Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools (submenus or not)
Le dimanche 13 février 2011 à 02:42 -0800, Jonathan Marsden a écrit : Sounds reasonable. However, I saw this as a small bug needing fixing, not a chance to do significant Lubuntu UI (re)design work :) Oh yes, this one is a good example :) So for now, I've fixed the bug as presented (the original bug submitter has declared himself happy with the proposed change, and others confirm it works). I've made the change in bzr and pushed it back up there, so it is easy for the package maintainer to roll out a package containing that change. (Maybe I should set the bug to Fix committed already? I'm not quite sure what Fix-committed means for bzr-based packages). Fix commited is not really used on Ubuntu, only for post-release update. We directly set it as Fix released when the update enter the repository. Do you have a link to this one ? I can sponsor it if you want :) Also I'm working on the menu structure right now, adding other fixes. I'll have something to show you in a couple of hours :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools (submenus or not)
Guys: 2011/2/11 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm On 02/11/2011 04:43 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: Thanks Jonathan. I can't see the benefit of the 2 sub-menu Administration and System tools. Why not merged them into 1 ? 1 thing I like in the LXDE/Lubuntu menu is that everything is quickly available. What do you think ? So to me, it makes sense as is. I was looking for a happy medium between everything vaguely System related goes into one big System menu, and the old way of System Preferences apps not even being noticeably System oriented in the menus, which I think is unfortunate -- the difference between a per-user change and a per-machine change is significant. But I'm not (yet?) a long-term every day Lubuntu or LXDE user. I am more used to the Ubuntu GNOME menu structure, which has System - Administration - Synaptic (for example)... so reflecting that in Lubuntu makes it much easier for me, personally, to find things, than when Synaptic was in Preferences :) That doesn't mean my way will suit everyone, though. Jonathan For me at least, if everything would be merged into one only sub-menu i would know where to do something that normally i won't use every day of my normal use of a computer. So, in favor of space and practicity i'm with Julien on this. It would remind me a little of XP wich honestly, was good. About control center: isn't there a way to start a window of pcmanfm without the adress column to make the pcmanfm-control-center?!?!?? How sad :'( -- jpxsat Ubuntu user #29.157 (Lubuntu 10.04) Linux user #522.597 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools (UPDATED)
Julien, Could you post a screenshot of the result menu ? I have difficulty to see the result of the XML file :) OK. I just added before and after screenshots to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/650432/+attachment/1844025/+files/lubuntu-menus-before.jpg https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/650432/+attachment/1844041/+files/lubuntu-menus-after.jpg Basically, a whole bunch of system-wide 'preference' tools move out of the Preferences menu, and the System Tools Menu is renamed to System which has two submenus, Administration (for all these moved system admin tools), and System Tools (for ones that were in the previous System Tools top level menu). Jonathan -- Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools (UPDATED)
2011/2/11 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm: OK. I just added before and after screenshots to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/650432/+attachment/1844025/+files/lubuntu-menus-before.jpg https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/650432/+attachment/1844041/+files/lubuntu-menus-after.jpg Basically, a whole bunch of system-wide 'preference' tools move out of the Preferences menu, and the System Tools Menu is renamed to System which has two submenus, Administration (for all these moved system admin tools), and System Tools (for ones that were in the previous System Tools top level menu). Thanks Jonathan. I can't see the benefit of the 2 sub-menu Administration and System tools. Why not merged them into 1 ? 1 thing I like in the LXDE/Lubuntu menu is that everything is quickly available. What do you think ? Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools (UPDATED)
Ah - I was going to but thought the other would be lost without the context (I'd not noticed your last mail was addressed to the list as opposed to just me). Sorry, still learning the ropes about this mailing list thing. Once more, good job! Kristian On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: Kristian, Please use Reply all so you do not send replies just to me, that should really go to the list. On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:06 +0100, Kristian Nordestgaard kristia...@gmail.com wrote: Just copied this file over and it works fine! Thanks! I hope to see it in the next version of Lubuntu! We'll see. Still needs packaging, and we're short on time. This is now being tracked as bug #650432 on LaunchPad, so we can continue to work on it there. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/650432 Jonathan -- Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools (UPDATED)
Kristian, On 02/07/2011 11:36 PM, Kristian Nordestgaard wrote: I tested the attached file on a (almost) vanilla install, and it worked. I for one find System Tools a proper naming, I think. Thanks. You replied just to me, but I think you probably intended to send to the list :) At the moment we get System - System Tools - the_actual_tools . I wonder if the double System in there is awkward, or not? Meanwhile, I attemppted to validate my updated enu file, and found it was invalid (even though it worked fine). So I have updated it to something that validates when using xmllint --valid -o /dev/null /etc/xdg/menus/lxde-applications.menu No practical difference, but it is a technically valid XML file now :) Jonathan Applications lxde-menu-applications.directory Accessories lxde-utility.directory Utility Accessibility System Universal Access lxde-utility-accessibility.directory Accessibility Settings Development lxde-development.directory Development emacs.desktop Education lxde-education.directory Education Games lxde-game.directory Game Graphics lxde-graphics.directory Graphics Utility Internet lxde-network.directory Network Multimedia lxde-audio-video.directory AudioVideo Office lxde-office.directory Office System lxde-system.directory System Administration lxde-settings-system.directory System Settings SystemTools lxde-system-tools.directory System Settings PackageManager Other lxde-other.directory Core Settings Screensaver DesktopSettings lxde-settings.directory Settings PackageManager System DesktopSettings ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools
Am Montag 07 Februar 2011, um 04:51:19 schrieb Jonathan Marsden: On 02/06/2011 06:29 PM, Kristian wrote: Just put Lubuntu on a few machines. I can't see why the following apps get listed as under Preferences in the menu - I think they are definately System Tools and should be grouped as such. ... I agree. Since these packages are not (as far as I know) Lubuntu-specific, I think we need to find out why the Lubuntu/LXDE menu system is placing them in Preferences when the GNOME menus put them under System -- for the exact same .desktop files. Does anyone know, or have a pointer to roughly where in the LXDE sources this decision (which menu to put apps into) is being done? That would save me/us from wading through the code to try and find it. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp I think you are wong. If you take a look at the *.desktop file from synaptic you will notice that in the categories line there is more than one category given. If you compare TaskManager which can be found under the system menu and synaptic you will see that they bove are in the system category but that synaptic is also in the settings category. I think that the settings category has a higher priority and thats the case why synaptic is put in the preferences menu. And btw. its the same in ubuntu. (GNOME) So I don't think we can fix that here. Maybe we could propose a lxde patched *.desktop file (just like the synaptic-kde.desktop file) but that wouldn't be a elegant solution. Everything else (i.e. messing with the menu generation code) might brake the freedesktop.org compatibility. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools
2011/2/7 Kristian kristia...@gmail.com: Hi, Just put Lubuntu on a few machines. I can't see why the following apps get listed as under Preferences in the menu - I think they are definately System Tools and should be grouped as such. These are the apps that I talk about: -Additional Drivers -Synaptic Package Manager -Update Manager -Users and Groups Hum, yes, it's the case in Ubuntu. You can found the layout of the Lubuntu menu here : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+junk/lubuntu-default-settings/view/head:/etc/xdg/lubuntu/menus/lxde-applications.menu The LXDE one is quite the same, it's a LXDE decision to group the menus like this. But we can change it for Lubuntu :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools
Hi Boss, I'm with the original poster on this . Setting a (sub) group of 'Admin' or 'System Control' would make sense to me. Regards Phill. On 7 February 2011 23:58, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: 2011/2/7 Kristian kristia...@gmail.com: Hi, Just put Lubuntu on a few machines. I can't see why the following apps get listed as under Preferences in the menu - I think they are definately System Tools and should be grouped as such. These are the apps that I talk about: -Additional Drivers -Synaptic Package Manager -Update Manager -Users and Groups Hum, yes, it's the case in Ubuntu. You can found the layout of the Lubuntu menu here : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+junk/lubuntu-default-settings/view/head:/etc/xdg/lubuntu/menus/lxde-applications.menu The LXDE one is quite the same, it's a LXDE decision to group the menus like this. But we can change it for Lubuntu :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
