Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:24:57 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? It is on my TODO list for applications discussions. IMO, we should just drop xchat. I always use pidgin for IRC, and it doesn't a pretty decent work. Regards, Julien Lavergne -- Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
+1 for dropping XChat. The purpose of default applications are to provide a sane and easy-to-use default for common users. Learning how to use two different applications won't be easier than learning one. So using pidging for all protocols is supports do makes sense. Users can learn once and use it for everything. Power users who requires advanced scripting support can always install their powerful favorites manually. In the case of media player, gnome mplayer apparently has a bad music player UI. That's why we need a separate music player. Otherwise mplayer works just fine. For me, my favorite editor is geany, not leafpad. However I won't ship a programmer's editor as a default text editor for common users. Having xchat specifically for irc instead of pidgin won't make that much differences for common users, IMHO. So only including pidgin might be better in this case. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:24:57 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? It is on my TODO list for applications discussions. IMO, we should just drop xchat. I always use pidgin for IRC, and it doesn't a pretty decent work. Regards, Julien Lavergne -- Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
I would be +1 on dropping xchat if it's IRC protocol would get a decent upgrade, it's far to unstable in it's connection. Otherwise I would still use it probably. Xchat's protocol for IRC is more solid (advantage of single protocol apps). I won't make a suggestion for default media player, as I like it to arrange it for me, so I install Rhythmbox myself. For default text editor I'd like to nominate gedit, as it is also lightweight in my opinion, but has addition features compared to leafpad (including, but not limited too syntax highlighting). I don't know how much Empathy has progressed in the last few months and will in de coming, but that might also be an good default for IM. Just a suggestion, but last time I've used it I wasn't to keen on it. I didn't do a comparison between Pidgin and Empathy in terms of stability and resources. With metta, Chris Druif On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:13, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for dropping XChat. The purpose of default applications are to provide a sane and easy-to-use default for common users. Learning how to use two different applications won't be easier than learning one. So using pidging for all protocols is supports do makes sense. Users can learn once and use it for everything. Power users who requires advanced scripting support can always install their powerful favorites manually. In the case of media player, gnome mplayer apparently has a bad music player UI. That's why we need a separate music player. Otherwise mplayer works just fine. For me, my favorite editor is geany, not leafpad. However I won't ship a programmer's editor as a default text editor for common users. Having xchat specifically for irc instead of pidgin won't make that much differences for common users, IMHO. So only including pidgin might be better in this case. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:24:57 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? It is on my TODO list for applications discussions. IMO, we should just drop xchat. I always use pidgin for IRC, and it doesn't a pretty decent work. Regards, Julien Lavergne -- Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
Hiyas, todays lesson is to how to start a flame war Whilst tidying up the 'new area' for docs I noticed a missing link. That was the easy bit... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? I ceased using xchat and reverted back to pidgin in 9.10 when x-chat had that memory leak. It has been fixed, but pidgin does give a decent level of IRC (I use it) along with the ability to do all the other IM protocols. It also has 'plugin' package. Whilst not the 'best' IRC client, it does a decent job of it and also provides access to all the IM stuff that people seem to love these days Do we really want to waste RAM with two programmes? /me retires to a safe distance. @ Julien, I've pointed the list of applications from the community doc area back to the dev area, as that page seems best placed there. Regards, Phill. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
Aloha ka po'e apau, I've switched from using Pidgin to xchat, as the extra features are quite nice and it seems more stable then Pidgin's implementation. With metta, Chris Druif On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 01:24, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hiyas, todays lesson is to how to start a flame war Whilst tidying up the 'new area' for docs I noticed a missing link. That was the easy bit... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? I ceased using xchat and reverted back to pidgin in 9.10 when x-chat had that memory leak. It has been fixed, but pidgin does give a decent level of IRC (I use it) along with the ability to do all the other IM protocols. It also has 'plugin' package. Whilst not the 'best' IRC client, it does a decent job of it and also provides access to all the IM stuff that people seem to love these days Do we really want to waste RAM with two programmes? /me retires to a safe distance. @ Julien, I've pointed the list of applications from the community doc area back to the dev area, as that page seems best placed there. Regards, Phill. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
Phill, On 05/28/2011 04:24 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? Mainly for those of us who use IRC, and only IRC, and have used xchat for years :) It's a matter of personal preference, of course. If there is good reason to remove xchat, I'll live (after all, I can make custom ISOs based on Lubuntu fairly easily if I feel like it :) Do we really want to waste RAM with two programmes? RAM? Wait! xchat does not load by default at boot. How does it waste RAM? It is only using RAM when you choose to run it. If wasting RAM is the issue, then removing xchat from the default install will not solve it. What led you to conclude that including xchat is wasting RAM? If we need more space on the CD for new whizzy stuff, OK, then we probably need to go through the package list looking for things we can remove. What new whizzy stuff is being added in Lubuntu 11.10 that requires extra disk/CD space? I thought we had more or less reached consensus among the devs that Lubuntu 11.10 was primarily a bug fix and migrate to official build infrastructure and GTK3 release -- has that changed? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
hiyas JM, wasting RAm actually referred to having x-chat and pidgin both running together... x-chat does IRC fanatastically, but is not too good at MSN messenger, AOL / AIM, Yahoo! etc :) regards, Phill. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: Phill, On 05/28/2011 04:24 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: If we are going to keep pidgin for IM, what do we need xchat for? Mainly for those of us who use IRC, and only IRC, and have used xchat for years :) It's a matter of personal preference, of course. If there is good reason to remove xchat, I'll live (after all, I can make custom ISOs based on Lubuntu fairly easily if I feel like it :) Do we really want to waste RAM with two programmes? RAM? Wait! xchat does not load by default at boot. How does it waste RAM? It is only using RAM when you choose to run it. If wasting RAM is the issue, then removing xchat from the default install will not solve it. What led you to conclude that including xchat is wasting RAM? If we need more space on the CD for new whizzy stuff, OK, then we probably need to go through the package list looking for things we can remove. What new whizzy stuff is being added in Lubuntu 11.10 that requires extra disk/CD space? I thought we had more or less reached consensus among the devs that Lubuntu 11.10 was primarily a bug fix and migrate to official build infrastructure and GTK3 release -- has that changed? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
On 05/28/2011 05:34 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: wasting RAm actually referred to having x-chat and pidgin both running together... x-chat does IRC fanatastically, but is not too good at MSN messenger, AOL / AIM, Yahoo! etc :) OK. So the fix for that is simple: don't do that, unless you have enough RAM to spare :) No change to Lubuntu needed :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
IMHO having two programs that one fit in the other is a waste of space in the CD and effort for the Lubuntu devs. Pidgin can handle what xchat does... and for the specifics, xchat will always be installable. Honestly, i personally (in person) don't know anybody that uses x-chat. Just some thoughts. 2011/5/28 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm On 05/28/2011 05:34 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: wasting RAm actually referred to having x-chat and pidgin both running together... x-chat does IRC fanatastically, but is not too good at MSN messenger, AOL / AIM, Yahoo! etc :) OK. So the fix for that is simple: don't do that, unless you have enough RAM to spare :) No change to Lubuntu needed :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client
On 05/28/2011 06:47 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: IMHO having two programs that one fit in the other is a waste of space in the CD and effort for the Lubuntu devs. It's definitely extra effort for one of the Lubuntu devs if I have to learn to use Pidgin, after years of using xchat :) Since xchat is not maintained by the Lubuntu devs, but by its own developers, I am not sure why leaving it in the Lubuntu seed list is *more* effort for the Lubuntu devs than taking it out -- can you please explain? Pidgin can handle what xchat does... Really? Plugins for scripting in Tcl, Perl, Python all exist for Pidgin now, do they? Is the plugin API compatible with the xchat plugin API? Or do we need to rewrite or find replacements for any and all plugins we have written or gathered over the years? I'll deal with it if someone feels there is a good reason for removing xchat. But IMO the expected developer cost to leave it alone is low :) That leaves disk space. In this thread, I already asked what we are expecting to add to Lubuntu 11.10 Oneiric that *needs* the disk space xchat currently occupies... has anyone answered that? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
