Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[PCMan]

Though posted on freedesktop.org, XSettings is actually a Gnome/GTK+
standard without concensus.
Qt, KDE, and all the others to my best knowledge don't support this.
This is yet another example of Gnome pushes others to use its standard
and call their technology "cross-desktop" solution.
LXDE, which is based on gtk+, of course uses XSettings, but this only
works for gtk+ apps.
At least I solved the XCursor problem in a more desktop independent
way so I hope that we can solve the font one in the similar manner.
Actually, when I'm planning LXAppearance, I wanted to write some
config values to qtconfig to make it more cross-desktop but later I
found this very difficult. Any better idea?

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> Le samedi 12 mars 2011 à 16:35 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
>> I did a quick review and found a problem in lxappearance.
>> The Xft antialias stuff is not as easy as it looks like.
>> See this page: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ScreenFontSettings
>> There is no common standard for this and things are totally in a mess.
>> The most cross-toolkit and cross-desktop way seems to be using Xrm.
>> Since gtk+ uses cairo, it might support Xrm, too.
>> But using gtkrc and XSettings can get the config dynamically applied
>> in gtk+ applications.
>> I'm not sure if Xrm works for Qt4. IIRC Qt4 doesn't use Xft.
>> Anyway, if possible I don't want to do it in a gtk+ specific way.
>> Any thoughts or comments?
>
> Is XSettings not supposed to be a standard way to interact with this
> settings ? I think it will be easier (at least, for the short term) to
> stay with XSettings, as many parts of lxappearance use this.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[Julien Lavergne]

Le samedi 12 mars 2011 à 16:35 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
> I did a quick review and found a problem in lxappearance.
> The Xft antialias stuff is not as easy as it looks like.
> See this page: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ScreenFontSettings
> There is no common standard for this and things are totally in a mess.
> The most cross-toolkit and cross-desktop way seems to be using Xrm.
> Since gtk+ uses cairo, it might support Xrm, too.
> But using gtkrc and XSettings can get the config dynamically applied
> in gtk+ applications.
> I'm not sure if Xrm works for Qt4. IIRC Qt4 doesn't use Xft.
> Anyway, if possible I don't want to do it in a gtk+ specific way.
> Any thoughts or comments? 

Is XSettings not supposed to be a standard way to interact with this
settings ? I think it will be easier (at least, for the short term) to
stay with XSettings, as many parts of lxappearance use this.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[PCMan]

I did a quick review and found a problem in lxappearance.
The Xft antialias stuff is not as easy as it looks like.
See this page: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ScreenFontSettings
There is no common standard for this and things are totally in a mess.
The most cross-toolkit and cross-desktop way seems to be using Xrm.
Since gtk+ uses cairo, it might support Xrm, too.
But using gtkrc and XSettings can get the config dynamically applied
in gtk+ applications.
I'm not sure if Xrm works for Qt4. IIRC Qt4 doesn't use Xft.
Anyway, if possible I don't want to do it in a gtk+ specific way.
Any thoughts or comments?

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 19:11 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
>> From the list, I'm sure that you have done a great job to patch the
>> components and added exciting features here and there.
>> However, the upstream authors do not have time to merge these changes
>> at the moment due to lack of man power.
>> Some nice changes should definitely go upstream.
>> Can anyone help?
>
> I plan to merge the changes into lxde git branches. I already added some
> gilir-fixes branches for several lxde components with some of the
> modifications. If you are agree, I can commit then directly to git
> master branch, so it will be easier to review it by others. I'll be very
> happy if I can drop all the patches and ship instead git snapshot of
> lxde git :)
>
> Let me know if you are agree, I can merge the changes during next week.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[matthew byers]

Sorry for the delay but i have uploaded the alpha iso (and md5sum) to here:
http://people.ubuntu.com/~stlsaint/
and it has been updated on the wiki (it is the second "direct download" link
posted on the wiki below philws link! Enjoy folks! :D

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 17:11 +0300, matthew byers a écrit :
> > Does that space issue only pertain to your account? Im asking because
> > i have nothing in my allocated space for my ubuntu.com space so i
> > would be more than happy to host iso from there if possible!
>
> Only my account, because I host also the 10.10 ISO. So when I add
> another ISO, I reach my 1 Gb limitation :)
> I'll be glad if you can host the ISO :) Please add also the md5sum txt
> file for ISO checking, and a link to the ISO on the wiki.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[Julien Lavergne]

Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 17:11 +0300, matthew byers a écrit :
> Does that space issue only pertain to your account? Im asking because
> i have nothing in my allocated space for my ubuntu.com space so i
> would be more than happy to host iso from there if possible!

Only my account, because I host also the 10.10 ISO. So when I add
another ISO, I reach my 1 Gb limitation :)
I'll be glad if you can host the ISO :) Please add also the md5sum txt
file for ISO checking, and a link to the ISO on the wiki.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[matthew byers]

Does that space issue only pertain to your account? Im asking because i have
nothing in my allocated space for my ubuntu.com space so i would be more
than happy to host iso from there if possible!

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 18:39 +0100, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
> > == Download ==
> > Torrent:
> > http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso.torrent
> > Download: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso
> > Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
> >
>
> Due to usual space problem, the ISO was removed from the
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ server. Please use instead the torrent
> or phillw server : http://phillw.net/lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso .
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[Julien Lavergne]

Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 19:11 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
> From the list, I'm sure that you have done a great job to patch the
> components and added exciting features here and there.
> However, the upstream authors do not have time to merge these changes
> at the moment due to lack of man power.
> Some nice changes should definitely go upstream.
> Can anyone help? 

I plan to merge the changes into lxde git branches. I already added some
gilir-fixes branches for several lxde components with some of the
modifications. If you are agree, I can commit then directly to git
master branch, so it will be easier to review it by others. I'll be very
happy if I can drop all the patches and ship instead git snapshot of
lxde git :)

Let me know if you are agree, I can merge the changes during next week.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[PCMan]

>From the list, I'm sure that you have done a great job to patch the
components and added exciting features here and there.
However, the upstream authors do not have time to merge these changes
at the moment due to lack of man power.
Some nice changes should definitely go upstream.
Can anyone help?
It's almost 20:00 PM now here, and I'm still at work in the hospital. :-(
I didn't have my dinner yet and I'm exhausted now.
Help is definitely needed.

Thanks

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 iso is now available for testing. Please thank
> Jonathan Marsden who provide this ISO :)
>
> Please note that Lubuntu Natty is based on Ubuntu Natty, same
> warning apply :
>
> "Pre-releases of Natty are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a
> stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional,
> even frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu
> developers and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing
> bugs."
>
> == What's new ? ==
> - New automatic way to build the ISO, expect more build in the futur.
> (thanks Jonathan Marsden)
>
> - Modifications to the applications by default :
>  * Switch from aqualung to audacious for the music player.
>  * Switch from xarchiver to file-roller for the archives.
>  * Switch from cheese to gucview for using webcams.
>
> - New added applications by default :
>  * Java support (via icedtea-plugin)
>  * Gucharmap
>  * Lxkeymap
>  * Various documentations
>
> - Lubuntu is now HAL free (thanks Xubuntu dev)
>
> - Lxrandr (Monitor settings) is able to save the configuration. Check
> the .desktop in ~.config/autostart/lxrandr-autostart.desktop
>
> - Lxappareance is able to configure the font (antialiasing) and openbox
> directly.
>
> - You are now able to call directly obconf to configure the number of
> workspaces, on workspace applet.
>
> - Installer (ubiquity) support installation of Lubuntu and autologin
> configuration at install time includes in Ubuntu official repository.
>
> - Icons on the desktop are now moveable.
>
> - Fake transparency is available again.
>
> - Lubuntu use now Ubuntu font by default.
>
> - New text plymouth theme
>
> - Menu are now correctly translated
>
> - Menu have now an Administration and a Preference sub-menus.
> You can now change the layout on a Lubuntu session with lxkeymap
> (directly, or launched by lxinput).
>
> - Fix a critical crash on qemu / kvm (thanks Fedora)
>
> - Translations up-to-date with LXDE git.
>
> - Up-to-date LXDE and pcmanfm.
>
>
> == Specific Lubuntu changes ==
> - Nothing !
>
>
> == Testing ==
> You can find instructions for testing on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
>
>
> == Known bugs ==
> * In Install-only mode, the panel appear in the middle of the screen :
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/684802
> * Start menu of the Live-CD is not correctly translated.
> * Installer doesn't install correct restricted packages.
>
>
> == Reporting bugs ==
> You can find informations on how to report a bug on this wiki page :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs
>
>
> == Download ==
> Torrent:
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso.torrent
> Download: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso
> Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
>
> Happy testing :)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[Julien Lavergne]

Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 18:39 +0100, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
> == Download ==
> Torrent:
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso.torrent
> Download: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso
> Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
> 

Due to usual space problem, the ISO was removed from the
http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ server. Please use instead the torrent
or phillw server : http://phillw.net/lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso .

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[Phill Whiteside]

Rafael,

No problems what so ever, it is what that area is for!

Regards,

Phill.

2011/3/4 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

> The Lubuntu Blog  is getting updated
> about this too. I don't if anybody downloads from here, but offer this
> service. It will be added tonight. And I'll mention your link too, Phill, if
> you don't mind.
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[(Rafael Laguna)]

The Lubuntu Blog is getting updated about this too. I don't if anybody
downloads from here, but offer this service. It will be added tonight.
And I'll mention your link too, Phill, if you don't mind.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 released

[Phill Whiteside]

Julien,

as you can only hold the iso for 7 days, Jonathan has already put it onto my
server area. Remind me when your time expires and I will update the wiki
page for the direct links.

Jonathan,

awesome work, thanks.

Regards,

Phill.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The Lubuntu Natty Alpha 3 iso is now available for testing. Please thank
> Jonathan Marsden who provide this ISO :)
>
> Please note that Lubuntu Natty is based on Ubuntu Natty, same
> warning apply :
>
> "Pre-releases of Natty are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a
> stable system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional,
> even frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu
> developers and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing
> bugs."
>
> == What's new ? ==
> - New automatic way to build the ISO, expect more build in the futur.
> (thanks Jonathan Marsden)
>
> - Modifications to the applications by default :
>  * Switch from aqualung to audacious for the music player.
>  * Switch from xarchiver to file-roller for the archives.
>  * Switch from cheese to gucview for using webcams.
>
> - New added applications by default :
>  * Java support (via icedtea-plugin)
>  * Gucharmap
>  * Lxkeymap
>  * Various documentations
>
> - Lubuntu is now HAL free (thanks Xubuntu dev)
>
> - Lxrandr (Monitor settings) is able to save the configuration. Check
> the .desktop in ~.config/autostart/lxrandr-autostart.desktop
>
> - Lxappareance is able to configure the font (antialiasing) and openbox
> directly.
>
> - You are now able to call directly obconf to configure the number of
> workspaces, on workspace applet.
>
> - Installer (ubiquity) support installation of Lubuntu and autologin
> configuration at install time includes in Ubuntu official repository.
>
> - Icons on the desktop are now moveable.
>
> - Fake transparency is available again.
>
> - Lubuntu use now Ubuntu font by default.
>
> - New text plymouth theme
>
> - Menu are now correctly translated
>
> - Menu have now an Administration and a Preference sub-menus.
> You can now change the layout on a Lubuntu session with lxkeymap
> (directly, or launched by lxinput).
>
> - Fix a critical crash on qemu / kvm (thanks Fedora)
>
> - Translations up-to-date with LXDE git.
>
> - Up-to-date LXDE and pcmanfm.
>
>
> == Specific Lubuntu changes ==
> - Nothing !
>
>
> == Testing ==
> You can find instructions for testing on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
>
>
> == Known bugs ==
> * In Install-only mode, the panel appear in the middle of the screen :
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/684802
> * Start menu of the Live-CD is not correctly translated.
> * Installer doesn't install correct restricted packages.
>
>
> == Reporting bugs ==
> You can find informations on how to report a bug on this wiki page :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs
>
>
> == Download ==
> Torrent:
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso.torrent
> Download: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso
> Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
>
> Happy testing :)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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