Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates (wiki standards)
Jared, Earlier I asked: What is the correct way to have both a #title line and tags on the same page? A page on which this is currently attempted (but not really working) is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide On 05/01/2011 02:17 PM, Jared Norris wrote: I spent an hour trying to solve this and the best I can come up with is that that page is referencing a help.u.c link (Tag/ContentCleanup) from within a wiki.u.c site ... Ah, OK, that is an issue for the person who added the tags (undifined) not me messing up when adding the #title line, then :) I suppose this leads to a higher level question: is there a common (standardized?) set of tags that work on both wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com, and where is that tag set documented? Can we *really* add docbook markup tags to wiki pages and expect them to do the right thing? The documentation team is not just about wiki pages. That's understood, but the StyleGuide tells us itself that it applies to the help.ubuntu.com wiki, saying on that first page linked to above, under the heading Style Guide Applicability and Precedence, that: The Documentation Team also takes care of the documentation wiki, to which the style guide also applies. So if it fully applies... that would mean one can use docbook markup in the wiki! I suspect that sentence needs editing to exclude docbook-specific things in the StyleGuide? BTW, I used to be fully DocBook-capable, with Emacs + sgml-mode + jade and all that stuff... but that was about 8 years ago, I've forgotten a lot of it now :) So this information is put up on the wiki but actually refers to their work in the DocBook documentation. The StyleGuide itself says otherwise, and so should be edited if you are correct that it no longer applies to help.ubuntu.com wiki materials. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates (wiki standards)
On 04/29/2011 11:31 PM, matthew byers wrote: These two are great start pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki this second page is more focused on guidelines and syntax: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide Thanks, read and bookmarked. QUESTION #1: One issue I did not find clear info on is the combining of a #title line to provide a readable title when you also need tags. Per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag : Tags should be added at the very top of a page, before any other text. However, this causes #title to fail (it gets treated as normal text and displayed!). But putting #title before the tag includes cause the includes not to display, as far as I can tell! What is the correct way to have both a #title line and tags on the same page? A page on which this is currently attempted (but not really working) is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide QUESTION #2: That style guide also claims to apply to the help wiki, but it has a major section about docbook tags in it, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide/DocbookConventions . Can we *really* add docbook markup tags to wiki pages and expect them to do the right thing? That would be very cool, and sometimes useful -- but I don't think it would work! Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates (wiki standards)
Jonathon, I'll reply as best as I can inline to try and make it easier to follow. If others have more up to date or correct information please jump in On 1 May 2011 16:38, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: QUESTION #1: One issue I did not find clear info on is the combining of a #title line to provide a readable title when you also need tags. Per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag : Tags should be added at the very top of a page, before any other text. However, this causes #title to fail (it gets treated as normal text and displayed!). But putting #title before the tag includes cause the includes not to display, as far as I can tell! What is the correct way to have both a #title line and tags on the same page? A page on which this is currently attempted (but not really working) is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide I spent an hour trying to solve this and the best I can come up with is that that page is referencing a help.u.c link (Tag/ContentCleanup) from within a wiki.u.c site so it probably needs to correct, full link as the help and wiki u.c sites are sort of linked but still separate I believe. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong. QUESTION #2: That style guide also claims to apply to the help wiki, but it has a major section about docbook tags in it, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide/DocbookConventions . Can we *really* add docbook markup tags to wiki pages and expect them to do the right thing? That would be very cool, and sometimes useful -- but I don't think it would work! The documentation team is not just about wiki pages. They are moving more and more into DocBook work and further away from wikis as far as I can tell from the Documentation mailing list. So this information is put up on the wiki but actually refers to their work in the DocBook documentation. So in short, I wouldn't use DocBook markup on the wiki. I hope that helps you out a bit, please let me know if you were chasing more information on either of the questions. Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates (wiki standards)
These two are great start pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki this second page is more focused on guidelines and syntax: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: On 04/29/2011 06:10 AM, matthew byers wrote: I give a big +1 to ensuring wiki syntax standards are kept the same across the board. Where can one find the Ubuntu Wiki standards policy? This would be more useful to me than asking questions each time I edit; I can learn to follow the official standard. Just as there is the ubuntu-policy package clearly defining Debian Policy and related matters, presumably there is something for Ubuntu wiki standards...? +1 for following appropriate standards... tell me where I can read the appropriate standard please :) Thanks, Jonathan -- God Bless ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates
On 04/25/2011 10:59 PM, Jared Norris wrote: On 26 April 2011 15:27, Phill Whiteside phi...@vpolink.com wrote: We have to manually subscribe to each page, which is a pain. I have set up to subscribe to /Lubuntu/.* on both wiki.u.c and help.u.c which does subscribe you to every change for all sub pages as well. I thought there *had* to be a better way than manually subscribing to each page, and was about to try to prove it on a local MediaWiki installation -- thanks for saving me the effort :) That should take care of the wiki team tracking changes others make. Personally, if I find something I think needs changing in a wiki, I'm fairly likely to 'just do it' rather than seek out someone else to make the edit for me, unless I am unsure about what the right content should be. Wiki's are all about empowering everyone to make changes as needed to improve things :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates
On 29 April 2011 16:14, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 04/25/2011 10:59 PM, Jared Norris wrote: On 26 April 2011 15:27, Phill Whiteside phi...@vpolink.com wrote: We have to manually subscribe to each page, which is a pain. I have set up to subscribe to /Lubuntu/.* on both wiki.u.c and help.u.c which does subscribe you to every change for all sub pages as well. I thought there *had* to be a better way than manually subscribing to each page, and was about to try to prove it on a local MediaWiki installation -- thanks for saving me the effort :) Took me a while to find it but I've subscribed to 3 whole teams pages and subpageson the wiki so I get lots of mail now. That should take care of the wiki team tracking changes others make. Personally, if I find something I think needs changing in a wiki, I'm fairly likely to 'just do it' rather than seek out someone else to make the edit for me, unless I am unsure about what the right content should be. Wiki's are all about empowering everyone to make changes as needed to improve things :) Just doing it is a great way to get everything down, sometimes the formatting can be a pain in the backside to keep it up to standard though (from Ubuntu's perspective). So I'd always encourage anyone and everyone to add information to the wiki pages as they find them either wrong or not complete. If you aren't sure and are doing more than a little edit by all means just drop by the IRC channel or mailing list and ask someone to peruse it for you. We're more than happy to help with all the trimmings, just having someone willing to do the content more than makes our job easy (I do try to keep an eye to the edits as they come through on the subscribed pages as well though but it doesn't hurt to double check and if there are a lot it takes a while to go through them all). Jonathan Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates
I give a big +1 to ensuring wiki syntax standards are kept the same across the board. As a member of the wiki team (BT) i can let everyone know that there is a bt wiki channel available for questions along with #lubuntu channel. wiki channel: #ubuntu-beginners-wiki On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 April 2011 16:14, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 04/25/2011 10:59 PM, Jared Norris wrote: On 26 April 2011 15:27, Phill Whiteside phi...@vpolink.com wrote: We have to manually subscribe to each page, which is a pain. I have set up to subscribe to /Lubuntu/.* on both wiki.u.c and help.u.c which does subscribe you to every change for all sub pages as well. I thought there *had* to be a better way than manually subscribing to each page, and was about to try to prove it on a local MediaWiki installation -- thanks for saving me the effort :) Took me a while to find it but I've subscribed to 3 whole teams pages and subpageson the wiki so I get lots of mail now. That should take care of the wiki team tracking changes others make. Personally, if I find something I think needs changing in a wiki, I'm fairly likely to 'just do it' rather than seek out someone else to make the edit for me, unless I am unsure about what the right content should be. Wiki's are all about empowering everyone to make changes as needed to improve things :) Just doing it is a great way to get everything down, sometimes the formatting can be a pain in the backside to keep it up to standard though (from Ubuntu's perspective). So I'd always encourage anyone and everyone to add information to the wiki pages as they find them either wrong or not complete. If you aren't sure and are doing more than a little edit by all means just drop by the IRC channel or mailing list and ask someone to peruse it for you. We're more than happy to help with all the trimmings, just having someone willing to do the content more than makes our job easy (I do try to keep an eye to the edits as they come through on the subscribed pages as well though but it doesn't hurt to double check and if there are a lot it takes a while to go through them all). Jonathan Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- God Bless ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates (wiki standards)
On 04/29/2011 06:10 AM, matthew byers wrote: I give a big +1 to ensuring wiki syntax standards are kept the same across the board. Where can one find the Ubuntu Wiki standards policy? This would be more useful to me than asking questions each time I edit; I can learn to follow the official standard. Just as there is the ubuntu-policy package clearly defining Debian Policy and related matters, presumably there is something for Ubuntu wiki standards...? +1 for following appropriate standards... tell me where I can read the appropriate standard please :) Thanks, Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates
Will this (wonderful challenge) change our working way or release treatment? Ups, another question. What about that package "community-artwork" with voted Flickr wallpapers? -- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates
Hiyas Jonathan, thanks for that, I've also updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/KeepLubuntuUptoDatewhich is where we are supposed to hold the documentation. Once I get a bit of breathing space I'm now confident in the new area and will start to set up re-directs to it from the old help area. When any changes are made, please let myself, MichaelH, head_victim, jasono and Daniel0108 know. There should always be one of us kicking about. I've lost CB and Zach due to real life issues and I don't want to cause AndrewMC burnout as he is now really having to concentrate on looking after ubuntu-youth - He knows myself and the gang are there to assist him (most are already council members). Thanks once again for your continued support of lubuntu. Phill. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: Phill Whiteside wrote: If you or your fellow ISO builder can drop me and my admin crew a note as to where we are upto, one of us will get the page(s) updated. I just added a quick note to the top of that page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/KeepLubuntuUptoDate saying NOTE: This page is for Lubuntu 10.04 only Lubuntu versions 10.10 and 11.04 do not use PPAs at all for updates, but use the same official repositories for updates that are used by all the official Ubuntu flavors. This page is only relevant for updates to Lubuntu 10.04. More generally, this might be a good reminder to all of us that wiki pages need keeping up to date, creating them is good, but is not enough. If we have enough people that we can assign particular people to keep an eye on particular Lubuntu wiki pages, that might help with this? Page guardians, or some similar concept? Then maybe a monthly reminder email to this list of those helpful wiki people, and which pages they are each keeping an eye on, would gently prompt any among them who forgot... :) Jonathan -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates
On 26 April 2011 15:27, Phill Whiteside phi...@vpolink.com wrote: Hiyas jonathan, We have to manually subscribe to each page, which is a pain. I have set up to subscribe to /Lubuntu/.* on both wiki.u.c and help.u.c which does subscribe you to every change for all sub pages as well. This only tells me of changes made though not ones that need to be changed. As I get better I'll discuss setting up a wiki team, but the admin / wiki gang should all be on the lubuntu main mailing list. With the loss of the Team Leader of the ubuntu-beginners-wiki and ubuntu-youth team for real life issues, things are a bit hectic. Please bear with us normal service will be resumed soon. We are working our socks off behind the scenes. Any team that we are involved in need only give any of us a 'shout' and you will have us arrive en-masse. Getting a replacement laptop for myself and a dev on SII and Speechcontrol has taken some doing. I'm hopefully going to get my phillw.net email address system unlocked shortly, my friend in USA locked it down once he was aware of the armed robbery. The good news is that once unlocked you can have an @lubuntu email address that will feed to your standard email account. I *think* I ordered 2,000 email addresses, but as Derrick has 20,000 we are not going to run out! I concur, unfortunately my LoCo is sucking up a large amount of time for me at the moment so I'm not exactly being overly proactive in searching out more work. More than happy to help when I can I just don't have time to sit and search through pages to see what needs updating. We need to be told of alterations / errors by the devs or members of teams we are psychotic not psychic :D As above. If anyone notices changes that need to be made please email the list or ping me on IRC (my nick is head_victim - I'm not always at my computer but it's rare that I'm not online). Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates
Hiyas Julien, I do apologiise for dropping off the planet. Never had an armed robbery before. I'd caution against them - they are not a great deal of fun. Hopefully my young admins have been behaving, do let me know if you or the team have ANY issues with them. The Dropping of Lubuntu, SpeechControl and SII onto them was a really big task for them. It will take me a while to get back upto speed, I'm running on a loan laptop using my backup hard drive. Coming back online to find jacky's computer had failed (something that you know about when it happened to you), I've managed to resource him a replacement laptop for SII / SpeechControl I'm still running at about 80% but anything urgent I will prioritise. Just as mention in dispatches, I'd like to thank my admin gang. In my dark hours, knowing that they were there helped. Within lubuntu we have a fantastic team of people - I know full well as I kidnap them to assist other teams, which they do willingly. You have one one heck of a team Julien. Lubuntu will happen and we will be adopted by Canoincal. My kindest regards, Phill. On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Julien Lavergne julien.laver...@gmail.comwrote: Le 24 avr. 2011 à 22:12, Phill Whiteside phi...@vpolink.com a écrit : Hiyas Martin, I know that work is still ongoing. When 11.04 comes out there is already a work in progress for an alternate ISO version which will remove the need for minimal install except for the legacy version (10.04) that the team will support for i586 chipsets. My apologies for a belated response to you, but armed robberies are not my sense of 'fun'. Hiyas Julien, If you or your fellow ISO builder can drop me and my admin crew a note as to where we are upto, one of us will get the page(s) updated. Regards, Phill. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Martin L. Olesen martin.ole...@landsbankinn.is martin.ole...@landsbankinn.is wrote: Hi Phil Regarding the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/KeepLubuntuUptoDate https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/KeepLubuntuUptoDate which is referred to from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall As I understand it (please correct me if I am wrong), Lubuntu 10.10 receives updates automatically like Ubuntu. If it is true, could this page please be revised? What stands on the page is fine for 10.04, but it would be good to add a note saying that for 10.10, one does not have to change anything. Thanks in advance Martin Olesen Landsbankinn (NBI hf.), kt. 471008-0280, Austurstræti 11, 155 Reykjavík, er skráð hlutafélag og starfar samkvæmt heimild og undir eftirliti Fjármálaeftirlitsins. Landsbankinn (NBI hf.), Austurstræti 11, 155 Reykjavík. is incorporated in Iceland with limited liability (Reg. No: 471008-0280) and is authorised and regulated by the Financial Supervisory Authority in Iceland (Fjármálaeftirlitið). Fyrirvari/Disclaimer: http://www.landsbankinn.is/disclaimer http://www.landsbankinn.is/disclaimer -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillwhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw Hi Phill, I'm glad to have news from you. I'm preparing the release this week and will keep you inform about the progress. Regards, Julien Lavergne -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates
Phill Whiteside wrote: If you or your fellow ISO builder can drop me and my admin crew a note as to where we are upto, one of us will get the page(s) updated. I just added a quick note to the top of that page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/KeepLubuntuUptoDate saying NOTE: This page is for Lubuntu 10.04 only Lubuntu versions 10.10 and 11.04 do not use PPAs at all for updates, but use the same official repositories for updates that are used by all the official Ubuntu flavors. This page is only relevant for updates to Lubuntu 10.04. More generally, this might be a good reminder to all of us that wiki pages need keeping up to date, creating them is good, but is not enough. If we have enough people that we can assign particular people to keep an eye on particular Lubuntu wiki pages, that might help with this? Page guardians, or some similar concept? Then maybe a monthly reminder email to this list of those helpful wiki people, and which pages they are each keeping an eye on, would gently prompt any among them who forgot... :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
