way your software-center behave. - 1 feature that IMO a software-center must have, is the ability to show only real applications, not the list of all packages. As far as I know, it's not implemented in packagekit yet. 1 solution, is to parse the directory /usr/share/app-install/desktop/, which contain all the applications on Ubuntu repository (each .desktop file represent 1 application). Also, you will need at some point a proper build system, translation support etc .. but it can be added later. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lsc news
hi everybody, i'm doing some work on Lsc (aka lubuntu software center). i've understood that USC is too much complex, cleaning up the code and removing unuseful parts will be too much difficutl (imho). MintInstall use massively synaptic as backend via os.popen (really i don't like it). anyway, the branch is still lp:~stephen-smally/+junk/lubuntu-software-center now Lsc list the sections give in the file data/categories (the syntax is Name||icon-name||section e.g. Utils||applications-utilities||utils). choosing a section, Lsc list the apps contained in the section, selecting an app you can see some info (description). you can also see your installed apps. at the moment you can remove or install packages (coming soon). there is a stupid function that define if the package is an app or a lib, but it doesn't work fine. please give me some feedbacks Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
