Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-11.04.iso (wubi support?)
On 05/02/2011 07:40 AM, Leo Allen wrote: > I've been testing disturbutions for a few years now. However, I only > recently heard about Lubuntu - I was speaking to a fellow techie and he > mentioned it, so of course I was interested! > Thanks for all your help and info! Sorry if I wasted any of your time > with such a "noob" over sight! No problem. You have identified a gap in our testing, which is important for our next release -- so thanks for doing that for us :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-11.04.iso (wubi support?)
Thank you, Jonathan! To sum it al up - I purposely test on an older Dell D600 laptop (don't have the exact specs in front of me at the moment as I'm out in the field - off the top of my head there's 1 GB RAM and a 40 GB hard drive). I do this as I often run across clients with older systems who either can't afford to, or don't wish to buy new systems, but still want to be able to stay connected. So, I offer to install Linux (in most cases, Ubuntu.) I admit - had a momentary lapse in resoning! Don't know why I didn't simply tell the machine to boot from CD! I too have always felt WUBI is somewhat odd, however I have found it useful when asked to test installation CD's with multiple Linux distributions on them (sounds a bit fishy - I know! But I have run across some techies who are trying to create "all-in-one" distrubution disks!) I've been testing disturbutions for a few years now. However, I only recently heard about Lubuntu - I was speaking to a fellow techie and he mentioned it, so of course I was interested! Thanks for all your help and info! Sorry if I wasted any of your time with such a "noob" over sight! On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > Leo, > > On 05/01/2011 06:15 AM, Leo Allen wrote: > > > I did not do any beta versions, so I am not sure wether wubi worked > > with them or not. > > OK. It looks as though wubi wasn't tested, and so probably doesn't > work. We need to add wubi to the list of things to test for Lubuntu > 11.10, so we don't make the same mistake then that we seem to have made > this time! But that doesn't help you right now. > > > You mention to try as a normal graphical installer - is there a > > particular file I need to point to to begin the installation? > > No. Instead, you would just boot the computer from the Lubuntu CD. Put > the Lubuntu CD in the drive, then reboot the computer. That will > (usually) automatically run the install menu from the CD. Windows (or > any other operating system on your hard disk) never even has a chance to > even start to run, if you do this :) > > If doing that still runs Windows, you might have to press F10 or F12 as > the computer starts up so it will offer a little "boot menu" from which > you can choose to boot from CD. (You can change CMOS settings instead, > but that's a bit more complex to describe). > > > This is being installed on a Windows XP Pro system (as I've found > > with other Linux versions, XP is the most "friendly"). > > OK... Do you want to keep your XP Pro installation and files intact, or > are you planning to wipe it out and replace it with Lubuntu? Or, do you > want to repartition the hard drive so that (for example) half the disk > space is for XP Pro, and half is for Linux? > > Do you have a good up to date backup of the Windows installation and all > your files, somewhere not on that same PC? If not, creating such a > backup is a good idea, as a precaution (against hardware issues or other > accidents, as well as against making mistakes when trying to share the > disk between Windows and Lubuntu). So if you are going to share the PC > between Windows and Lubuntu, it would be wise to take the time to make a > good full backup of the machine as it is now, before you do anything > else. Just in case :) > > Wubi is (in my biased opinion!) a somewhat odd hybrid installation > approach, that installs Linux (Lubuntu, if it worked) into some big > files inside Windows... but that is not the usual way to install any > Linux distribution. > > > I'm anxious to give Lubuntu a try ... > > Good :) > > If you are a newcomer, the safest way is to attempt that first "try" on > an older machine dedicated to that purpose. One you have no files or > programs on that you care about. That way, you *know* you can't > accidentally remove your main working copy of Windows and all the files > in it that you wanted to keep :) > > If you do not have a spare old machine for that sort of "windows-free" > testing, there are several other alternatives. Which one is "best" > depends on your experience level, and the capabilities of the machine > you are trying to "share" between Lubuntu and Windows. On modern PCs > with a few GB of RAM and a multicore CPU, running VirtualBox inside > Windows, and installing Lubuntu as a "virtual machine" under VirtualBox > can work very well, but on older PCs it is impractical. > > > - I tried the much-hyped Kubuntu > > and felt that it is to Linux what Vista is to Windows! > > That sounds as though you have an old-ish PC, or one with limited RAM. > Lubuntu is designed specifically to be useful on such older PCs; > however, it is not necessarily designed to be ultra-easy for beginners > to use on older PCs while also keeping Windows on those same PCs. > > To be able to offer a specific "try Lubuntu *this* way" suggestion for > you, other than "try it out on a dedicated test PC", it would help to > know what sort of PC you are wanting to run Lubuntu on: > > * make and model
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-11.04.iso (wubi support?)
Leo, On 05/01/2011 06:15 AM, Leo Allen wrote: > I did not do any beta versions, so I am not sure wether wubi worked > with them or not. OK. It looks as though wubi wasn't tested, and so probably doesn't work. We need to add wubi to the list of things to test for Lubuntu 11.10, so we don't make the same mistake then that we seem to have made this time! But that doesn't help you right now. > You mention to try as a normal graphical installer - is there a > particular file I need to point to to begin the installation? No. Instead, you would just boot the computer from the Lubuntu CD. Put the Lubuntu CD in the drive, then reboot the computer. That will (usually) automatically run the install menu from the CD. Windows (or any other operating system on your hard disk) never even has a chance to even start to run, if you do this :) If doing that still runs Windows, you might have to press F10 or F12 as the computer starts up so it will offer a little "boot menu" from which you can choose to boot from CD. (You can change CMOS settings instead, but that's a bit more complex to describe). > This is being installed on a Windows XP Pro system (as I've found > with other Linux versions, XP is the most "friendly"). OK... Do you want to keep your XP Pro installation and files intact, or are you planning to wipe it out and replace it with Lubuntu? Or, do you want to repartition the hard drive so that (for example) half the disk space is for XP Pro, and half is for Linux? Do you have a good up to date backup of the Windows installation and all your files, somewhere not on that same PC? If not, creating such a backup is a good idea, as a precaution (against hardware issues or other accidents, as well as against making mistakes when trying to share the disk between Windows and Lubuntu). So if you are going to share the PC between Windows and Lubuntu, it would be wise to take the time to make a good full backup of the machine as it is now, before you do anything else. Just in case :) Wubi is (in my biased opinion!) a somewhat odd hybrid installation approach, that installs Linux (Lubuntu, if it worked) into some big files inside Windows... but that is not the usual way to install any Linux distribution. > I'm anxious to give Lubuntu a try ... Good :) If you are a newcomer, the safest way is to attempt that first "try" on an older machine dedicated to that purpose. One you have no files or programs on that you care about. That way, you *know* you can't accidentally remove your main working copy of Windows and all the files in it that you wanted to keep :) If you do not have a spare old machine for that sort of "windows-free" testing, there are several other alternatives. Which one is "best" depends on your experience level, and the capabilities of the machine you are trying to "share" between Lubuntu and Windows. On modern PCs with a few GB of RAM and a multicore CPU, running VirtualBox inside Windows, and installing Lubuntu as a "virtual machine" under VirtualBox can work very well, but on older PCs it is impractical. > - I tried the much-hyped Kubuntu > and felt that it is to Linux what Vista is to Windows! That sounds as though you have an old-ish PC, or one with limited RAM. Lubuntu is designed specifically to be useful on such older PCs; however, it is not necessarily designed to be ultra-easy for beginners to use on older PCs while also keeping Windows on those same PCs. To be able to offer a specific "try Lubuntu *this* way" suggestion for you, other than "try it out on a dedicated test PC", it would help to know what sort of PC you are wanting to run Lubuntu on: * make and model if it is a well known brand * CPU type and speed * how much RAM the machine has * how big a hard disk it has * whether you are comfortable repartitioning it to free up some space dedicated to use by Lubuntu. Hoping this helps and doesn't seem *too* complicated! Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-11.04.iso (wubi support?)
Thank you Jonathan. I did not do any beta versions, so I am not sure wether wubi worked with them or not. You mention to try as a normal graphical installer - is there a particular file I need to point to to begin the installation? This is being installed on a Windows XP Pro system (as I've found with other Linux versions, XP is the most "friendly"). I'm anxious to give Lubuntu a try - I tried the much-hyped Kubuntu and felt that it is to Linux what Vista is to Windows! I've embedded a Lubuntu banner on my website and an ready to help spread the word, but I need to test it first. Any installation help you provide, I will pass on to others in case they run into similar situation. On May 1, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > On 04/30/2011 01:35 AM, Leo Allen wrote: > >> I have made several attempts to install, and am currently seeding. >> However, I have been unseccessful with install - .iso only lists >> wubi for Ubuntu 11.04, Ubuntu Netbook, Kumbutu, Xumbutu, etc > > Thanks for reporting this issue. > > However, I did not know that Lubuntu supports wubi installation. Did > you test any of the Lubuntu 11.04 alpha or beta releases using wubi? > Did they work fine that way? Do we currently document that Lubuntu > supports wubi installation anywhere? Did earlier (10.04 or 10.10) > Lubuntu releases support this? > > I think you will find that the lubuntu-11.04.iso image works as a normal > LiveCD or Ubiquity-based grapghical installer. I do not think it was > intended to work as a WUBI installer. If it was, then I don't remember > that capability being tested during alpha and beta releases. > >> In other words, this .iso only appears to be the typical Ubuntu .iso. > > The file lubuntu-11.04.iso is definitely an Lubuntu ISO. Try using a > more commonly used installation method, not wubi, and you are likely to > make more progress with it, I think. > > If Lubuntu 11.04 really *should* support wubi, then most likely its > current failure to do that is a bug. In that case, we will probably > need to correct this issue somewhere in our ISO build script in future. > It is even possible this issue will "fix itself" once we transition to > using the official Ubuntu ISO build infrastructure. > > Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-11.04.iso (wubi support?)
Le Saturday 30 April 2011 à 23:26 -0700, Jonathan Marsden a écrit : > I do not think it was > intended to work as a WUBI installer. If it was, then I don't > remember > that capability being tested during alpha and beta releases. The wubi installer was added, but not really tested. I'll not be surprised if it doesn't work as expected. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-11.04.iso (wubi support?)
On 04/30/2011 01:35 AM, Leo Allen wrote: > I have made several attempts to install, and am currently seeding. > However, I have been unseccessful with install - .iso only lists > wubi for Ubuntu 11.04, Ubuntu Netbook, Kumbutu, Xumbutu, etc Thanks for reporting this issue. However, I did not know that Lubuntu supports wubi installation. Did you test any of the Lubuntu 11.04 alpha or beta releases using wubi? Did they work fine that way? Do we currently document that Lubuntu supports wubi installation anywhere? Did earlier (10.04 or 10.10) Lubuntu releases support this? I think you will find that the lubuntu-11.04.iso image works as a normal LiveCD or Ubiquity-based grapghical installer. I do not think it was intended to work as a WUBI installer. If it was, then I don't remember that capability being tested during alpha and beta releases. > In other words, this .iso only appears to be the typical Ubuntu .iso. The file lubuntu-11.04.iso is definitely an Lubuntu ISO. Try using a more commonly used installation method, not wubi, and you are likely to make more progress with it, I think. If Lubuntu 11.04 really *should* support wubi, then most likely its current failure to do that is a bug. In that case, we will probably need to correct this issue somewhere in our ISO build script in future. It is even possible this issue will "fix itself" once we transition to using the official Ubuntu ISO build infrastructure. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-11.04.iso
I have made several attempts to install, and am currently seeding. However, I have been unseccessful with install - .iso only lists wubi for Ubuntu 11.04, Ubuntu Netbook, Kumbutu, Xumbutu, etc In other words, this .iso only appears to be the typical Ubuntu .iso. Please let me know if I'm missing something here - I've tried each available download option, yet end up with the same .iso. Although everything in it is named Lubuntu, it only attempts to install Ubuntu. -- Leo Allen ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
