Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu 16.04.1 Live CD

[Israel]

Hi again, please provide:
/var/log/Xorg.0.log
Also, please try this on your actual hardware to see if the bug is 
reproducable.
You might also try the initial Lubuntu Xenial release to see if the bug 
is present there.

http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
This will help narrow down the issue, and when it was introduced

On 08/09/2016 07:43 PM, Neill Rutherford gmail.com wrote:



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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu 16.04.1 Live CD

[Israel]

Ok, so to troubleshoot Xorg
look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for errors.
If you need help please use pastebin and send the link so we can examine it.

This is the first step to find out what is wrong with your graphics.
It *could* be a driver issue, or something else is wrong.

Thanks


On 08/09/2016 11:16 AM, Neill Rutherford gmail.com wrote:


yes I do realise that upper case is shouting and i used upper case to 
get my point across


what is out there now is just plain bad.


I wish people would concentrate on the problem and get someone to fix it


PLEASE



On 09/08/16 10:35, Ian Bruntlett wrote:

Hi Neill,

On 8 August 2016 at 23:01, Neill Rutherford gmail 
> wrote:


I'll try to get my point over ONE MORE TIME My computers work
unless i try to run lubuntu 16.04.1 LIve CD.

Xubuntu 16.04 works Lubuntu 14.04 works. Please concentrate on
ONLY the Lubuntu live CD 16.04.1

Do you realise that typing messages in UPPER CASE are akin to 
shouting and therefore poor etiquette?


Can I get my point over, one more time? Any live CD needs more 
resources to run from CD/DVD than it does to run from hard drive. 
Your problem may simply be that your computer doesn't have enough 
resources to run a Lubuntu live CD/DVD. OTOH, there are various isos 
for Lubuntu - there is "alternate" which is used only for installs, 
never as a live CD/DVD - are you trying to use "alternate"? If so, 
please try using the "desktop" iso as that is intended to act as a 
live CD/DVD, if required.


I thank you but it sounds like there will not be a corrected LIVE
CD produced for some time,  may be never

OK

THIS IS A BAD ADVERT FOR LUBUNTU

I doubt it.

BW,


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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu 16.04.1 Live CD

[Narcis Garcia]

Neill, please fix the problem and tell the solution through this mailing
list.


El 09/08/16 a les 00:01, Neill Rutherford gmail ha escrit:
> I'll try to get my point over ONE MORE TIME My computers work unless i
> try to run lubuntu 16.04.1 LIve CD.
> 
> Xubuntu 16.04 works Lubuntu 14.04 works. Please concentrate on ONLY the
> Lubuntu live CD 16.04.1
> 
> 
> I thank you but it sounds like there will not be a corrected LIVE CD
> produced for some time,  may be never
> 
> 
> THIS IS A BAD ADVERT FOR LUBUNTU
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/08/16 12:51, Ian Bruntlett wrote:
>> Hi Neil.
>>
>> I haven't had Lubuntu fail to install. I tend not to use it as a live
>> CD as the computers I work on are rather old and not really suited for
>> that task.
>>
>> I refurbish old PCs on behalf of a mental health charity, Contact, and
>> they are given to Contact's members, their carers or families.
>>
>> What kind of processor is being used? What make and model of graphics
>> card? How much memory is available to Lubuntu?
>>
>> It might be worthwhile running memtest86+ to verify that the system's
>> RAM is OK.
>>
>> BW,
>>
>>
>> Ian
>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu 16.04.1 Live CD

[Israel]

Hi,
So, as I understand it you are saying that all the other _Ubuntu 16.04 
flavors work just fine_, but _Lubuntu does not_.


In my experience VirtualBox is not a very good judge of whether 
something 'works' or not, but that aside this is indeed a real problem.


I do not think your point got through very well on this list because of 
the way you stated it.

"THIS IS A BAD ADVERT FOR LUBUNTU"
Sounds hostile in an e-mail, when you may really have meant it to be 
something that was meant to be more like an alarm.


This is important to focus on and fix!

Feel free to dive in and help!
Thanks for testing this, could you test the LiveCD on real hardware as 
well, to see if it effects the actual computer, or if it is a VirtualBox 
glitch, this will help people to determine the root of your issue more 
clearly.  It does seem to be an Xorg issue


Thanks again for your input,
 but do try to explain your issue a bit differently next time so people 
will not feel that you are 'trolling' or 'attacking' them when you are, 
in reality, *VERY* concerned for the initial user experience.



On 08/08/2016 05:01 PM, Neill Rutherford gmail wrote:


I'll try to get my point over ONE MORE TIME My computers work unless i 
try to run lubuntu 16.04.1 LIve CD.


Xubuntu 16.04 works Lubuntu 14.04 works. Please concentrate on ONLY 
the Lubuntu live CD 16.04.1



I thank you but it sounds like there will not be a corrected LIVE CD 
produced for some time,  may be never



THIS IS A BAD ADVERT FOR LUBUNTU



On 08/08/16 12:51, Ian Bruntlett wrote:
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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu 16.04.1 Live CD

[Walter Lapchynski]

Neill,

Several people have asked you information to help troubleshoot this problem
but from what I can tell you have not provided this information. Without
that, it's impossible to fix your problem regardless of how nicely you act
or how much you shout. If you want help, answer all the questions asked and
try suggestions given.

On Aug 9, 2016 9:16 AM, "Neill Rutherford gmail.com" <
neill.rutherf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> yes I do realise that upper case is shouting and i used upper case to get
> my point across
>
> what is out there now is just plain bad.
>
>
> I wish people would concentrate on the problem and get someone to fix it
>
>
> PLEASE
>
>
>
> On 09/08/16 10:35, Ian Bruntlett wrote:
>
> Hi Neill,
>
> On 8 August 2016 at 23:01, Neill Rutherford gmail <
> neill.rutherf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll try to get my point over ONE MORE TIME My computers work unless i
>> try to run lubuntu 16.04.1 LIve CD.
>>
>> Xubuntu 16.04 works Lubuntu 14.04 works. Please concentrate on ONLY the
>> Lubuntu live CD 16.04.1
>>
> Do you realise that typing messages in UPPER CASE are akin to shouting and
> therefore poor etiquette?
>
> Can I get my point over, one more time? Any live CD needs more resources
> to run from CD/DVD than it does to run from hard drive. Your problem may
> simply be that your computer doesn't have enough resources to run a Lubuntu
> live CD/DVD. OTOH, there are various isos for Lubuntu - there is
> "alternate" which is used only for installs, never as a live CD/DVD - are
> you trying to use "alternate"? If so, please try using the "desktop" iso as
> that is intended to act as a live CD/DVD, if required.
>
> I thank you but it sounds like there will not be a corrected LIVE CD
>> produced for some time,  may be never
>>
> OK
>
>> THIS IS A BAD ADVERT FOR LUBUNTU
>>
> I doubt it.
>
> BW,
>
>
> Ian
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu 16.04.1 Live CD

[Neill Rutherford gmail.com]

yes I do realise that upper case is shouting and i used upper case to 
get my point across


what is out there now is just plain bad.


I wish people would concentrate on the problem and get someone to fix it


PLEASE



On 09/08/16 10:35, Ian Bruntlett wrote:

Hi Neill,

On 8 August 2016 at 23:01, Neill Rutherford gmail 
> wrote:


I'll try to get my point over ONE MORE TIME My computers work
unless i try to run lubuntu 16.04.1 LIve CD.

Xubuntu 16.04 works Lubuntu 14.04 works. Please concentrate on
ONLY the Lubuntu live CD 16.04.1

Do you realise that typing messages in UPPER CASE are akin to shouting 
and therefore poor etiquette?


Can I get my point over, one more time? Any live CD needs more 
resources to run from CD/DVD than it does to run from hard drive. Your 
problem may simply be that your computer doesn't have enough resources 
to run a Lubuntu live CD/DVD. OTOH, there are various isos for Lubuntu 
- there is "alternate" which is used only for installs, never as a 
live CD/DVD - are you trying to use "alternate"? If so, please try 
using the "desktop" iso as that is intended to act as a live CD/DVD, 
if required.


I thank you but it sounds like there will not be a corrected LIVE
CD produced for some time,  may be never

OK

THIS IS A BAD ADVERT FOR LUBUNTU

I doubt it.

BW,


Ian

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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu 16.04.1 Live CD

[Neill Rutherford gmail]

I'll try to get my point over ONE MORE TIME My computers work unless i 
try to run lubuntu 16.04.1 LIve CD.


Xubuntu 16.04 works Lubuntu 14.04 works. Please concentrate on ONLY the 
Lubuntu live CD 16.04.1



I thank you but it sounds like there will not be a corrected LIVE CD 
produced for some time,  may be never



THIS IS A BAD ADVERT FOR LUBUNTU



On 08/08/16 12:51, Ian Bruntlett wrote:

Hi Neil.

I haven't had Lubuntu fail to install. I tend not to use it as a live 
CD as the computers I work on are rather old and not really suited for 
that task.


I refurbish old PCs on behalf of a mental health charity, Contact, and 
they are given to Contact's members, their carers or families.


What kind of processor is being used? What make and model of graphics 
card? How much memory is available to Lubuntu?


It might be worthwhile running memtest86+ to verify that the system's 
RAM is OK.


BW,


Ian


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Re: [lubuntu-users] i3 Workspaces Plugin and LXQT Modularity

[Taylor Worthington]

Oy, sorry about that last email:

I tried out lxqt with i3, and the i3 workstations work with the default
lxqt panel as you probably already know.

Not only that, but the application buttons work too.

Thank you and goodbye.

Looks amazing.

Taylor

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:40 AM, Taylor Worthington <
w.taylor.worthing...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I humbly suggest a look at the cost and benefits of making i3 easily
> incorporated into the LXQT desktop.
>
> This would require programming a plugin for the LXQT toolbar.
>
> Here is this version of a plugin that incorporates into XFCE and Xubuntu:
> https://launchpad.net/~aacebedo/+archive/ubuntu/xfce4-i3-workspaces-plugin
>
> Here is an example of how easy and effective it is is incorporate i3 into
> XFCE:
> http://feeblenerd.blogspot.com/2015/11/pretty-i3-with-xfce.html
>
>
> LXQT is faster than XFCE, and allowing i3 to easily meld with it is a
> perfect match that should exist. A lot of people would find this
> functionality very appealing.
>
> Much love,
>
> Taylor
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[lubuntu-users] i3 Workspaces Plugin and LXQT Modularity

[Taylor Worthington]

I humbly suggest a look at the cost and benefits of making i3 easily
incorporated into the LXQT desktop.

This would require programming a plugin for the LXQT toolbar.

Here is this version of a plugin that incorporates into XFCE and Xubuntu:
https://launchpad.net/~aacebedo/+archive/ubuntu/xfce4-i3-workspaces-plugin

Here is an example of how easy and effective it is is incorporate i3 into
XFCE:
http://feeblenerd.blogspot.com/2015/11/pretty-i3-with-xfce.html


LXQT is faster than XFCE, and allowing i3 to easily meld with it is a
perfect match that should exist. A lot of people would find this
functionality very appealing.

Much love,

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Trouble installing 16.04 via live USB, hard drive prob?

[Liam Proven]

This message makes no sense to me.

On 9 August 2016 at 06:26, Marlon Ng  wrote:
> Hello guys. I'm using lubuntu. I decided to do a clean upgrade from 14.04 to
> 16.04 via live USB.

Hang on. Do you actually know what these words mean?

Either you can do a clean install, which is not an upgrade. The word
"clean" means "no trace of a previous system".

Or, you can do an upgrade, which is by definition not "clean".

Which did you want? Which did you mean in your message?

> I didn't bother to format the partition (where 14.04 was
> installed) before running the live USB, since the installation process gives
> you the option of doing so, correct?

Er, yes it does. But you can't do an upgrade from USB image. To
upgrade, you use the running system and run the update manager.

The "alternate ISO" which had an upgrade script was dropped after 12.10:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-August/035675.html


> Also, after formatting on the fly,

What does "formatting on the fly" mean?

> the used space was 800+ mb, is this
> normal?

You don't say how big your disk is. We cannot answer.

> When it was done, I couldn't boot into lubuntu. Only a black screen with a
> phrase that says something about blocks. Then it just sits there. Upon
> booting again with live usb, I noticed the partition still had only 800+ mb
> used space, which means lubuntu did not install? I've tried several times,
> same result.

You seem to be suffering severe confusion. You should resolve that first.

> I thought live USB was the problem because it can only "Install Lubuntu" but
> not "Try Lubuntu without installing".

On what basis did you think this? It does both. All versions do. Only
the server/netinstall images do not support live operation.

> But booting the live USB in another
> computer could do both tasks. So now I'm confused.
> Is the problem hard drive or live USB?

You have not given us /nearly/ enough information to decide.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Trouble installing 16.04 via live USB, hard drive prob?

[Ian Bruntlett]

Hi Marlon.

On 9 August 2016 at 05:26, Marlon Ng  wrote:

> Is the problem hard drive or live USB?
>
> I would have told the installer to format the partition. You can check for
hard drive problems by trying to run gnome-disks and looking at the
"Assessment" section for your hard drive.

HTH,


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Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu 16.04.1 Live CD

[Ian Bruntlett]

Hi Neill,

On 8 August 2016 at 23:01, Neill Rutherford gmail <
neill.rutherf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll try to get my point over ONE MORE TIME My computers work unless i try
> to run lubuntu 16.04.1 LIve CD.
>
> Xubuntu 16.04 works Lubuntu 14.04 works. Please concentrate on ONLY the
> Lubuntu live CD 16.04.1
>
Do you realise that typing messages in UPPER CASE are akin to shouting and
therefore poor etiquette?

Can I get my point over, one more time? Any live CD needs more resources to
run from CD/DVD than it does to run from hard drive. Your problem may
simply be that your computer doesn't have enough resources to run a Lubuntu
live CD/DVD. OTOH, there are various isos for Lubuntu - there is
"alternate" which is used only for installs, never as a live CD/DVD - are
you trying to use "alternate"? If so, please try using the "desktop" iso as
that is intended to act as a live CD/DVD, if required.

I thank you but it sounds like there will not be a corrected LIVE CD
> produced for some time,  may be never
>
OK

> THIS IS A BAD ADVERT FOR LUBUNTU
>
I doubt it.

BW,


Ian

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