Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-29 Thread Julien Lavergne
This is a quick summarise of the different type of installation,
up-to-date with 11.10 :

By using desktop ISO : Installation done using Ubiquity + a live
session, by copying the image of the CD into the system. It's the
recommend way for testing and installing Lubuntu. Note that using the
live session or the Install only mode will do teh same result, just
using less memory.

By using alternate ISO : Installation using debian installer type. No
live session available. Design to install Lubuntu on everything,
especially if the Ubiquity or the live session is not supported. You can
do the same with the command line, by using sudo apt-get install
lubuntu-desktop, on a minimum Ubuntu installation (see
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems#Install_an_Ubuntu_command-line_system)

Minimal installation : Only on a command line system, just install the
lubuntu-core by doing sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core. It should
install only core components of Lubuntu + the artwork. I would suggest
to also install lxdm or lightdm to have a graphical login manager.

As you can see, the --no-install-recommends is not necessary since
11.10. It can be used for people who wants minimal depends, but you have
to be carefull, because sometimes some recommended packages are very
useful, and so not installed if you use --no-install-recommends. I don't
think we need other type of installation, unless I miss a use case :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



Le 12/28/2011 07:28 AM, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
 Hi Hùng,

 an apology from me.

 We will get it updated to the alternate ISO. As we got full adoption,
 the builds and releases of Lubuntu having both the approved system and
 our older not fully approved builds.

 I do thank you for bringing this to our attention, we are a small team
  can miss things.

 @ Julien  PCMan  an older FAQ, can it be up dated, or simply
 point to a more recent area.
 @ A J await until you are better  add it to the thread on the forum.

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com
 mailto:nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just checked our Minimal Install guide
 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.

 I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install
 --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop command to install
 Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends we only have Lubuntu with
 PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update Manager and
 Preferred Applications.

 As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a
 full Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB
 because they can't use Ubiquity.
 Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when
 their desktops almost have nothing.

 Regards,
 TRẦN Duy Hùng
 http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-29 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi boss,

so the information for 11.10 is correct at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#A11.10 I hope!

If that is correct, then adding the section for 12.04 will be a much easier
task for me :)

Hoping you had a good Christmas,

Phill.

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

  This is a quick summarise of the different type of installation,
 up-to-date with 11.10 :

 By using desktop ISO : Installation done using Ubiquity + a live session,
 by copying the image of the CD into the system. It's the recommend way for
 testing and installing Lubuntu. Note that using the live session or the
 Install only mode will do teh same result, just using less memory.

 By using alternate ISO : Installation using debian installer type. No live
 session available. Design to install Lubuntu on everything, especially if
 the Ubiquity or the live session is not supported. You can do the same with
 the command line, by using sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, on a
 minimum Ubuntu installation (see
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems#Install_an_Ubuntu_command-line_system
 )

 Minimal installation : Only on a command line system, just install the
 lubuntu-core by doing sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core. It should
 install only core components of Lubuntu + the artwork. I would suggest to
 also install lxdm or lightdm to have a graphical login manager.

 As you can see, the --no-install-recommends is not necessary since 11.10.
 It can be used for people who wants minimal depends, but you have to be
 carefull, because sometimes some recommended packages are very useful, and
 so not installed if you use --no-install-recommends. I don't think we need
 other type of installation, unless I miss a use case :)

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne



 Le 12/28/2011 07:28 AM, Phill Whiteside a écrit :

 Hi Hùng,

  an apology from me.

  We will get it updated to the alternate ISO. As we got full adoption,
 the builds and releases of Lubuntu having both the approved system and our
 older not fully approved builds.

  I do thank you for bringing this to our attention, we are a small team 
 can miss things.

  @ Julien  PCMan  an older FAQ, can it be up dated, or simply point
 to a more recent area.
 @ A J await until you are better  add it to the thread on the forum.

  Regards,

  Phill.


 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all,

  I just checked our Minimal Install guide at
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.

  I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
 lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends
 we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
 Manager and Preferred Applications.

  As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
 Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
 can't use Ubiquity.
 Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
 desktops almost have nothing.

  Regards,
 TRẦN Duy Hùng
 http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-28 Thread Phil Lockhart



On 28/12/11 07:01, Jared Norris wrote:

On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trầnnguyentieu...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi all,

I just checked our Minimal Install guide
at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.

I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends
we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
Manager and Preferred Applications.

As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
can't use Ubiquity.
Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
desktops almost have nothing.

Regards,
TRẦN Duy Hùng
http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/

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My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
other stuff anyway?

I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.


I used the alternate to install to an old laptop 1.3 GHz Celeron M  256 
Mb RAM (since upgraded).
Ubiquity kept crashing  the alternate worked just fine.  It gave me a 
full Lubuntu install.


Today I have used the Mini iso to install to a Compaq TC1000 Tablet with 
a 1GHz Transmeta Crusoe CPU  256 Mb RAM (possibly 512,it's a bit 
unclear).   No, I don't know what a Crusoe CPU is either.  For the 
tablet I want the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM of 'stuff' on there  I'll try to 
build something half workable from there.  All I have at the moment is a 
browser, window manager  synaptic, pretty much.  I'm going to start on 
wireless tomorrow.


I never thought I'd see the day I'd be doing this kind of thing, you 
guys have inspired me to be brave :)




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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-28 Thread Benny Hult


 I used the alternate to install to an old laptop 1.3 GHz Celeron M  256
 Mb RAM (since upgraded).
 Ubiquity kept crashing  the alternate worked just fine.  It gave me a
 full Lubuntu install.

 Today I have used the Mini iso to install to a Compaq TC1000 Tablet with a
 1GHz Transmeta Crusoe CPU  256 Mb RAM (possibly 512,it's a bit unclear).
 No, I don't know what a Crusoe CPU is either.  For the tablet I want the
 ABSOLUTE MINIMUM of 'stuff' on there  I'll try to build something half
 workable from there.  All I have at the moment is a browser, window manager
  synaptic, pretty much.  I'm going to start on wireless tomorrow.

 I never thought I'd see the day I'd be doing this kind of thing, you guys
 have inspired me to be brave :)



Back in the change of the millenium there was a common question that was
directed to Linus when he was talking some where: What does Transmeta do?
Usually couple of hands got rised with same question.

Oh well, later Transmeta released Crusoe CPU which was totally low energy
consumption CPU, a huge improvement on laptop markets (flybook for
example). Later Transmeta got purchased by VIA. You can read more about it
from wikipedia for example.

And yes Minimal CD is da thing, smartest way to install operating system.
And when you install lubuntu-desktop meta package, it will fetch the whole
thingie. lubuntu-core installs just the core, basics to build your desktop.

Laters ;)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Hùng,

an apology from me.

We will get it updated to the alternate ISO. As we got full adoption, the
builds and releases of Lubuntu having both the approved system and our
older not fully approved builds.

I do thank you for bringing this to our attention, we are a small team 
can miss things.

@ Julien  PCMan  an older FAQ, can it be up dated, or simply point to
a more recent area.
@ A J await until you are better  add it to the thread on the forum.

Regards,

Phill.


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just checked our Minimal Install guide at
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.

 I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
 lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends
 we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
 Manager and Preferred Applications.

 As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
 Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
 can't use Ubiquity.
 Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
 desktops almost have nothing.

 Regards,
 TRẦN Duy Hùng
 http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-27 Thread Jared Norris
On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I just checked our Minimal Install guide
 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.

 I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
 lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends
 we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
 Manager and Preferred Applications.

 As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
 Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
 can't use Ubiquity.
 Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
 desktops almost have nothing.

 Regards,
 TRẦN Duy Hùng
 http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/

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My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
other stuff anyway?

I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-27 Thread Hùng Trần
Hi Phill,

You're welcome! I think it's not your fault and I'm very happy to be a part
of the team :).

Hi Jared,

I agree with you too. Actually sudo apt-get install
--no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop is the command I always use
because I don't have time to remove the applications I don't use (like
ace-of-penguins game, gnome-mplayer...).

Hi all,

I think we should give some explaintions in the wiki. If reader wants a
full Lubuntu desktop, just use sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop, if
he/she wants a minimal desktop and then add new applications by
him/herself, so just use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
lubuntu-desktop.

Regards,
TRẦN Duy Hùng
http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/


On 28 December 2011 14:01, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I just checked our Minimal Install guide
  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
 
  I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
  lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With
 --no-install-recommends
  we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
  Manager and Preferred Applications.
 
  As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
  Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
  can't use Ubiquity.
  Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
  desktops almost have nothing.
 
  Regards,
  TRẦN Duy Hùng
  http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/
 
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 My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
 correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
 why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
 installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
 the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
 wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
 really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
 want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
 other stuff anyway?

 I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
 and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.

 --
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 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-27 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Keeping low profile for some days is VERY boring but I won't overdo it so
one reply and I'm off :)

From what I understand:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download

If you read the above two links, you maybe a little bit confused and think
both are the same but in the matter of fact, these two installs are NOT the
same.

From the first link:

The Minimal CD will download packages from online archives at installation
 time instead of providing them on the install CD itself. Downloading
 packages at install time reduces the size of the install CD to
 approximately 5 to 30MB depending on architecture (see below), as well as
 providing only the packages needed for installation. The download time
 savings achieved by using a Minimal CD can be significant, as only current
 packages are downloaded, so there is no need to upgrade packages
 immediately after installation. The Minimal CD uses a text-based installer
 like the Alternate CD, making the CD image as compact as possible.



From the second link:

The text-based alternate installer can be downloaded from a location near
 you http://www.ubuntu.com/start-download. This installation CD is
 suited for computers unable to run the graphical desktop based
 installation, either because their computer does not meet the minimum
 requirements for the live cd or because their computer requires
 configuration after the installation is complete in order to use the
 desktop.



This link here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
May give a better understanding.

From what I understand, the mini install could be used not only for people
with low end hardware but also for those who seek simplicity and want to
build their system as per what they really need and avoid the extra stuff.
Once you have the base or the core system, you can install whatever you
want.

So, I'm with Jared and also happy to be proved wrong :)
If we are wrong, then the above two links MUST be updated and someone must
be more accurate.

By the way, last night, I was SO bored so I downloaded the mini iso and
installed it on one of my test PCs.  I managed to find a wired connection
(finally) because I always use the Wireless connection. I'm actually
planning to build a system that even lighter than Lubuntu (the one that we
all know). I'm planning to do some tests so later on I can install Lubuntu
instead of Linux Mint LXDE 9 on this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614

By the way, YES, that laptop does work until now. At that time, Lubuntu
10.04 did not work at all and I had less experience than now. I do want to
install Lubuntu and will do whatever it takes to do that.

Thank you everyone :)
Now, logging off.


@Phill
Once I can resume my normal activities, I'm going to finish my test with
the mini install and if I managed to do what I want, I'll write a simple
guide and add it to Lubuntu One Stop Thread :) if there will be more
details then I'll write a new thread and then add it to LOST.

:)


On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I just checked our Minimal Install guide
  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
 
  I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
  lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With
 --no-install-recommends
  we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
  Manager and Preferred Applications.
 
  As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
  Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
  can't use Ubiquity.
  Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
  desktops almost have nothing.
 
  Regards,
  TRẦN Duy Hùng
  http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/
 
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 My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
 correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
 why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
 installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
 the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
 wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
 really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
 want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
 other stuff anyway?

 I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
 and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.

 --
 Regards,

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 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris

 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
As you know, before we were adopted, we only had 'home spun' disks...

The Full On Ubiquity was always to be the official one, but not a great
deal of help for lower spec computers. The argument did go up as to why
they botched a bug by requiring 2 X Ram instead of simply putting your
patch in. You do not know how much this idiotic 'fix' caused, but we were
not adopted at that point and could not log it as a regression. Since then
the bug has remained, it does, Jared, really grate me as it was such a
simple fix to bloody make and get Ubiquity running at a decent speed.

To keep the peace, we were told to accept the alternate iso which does not
require Ubiquity. As the Canonical team are now also trying to build PPC /
Mac-Intel / ARM etc. I do ask what are the more important cases for the
kernel team and also the QA / Testing team to prioritise?

Julien has already made it quite clear that any group that wish support for
a particular chip set Get a testing team together  we will do it. No
decent testing team == no support. Oh, does this sound backwards?... Until
we have people to test, we simply cannot test... So go get your friends.

@ QA - do tell me where I am wrong in terms of bodies to test.

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 28 December 2011 13:46, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I just checked our Minimal Install guide
  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.
 
  I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends
  lubuntu-desktop command to install Lubuntu. With
 --no-install-recommends
  we only have Lubuntu with PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update
  Manager and Preferred Applications.
 
  As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a full
  Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB because they
  can't use Ubiquity.
  Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when their
  desktops almost have nothing.
 
  Regards,
  TRẦN Duy Hùng
  http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/
 
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 My understanding is different although I don't know which of us is
 correct. For mine if all you're trying to do is avoid Ubiquity then
 why not just use the alternate installer? To me the minimal
 installation is just that, the bare minimum. From what I understand
 the minimum install is aimed at REALLY low end computers or people not
 wanting to download lots of data over the internet. If you have a
 really low end computer you only want the bare minimum, if you don't
 want to download large ISOs why would you want to download all the
 other stuff anyway?

 I'm happy to be proved wrong but I just have a different understanding
 and hoping to clear the issue for both our sakes.

 --
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem

2011-11-18 Thread Yorvyk
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:03:38 -0500
Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Stephen,
 
 I found that to enter GRUB you simply press and hold SHIFT.  I added the
 parameter to the end of the the boot command and booted they system and it
 did the same thing.Lubuntu splash and then the screen goes blank.
 
 
 Tim
 
 On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Smally 
 eco.st...@fastwebnet.itwrote:
 
   On 11/17/2011 04:49 AM, Tim Bernhard wrote:
 
  Hi Everyone,
 
   I'm, trying to resurrect an old Sony Vaio PCG-9401.  This thing is an
  old Windose ME machine that came with AMD processor, 12GB hard drive and
  64mb of RAM.  I had a 128mb stick of pc-100 so I dropped that in to bring
  the RAM up to 192mb.  I installed Lubuntu using the mini.iso.  It took a
  while but the install completed.
 
   The problem is that after rebooting the system I get the following
  message:
 
   vt596_smbus :00:07.4: SMBUS: Error: Host SMBus controller not
  enabled! - upgrade BIOS or use force=1
 
 
   After that, the Lubuntu splash screen is briefly displayed and then the
  screen goes blank.
 
   Any ideas?
 
   Thanks,
 
   Tim
 
 
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  try to enter into the grub (you have to hit some keys if it doesn't show
  up automatically, something like Canc, google for it), go on the line that
  says L/Ubuntu * with Linux * (* means the version of the system, 11.10
  with linux 3 or so on), enter e (to edit the entry) and add force=1 after
  quiet splash.
 
  this because the message says:
 
  upgrade BIOS or use force=1
 
  This mean that you grub is too old for Lubuntu, you have to upgrade it, or
  you can add force=1 at the start to avoid the problem.
  if it works i will tell you how to make it persistent (by default when you
  edit an entry the changes you made aren't persistent).
 
  Stephen Smally
 
  P.S. sorry for the different font
 

It would appear there isn't really a solution for this problem, from what I've 
found googling. :(
To cheer you up though, todays xkcd http://xkcd.org/ :)

My only sugestion is to try the alternate install, rather than the minimal 
method.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem

2011-11-18 Thread Tim Bernhard
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:


 It would appear there isn't really a solution for this problem, from what
 I've found googling. :(
 To cheer you up though, todays xkcd http://xkcd.org/ :)

 My only sugestion is to try the alternate install, rather than the minimal
 method.

 --
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Thanks,

I ended up using Wary (from Puppy Linux) and was able to get it running.
Not the most elegant solution, but it works.  It will probably never get
used anyway.  My friend just wanted something for his father to use when he
hangs around his office.  He was going to buy something else so I decided
to see if I could get Lubuntu on it.

Thanks for the XKCD too.  Perfect!  I love this one:  http://xkcd.com/149/
:)

Tim
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem

2011-11-17 Thread Stephen Smally

On 11/17/2011 04:49 AM, Tim Bernhard wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I'm, trying to resurrect an old Sony Vaio PCG-9401.  This thing is an 
old Windose ME machine that came with AMD processor, 12GB hard drive 
and 64mb of RAM.  I had a 128mb stick of pc-100 so I dropped that in 
to bring the RAM up to 192mb.  I installed Lubuntu using the mini.iso. 
 It took a while but the install completed.


The problem is that after rebooting the system I get the following 
message:


vt596_smbus :00:07.4: SMBUS: Error: Host SMBus controller not 
enabled! - upgrade BIOS or use force=1



After that, the Lubuntu splash screen is briefly displayed and then 
the screen goes blank.


Any ideas?

Thanks,

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try to enter into the grub (you have to hit some keys if it doesn't show 
up automatically, something like Canc, google for it), go on the line 
that says L/Ubuntu * with Linux * (* means the version of the system, 
11.10 with linux 3 or so on), enter e (to edit the entry) and add 
force=1 after quiet splash.

this because the message says:

upgrade BIOS or use force=1

This mean that you grub is too old for Lubuntu, you have to upgrade it, 
or you can add force=1 at the start to avoid the problem.
if it works i will tell you how to make it persistent (by default when 
you edit an entry the changes you made aren't persistent).


Stephen Smally

P.S. sorry for the different font

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem

2011-11-17 Thread Tim Bernhard
Thanks Stephen,

I found that to enter GRUB you simply press and hold SHIFT.  I added the
parameter to the end of the the boot command and booted they system and it
did the same thing.Lubuntu splash and then the screen goes blank.


Tim

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Smally eco.st...@fastwebnet.itwrote:

  On 11/17/2011 04:49 AM, Tim Bernhard wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

  I'm, trying to resurrect an old Sony Vaio PCG-9401.  This thing is an
 old Windose ME machine that came with AMD processor, 12GB hard drive and
 64mb of RAM.  I had a 128mb stick of pc-100 so I dropped that in to bring
 the RAM up to 192mb.  I installed Lubuntu using the mini.iso.  It took a
 while but the install completed.

  The problem is that after rebooting the system I get the following
 message:

  vt596_smbus :00:07.4: SMBUS: Error: Host SMBus controller not
 enabled! - upgrade BIOS or use force=1


  After that, the Lubuntu splash screen is briefly displayed and then the
 screen goes blank.

  Any ideas?

  Thanks,

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 try to enter into the grub (you have to hit some keys if it doesn't show
 up automatically, something like Canc, google for it), go on the line that
 says L/Ubuntu * with Linux * (* means the version of the system, 11.10
 with linux 3 or so on), enter e (to edit the entry) and add force=1 after
 quiet splash.

 this because the message says:

 upgrade BIOS or use force=1

 This mean that you grub is too old for Lubuntu, you have to upgrade it, or
 you can add force=1 at the start to avoid the problem.
 if it works i will tell you how to make it persistent (by default when you
 edit an entry the changes you made aren't persistent).

 Stephen Smally

 P.S. sorry for the different font


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install Problem

2011-11-16 Thread Tim Bernhard
Hi Everyone,

I'm, trying to resurrect an old Sony Vaio PCG-9401.  This thing is an old
Windose ME machine that came with AMD processor, 12GB hard drive and 64mb
of RAM.  I had a 128mb stick of pc-100 so I dropped that in to bring the
RAM up to 192mb.  I installed Lubuntu using the mini.iso.  It took a while
but the install completed.

The problem is that after rebooting the system I get the following message:


vt596_smbus :00:07.4: SMBUS: Error: Host SMBus controller not enabled!
- upgrade BIOS or use force=1


After that, the Lubuntu splash screen is briefly displayed and then the
screen goes blank.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Tim
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-23 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hiyas gang, can some confirm the md5 is 1932a563c99ae40721d1f37c3804c372 for
alternate disk, as the md5 checksum link reports a 404 error.

head_injury has the documentation done over at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall Again,
any input on this would be welcome. Once I have couple of confirmations that
things are okay, I'll release the little bugga into the world :D

thanks,

Phill.

On 22 October 2010 23:13, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:18:58 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Cheers,
 
  As you know I'm severely hampered by the fact that only a basic 9.10
 ubuntu
  can 'see' my 3G device, as the pub is moving company I cannot yet order
 my
  broadband connection. It's very frustrating, but life goes on.
 
  If you can scribble up a set of notes similar to what I put over at
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall I'll
 tidy
  them all up and get it all posted and documented.
 
 Boot from disk, follow instructions :D

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-23 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Dropbox link with md5 checksum is now available, maybe it was some kind of
short outage. The checksum is correct.

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hiyas gang, can some confirm the md5 is 1932a563c99ae40721d1f37c3804c372
 for alternate disk, as the md5 checksum link reports a 404 error.

 head_injury has the documentation done over at
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall Again,
 any input on this would be welcome. Once I have couple of confirmations that
 things are okay, I'll release the little bugga into the world :D

 thanks,

 Phill.


 On 22 October 2010 23:13, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:18:58 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Cheers,
 
  As you know I'm severely hampered by the fact that only a basic 9.10
 ubuntu
  can 'see' my 3G device, as the pub is moving company I cannot yet order
 my
  broadband connection. It's very frustrating, but life goes on.
 
  If you can scribble up a set of notes similar to what I put over at
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall I'll
 tidy
  them all up and get it all posted and documented.
 
 Boot from disk, follow instructions :D

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-23 Thread Yorvyk
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:12:17 +0100
Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 18:48:10 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:
 
  Hiyas gang, can some confirm the md5 is 1932a563c99ae40721d1f37c3804c372 for
  alternate disk, as the md5 checksum link reports a 404 error.
  
  head_injury has the documentation done over at
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall Again,
  any input on this would be welcome. Once I have couple of confirmations that
  things are okay, I'll release the little bugga into the world :D
  
 The little bugga has been available as a torrent for 20hrs now, thanks to 
 Michał Ćwikliński
 
   
 http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-detailsid=807f8f3c72e0a179c3e23cf0c42f68007b2a2901
 
 If you want to add that to the wiki.
 The lowest amount of RAM I got it to run on was 80KiB. It wouldn’t run on 
 64KiB, that may the the particular machine though.  I’m trying on another 
 machine now.
 
 
That should have been MiB not KiB.

The wiki states that 160MiB is the minimum for Ubiquity, this is true if you 
have a separate video card.  For a machine with on-board video more memory is 
required, probably 192 MiB.  The same appears to be true for the alternate 
installer.  80MiB with on-board video and 64 MiB with a separate card, although 
that is still running after 4hrs!


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-22 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hiyas,

quietly curses and shouts expletives.

the link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso

It's being tested now.

Regards,

Phill.

On 21 October 2010 00:02, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Oops, my bad

 http://phillw.net/lubuntu10.10-alternate.iso

  http://phillw.net/lubuntu10.10-alternate.isoRegards,

 Phill.


 On 20 October 2010 18:31, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:22:27 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Hiyas Gang,
 
  the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks
 out
  okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer)
  The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso  If some one
 could
  confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which
  I'll transfer over once I know the iso works.
 
 Wonderful! :D
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-22 Thread Phill Whiteside
Once you or (head_injury confirms that it is okay on his VB installation),
I'll release it into the wild and ask that it gets torrented up. Until then
it is only on my server area. iWeb are okay with me hosting beta stuff for
the lubuntu project, but obviously I do not to push my good will with them.

Regards,

Phill.

On 22 October 2010 12:41, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:55:52 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Hiyas,
 
  quietly curses and shouts expletives.
 
  the link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso
 
  It's being tested now.
 
 Downloading now, thanks Phill.
 Is there a torrent for this?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-22 Thread Yorvyk
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:27:54 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Once you or (head_injury confirms that it is okay on his VB installation),
 I'll release it into the wild and ask that it gets torrented up. Until then
 it is only on my server area. iWeb are okay with me hosting beta stuff for
 the lubuntu project, but obviously I do not to push my good will with them.
 
It installs and functions :)
Not tried it out fully yet but, can’t see any obvious problems.  Will give it a 
through(ish) going over tonight and tomorrow and let all involved know how it 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-22 Thread Phill Whiteside
Cheers,

As you know I'm severely hampered by the fact that only a basic 9.10 ubuntu
can 'see' my 3G device, as the pub is moving company I cannot yet order my
broadband connection. It's very frustrating, but life goes on.

If you can scribble up a set of notes similar to what I put over at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall I'll tidy
them all up and get it all posted and documented.

Thanks,

Phill.

On 22 October 2010 20:39, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:27:54 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Once you or (head_injury confirms that it is okay on his VB
 installation),
  I'll release it into the wild and ask that it gets torrented up. Until
 then
  it is only on my server area. iWeb are okay with me hosting beta stuff
 for
  the lubuntu project, but obviously I do not to push my good will with
 them.
 
 It installs and functions :)
 Not tried it out fully yet but, can’t see any obvious problems.  Will give
 it a through(ish) going over tonight and tomorrow and let all involved know
 how it goes.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-20 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hiyas Gang,

the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks out
okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer)
The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso  If some one could
confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which
I'll transfer over once I know the iso works.

Regards,

Phill.



On 19 October 2010 09:49, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

 Am 19.10.2010 01:07, schrieb Phill Whiteside:
  Crikey, Leszek,
 
  that's an awesome amount of work. If you and julien agree on it, then I
  would be more than happy to host it.
 
 I agree ;)
 Here is the first still unoffical Lubuntu 10.10 Alternate Install CD.
 It is a little bit bigger as I put some language files more in there and
 included lxkeymap, lxproxy aswell as lubuntu-control-center. They won't
 install by default. By default only lubuntu-desktop and its dependencies
 are installed.
 There is only one known bug so far, I forgot to change the date in the
 label of the CD ISO Image so it still claims the 7ths of October to be
 its build date. :P
 Here is the ISO Image (669 MB) :

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso

 and the MD5:

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5

 Please be aware that dropbox will block the file if too much traffic is
 produced. Therefor I only send this mail to you Phill  Julien not the
 list so that Julien has time to decide and you (Phill) the time for
 download and then putting in on your server ;)
  Thanks,
 
  Phill.
 
  On 18 October 2010 17:24, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
 
 
   Am 18.10.2010 15:25, schrieb Julien Lavergne:
 
  On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:59:06 +0200
  Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
 
 
 
   I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a
 repo. Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system,
 because it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel
 process which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version
 of yours. I even checked the modification you made but cant find the error.
 
 
   I'm not sure I made the correct fix for tasksel, it probably needs
 another fix somewhere. But I interesting to know how you made the initial
 CD, because I only find how doing an iso with squash filesystem, but not
 with .deb packages.
 
 
   Ok I see it wasn't quite the right fixes you made as the last line in
  lubuntu-desktop from the ubuntu-tasks folder contains
 
  Packages: task-fields
 
  This would as far as I understand connect to the ubuntu server and
 search
  for a corresponding task. But there isn't one.
 
  Packages: list
lubuntu-desktop
 
  works much better and fixes the error I got before.
 
  To create the CD I basically took the xubuntu alternate cd. Then I
 copied
  over the whole ISO and put it into one directory(lets call it cd-img).
  Replaced the isolinux folder with the fancy isolinux folder from the
 livecd
  with the cool looking logo png and where you can set language with F2
 and
  with F3 the keymap and so on.
  The first thing that I did afterwards was taking the xubuntu.preseed
 file
  that ships with the xubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso and changing it
  basically from xubuntu-desktop to lubuntu-desktop(I know there is a
  lubuntu.seed file on the live cd but I took the one from the other
 alternate
  cds as they were more entries and I didn't want to mess ups things).
 Then I
  put this preseed file back to my copy of the minimal install cd(so the
  cd-img folder) into the preseed folder.
  I did change the txt.cfg file in isolinux so that the default option
 would
  boot with the preseed file option of the lubuntu.seed .
  Then the little bit more tricky part create a repository. For creating
 this
  repository I know that I need every package that needs to be installed
 when
  installing lubuntu-desktop. Every means every , so also xorg and those
 other
  stuffs. As I had a Minimal Install ISO aswell I simply created a minimal
  installed cli only system in virtualbox and apt-get install(ed)
  lubuntu-desktop. All the required deb files are stored in
 /var/cache/apt/.
  The only thing to do now is getting those deb files outside the virtual
  machine. Then there is a cool package called apt-move which is pretty
 handy
  as it can automatically copy or move those deb files in a repository
 like
  hierarchical folder view. So it will create automatically the structure
 of a
  repository that you need, by putting in lubuntu-desktop for example  in
 a
  pool/l/lubuntu-meta/lubuntu-desktop_xXX-i386.deb file/folder structure.
 By
  default this repository structure will be put into /mirrors/debian so
 you
  need root right to run apt-move. But I guess the default folder is
  changeable I just was to lazy to read the 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-20 Thread Yorvyk
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:22:27 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hiyas Gang,
 
 the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks out
 okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer)
 The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso  If some one could
 confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which
 I'll transfer over once I know the iso works.
 
Wonderful! :D
...apart from the links not working :(


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-20 Thread Phill Whiteside
Oops, my bad

http://phillw.net/lubuntu10.10-alternate.iso

http://phillw.net/lubuntu10.10-alternate.isoRegards,

Phill.

On 20 October 2010 18:31, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:22:27 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Hiyas Gang,
 
  the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks
 out
  okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer)
  The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso  If some one
 could
  confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which
  I'll transfer over once I know the iso works.
 
 Wonderful! :D
 ...apart from the links not working :(


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:59:06 +0200
Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

 I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a repo. 
 Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system, because 
 it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel process 
 which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version of yours. 
 I even checked the modification you made but cant find the error. 

I'm not sure I made the correct fix for tasksel, it probably needs another fix 
somewhere. But I interesting to know how you made the initial CD, because I 
only find how doing an iso with squash filesystem, but not with .deb packages.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-18 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 18.10.2010 15:25, schrieb Julien Lavergne:
 On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:59:06 +0200
 Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

   
 I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a repo. 
 Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system, 
 because it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel 
 process which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version 
 of yours. I even checked the modification you made but cant find the error. 
 
 I'm not sure I made the correct fix for tasksel, it probably needs another 
 fix somewhere. But I interesting to know how you made the initial CD, because 
 I only find how doing an iso with squash filesystem, but not with .deb 
 packages.
   
Ok I see it wasn't quite the right fixes you made as the last line in
lubuntu-desktop from the ubuntu-tasks folder contains
 Packages: task-fields
This would as far as I understand connect to the ubuntu server and
search for a corresponding task. But there isn't one.
 Packages: list
   lubuntu-desktop
works much better and fixes the error I got before.

To create the CD I basically took the xubuntu alternate cd. Then I
copied over the whole ISO and put it into one directory(lets call it
cd-img). Replaced the isolinux folder with the fancy isolinux folder
from the livecd with the cool looking logo png and where you can set
language with F2 and with F3 the keymap and so on.
The first thing that I did afterwards was taking the xubuntu.preseed
file that ships with the xubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso and changing
it basically from xubuntu-desktop to lubuntu-desktop(I know there is a
lubuntu.seed file on the live cd but I took the one from the other
alternate cds as they were more entries and I didn't want to mess ups
things). Then I put this preseed file back to my copy of the minimal
install cd(so the cd-img folder) into the preseed folder.
I did change the txt.cfg file in isolinux so that the default option
would boot with the preseed file option of the lubuntu.seed .
Then the little bit more tricky part create a repository. For creating
this repository I know that I need every package that needs to be
installed when installing lubuntu-desktop. Every means every , so also
xorg and those other stuffs. As I had a Minimal Install ISO aswell I
simply created a minimal installed cli only system in virtualbox and
apt-get install(ed) lubuntu-desktop. All the required deb files are
stored in /var/cache/apt/. The only thing to do now is getting those deb
files outside the virtual machine. Then there is a cool package called
apt-move which is pretty handy as it can automatically copy or move
those deb files in a repository like hierarchical folder view. So it
will create automatically the structure of a repository that you need,
by putting in lubuntu-desktop for example  in a
pool/l/lubuntu-meta/lubuntu-desktop_xXX-i386.deb file/folder structure.
By default this repository structure will be put into /mirrors/debian so
you need root right to run apt-move. But I guess the default folder is
changeable I just was to lazy to read the manpage ;)
Then we copy over the pool directory to the cd-img folder. Again me as
being lazy I didn't overwrite all the packages that where already in the
xubuntu pool directory (they can be deleted later I guess or you can
delete the whole pool directory with the exception of the udeb files. So
'find . -name *.udeb' and copy over all udeb files as they are
necessary for the installer). Then we have the pool directory almost
ready. I had to repackage the ubuntu-keyring package as I don't have the
private key to sign the cd and the new repository with official ubuntu
keyring. So I downloaded the keyring and added my own private key to it.
This step is really important because otherwise the installer won't
install if the repo isn't signed. So I repackaged this package and put
it into the pool structure unter u/ubuntu-keyring I think it was.
That should be all for the pool directory. Basically we need the Release
and Packages.gz file for the repository now and sign it.
So I created a release.conf file ( storing the basic info like distro
name , codename and main + universe repos) and a config file you can see
here to get an Idea how it works:
http://pastebin.ca/1965874
This is basically the file that will scan the pool files and create the
Packages.gz for each repo (means main and universe).
As you can see here you need also some override files that you can get
from here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/indices
As the above config file will only create a package listing for debs I
created also a config which scans all the udebs.
Here is the config: http://pastebin.ca/1965876
As you can see I basically only replaced the deb with udeb :)
Now we have all the config files lets build the packages and release
files with:
 apt-ftparchive -c /path/to/release.conf generate 
 ../apt-ftparchive/apt-ftparchive-deb.conf
 apt-ftparchive -c 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-17 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:26:31 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hi Julien,
 
 I know you are always pressed for time, but we could really do with a text
 based install for lubuntu. A couple of people on earlier use PCMIA cards
 from their elderly laptops for ethernet and the mini-iso does not see them
 correctly.

Well, it's not as easy as creating the normal iso. I didn't find any useful 
documentation about this. I'll continue to work on this, but I need to focus on 
Natty developpement now. At least, the minimal install can do the same job.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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[Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-16 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Julien,

I know you are always pressed for time, but we could really do with a text
based install for lubuntu. A couple of people on earlier use PCMIA cards
from their elderly laptops for ethernet and the mini-iso does not see them
correctly.

Hi Gang,

I do know it is possible to make a CD with the lubuntu packages on, but I
lack the technical knowledge to do this. So, if anyone has any ideas of a
work around for people with 128MB RAM and need the system installed before
it can see the PCMIA card I'm all ears. We knew this was coming, my mini-iso
version was just a patch to get as many working as I could. I lack the
expertise to take it further.

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-05-12 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Wed, 12 May 2010 00:03:06 +0100
Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 I know that you do not have time to make a minimal iso, however having
 chatted to some 'nice people' it appears that I (or anyone) should actually
 be able to do it. It's called remastersys and how it works is at
 http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/remastersys I've no need to bore you with how
 it works, simply put - It takes your installed system and creates an iso
 with an md5 checksum.
Thanks for the help. But I think it's too much efforts for us now, as I would 
like to introduce some facilities for minimal installation. Also, I can re-use 
my build system for iso to make a minimal one, it's far easier and safe than 
remasterys the current one. I can't stop you to try this, but if you can wait 
a week (the time for me to go back to home), it will be available. 


 On a slightly different note, but to save me posting another email to you. I
 was asking ibuclaw about why the cd would fail self test, yet pass the other
 md5checksum test. Ibuclaw asked when you would be about, he was running
 through some stuff with me but it was way over my technical knowledge. He
 said that he could have a chat with you. As you know, Iain has already
 provided one patch to lubuntu (pcmanfm) and I count him as one of the 'nice
 people' I chat to on the 'official' ubuntu area.
 
 If you keep an eye on ##ufbt you will be able to see if he is logged on
 (yes, I have been given permission for you to stalk him on there).
I can't really help until I'll be back home, I'll contact him after that.

Best regards,
Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-05-12 Thread Leszek Lesner

Hi Phill,

if you in a desperate need of a minimal install cd I can build one. But 
how should it look like ? A ubuntu minimal CD with all the deb packages 
using debian installer ? Or a minimal LiveCD with only lxde as a desktop 
that allows you to install the system with a cli installer ?
The first one is a little pain of work. The second one not so much, as I 
already have a cli installer written for zevenos-neptune (debian based) 
that will also work flawessly on lubuntu if the dialog package is 
installed. And btw. I have build my own remastersys kind of tool 
called remaster-kit that also works flawlessly (yes I had bad 
experiences with remastersys)  with lubuntu (as long as you know 
something about cli and chroot usage). As it is a kind of dry topic. I 
made a small video showing both tools.
Here is the link: http://blip.tv/file/3612824 (Including a link for the 
source and deb)
All in all I would think making a 'real' minimal InstallCD might be a 
better solution as it supports more installation methods and special 
configurations for LVM and encryption.


Have fun ;)

Am 11.05.2010 23:03, schrieb Phillip Whiteside:

Hi Julien,

I know that you do not have time to make a minimal iso, however having 
chatted to some 'nice people' it appears that I (or anyone) should 
actually be able to do it. It's called remastersys and how it works is 
at http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/remastersys I've no need to bore you 
with how it works, simply put - It takes your installed system and 
creates an iso with an md5 checksum.


Once you have (all) stopped laughing, according to the wiki entry 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remastersys  You can make it CLI 
install. So, I'd follow the minimal install instructions onto a 
partition  then make the iso (in theory). Well, I'm willing to give 
it a try if you think it may be of help.


On a slightly different note, but to save me posting another email to 
you. I was asking ibuclaw about why the cd would fail self test, yet 
pass the other md5checksum test. Ibuclaw asked when you would be 
about, he was running through some stuff with me but it was way over 
my technical knowledge. He said that he could have a chat with you. As 
you know, Iain has already provided one patch to lubuntu (pcmanfm) and 
I count him as one of the 'nice people' I chat to on the 'official' 
ubuntu area.


If you keep an eye on ##ufbt you will be able to see if he is logged 
on (yes, I have been given permission for you to stalk him on there).


Regards,

Phill.


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[Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-05-11 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

I know that you do not have time to make a minimal iso, however having
chatted to some 'nice people' it appears that I (or anyone) should actually
be able to do it. It's called remastersys and how it works is at
http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/remastersys I've no need to bore you with how
it works, simply put - It takes your installed system and creates an iso
with an md5 checksum.

Once you have (all) stopped laughing, according to the wiki entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remastersys  You can make it CLI install. So,
I'd follow the minimal install instructions onto a partition  then make the
iso (in theory). Well, I'm willing to give it a try if you think it may be
of help.

On a slightly different note, but to save me posting another email to you. I
was asking ibuclaw about why the cd would fail self test, yet pass the other
md5checksum test. Ibuclaw asked when you would be about, he was running
through some stuff with me but it was way over my technical knowledge. He
said that he could have a chat with you. As you know, Iain has already
provided one patch to lubuntu (pcmanfm) and I count him as one of the 'nice
people' I chat to on the 'official' ubuntu area.

If you keep an eye on ##ufbt you will be able to see if he is logged on
(yes, I have been given permission for you to stalk him on there).

Regards,

Phill.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-04-28 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network
install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI installer
needs.

http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106

You were right, add-apt-repository is not included in the mini-iso; hence
the install python-software line. If you think it looks okay, I'll pop it
onto wiki. (I will remove [Note 4]).
As the beta3 now includes lubuntu-desktop ppa and you can use Synaptics to
update it i will alter the 'keep lubuntu up to date' to simply use Synaptics
(I'm adding the ppa manually on the minimal install anyway), with a note for
those who installed prior to beta3 to add the ppa.

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-04-28 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 15:47 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
 Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network
 install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI
 installer needs. 
 
 http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106 

Thanks. You should remove the use of sudo -i, running a shell with root
is not a good idea, especially for beginner.

After this, it's ok to add it to the wiki :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-04-28 Thread Jeff Elkner
Awesome!  This will be most useful as I prepare legacy computers for
giving to students.  It fits our use case perfectly - we have plenty
of bandwidth and a bunch of older computers we would like to give
away.  Thanks to Lubuntu, new life will be breathed into them!

Thanks again.

jeff elkner

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 15:47 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
 Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network
 install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI
 installer needs.

 http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106

 Thanks. You should remove the use of sudo -i, running a shell with root
 is not a good idea, especially for beginner.

 After this, it's ok to add it to the wiki :)

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-04-28 Thread Phillip Whiteside
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 15:47 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
  Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network
  install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI
  installer needs.
 
  http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106

 Thanks. You should remove the use of sudo -i, running a shell with root
 is not a good idea, especially for beginner.



 I was told that if you were running several commands as sudo, adopting sudo
 -i was the correct way to do it. But, I will remove the sudo -i and put the
 sudo in front of each command.


Phill.

 After this, it's ok to add it to the wiki :)

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne



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