Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Linux spotted at a Cheese Shop in Belluno, Italy

2016-11-14 Thread Rafael Laguna 
Beautiful.
Sadly Italy's government is coming back to Windows. Their OpenSource try
was unsuccessful.

:(

On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 01:40 Walter Lapchynski,  wrote:

> Lubuntu Linux spotted at a Cheese Shop in Belluno, Italy
> ​https://plus.google.com/+Itsfoss/posts/LFK62pCeBBC​
>
> ​:)​
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Re: [lubuntu-users] dropping i386/PPC (was: Re:[lubuntu-devel] State of PPC)

2016-11-14 Thread Eric Bradshaw 
@Yao:

Thanks for that link, it did go to the correct page, but, still the "time"
is eluding me, is that "1500" UTC zone 1 . . .  ???  How to extrapolate
that to Pacific Time Zone?
F


Change UTC to your time zone: 
http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx

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Re: [lubuntu-users] dropping i386/PPC (was: Re: [lubuntu-devel] State of PPC)

2016-11-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:39:08 -0800, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>@Yao:
>
>Thanks for that link, it did go to the correct page, but, still the
>"time" is eluding me, is that "1500" UTC zone 1 . . .  ???  How to
>extrapolate that to Pacific Time zone???  

In the left upper corner, here's a clock. If you click this clock it
links to a world clock. Here it displays the time and then "UT" from
"UTC", the "C" isn't displayed.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

The clock displays e.g. 21:53, then I take a look at e.g. "Berlin" and
there the time is 22:53, IOW I need to subtract 1 hour, which is true,
since my timezone is +0100.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [lubuntu-users] dropping i386/PPC (was: Re: [lubuntu-devel] State of PPC)

2016-11-14 Thread Fritz Hudnut 
@Yao:

Thanks for that link, it did go to the correct page, but, still the "time"
is eluding me, is that "1500" UTC zone 1 . . .  ???  How to extrapolate
that to Pacific Time zone???

F

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Yao Wei  wrote:

> The correct link is: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/meeting/22714/
> architecture-discussions/
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 at 04:55 Fritz Hudnut  wrote:
>
>> @wxl:
>>
>> Again asking what time this will be happening?  I tried the link and it
>> said "page doesn't exist" . . . possibly link is busted or the page doesn't
>> exist until in use?
>>
>> F
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Walter Lapchynski 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It should be pointed out that this discussion is not only about PPC but
>> it's also about i386. Since i386 is a major target of Lubuntu, I would
>> advise attendance.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Bryan Quigley <
>> bryan.quig...@canonical.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for the late notice - there is a live discussion scheduled for
>> this Wednesday on this topic for any flavors that want to further the
>> discussion.
>>
>> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-16 11/meeting/22714/architecture-
>> discussions/
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Walter Lapchynski 
>> wrote:
>> > As you can see from the page on [PPC][1], the architecture has only
>> > community support from Ubuntu. Lubuntu has been trying as much as we
>> can to
>> > support this, but the fact of the matter is that we have no developers
>> on
>> > our team that can actually help with PPC bugs.
>> >
>> > The best you can hope for is that kernel developers (mostly, the issue
>> is
>> > with drivers) might have some interest in fixing bugs. However, with
>> only
>> > community support, that's unlikely. Most of the focus on PPC has been
>> on the
>> > server side of things, where graphics just don't come into play.
>> >
>> > My estimation of things is that Lubuntu on PPC mostly works, given a few
>> > caveats. All we need to do to release PPC is for all of the test cases
>> to be
>> > completed successfully (regardless of whether or not there are bugs) and
>> > that marked on the QA tracker for the final testing of each milestone.
>> If we
>> > don't have that done, Canonical will not let us release it.
>> >
>> > PPC was what brought me originally to Lubuntu, so there's a special
>> place
>> > for it in my heart. Having an OS make that old hardware work was very
>> > refreshing and introduced me to the real power and mission of Lubuntu.
>> >
>> > However, I haven't ran PPC in a long, long time. That being said, I'm
>> not of
>> > much help. We rely on the community of users to help out. When I don't
>> see
>> > testing happening in the community, it makes me think that I'm not the
>> only
>> > one that's neglected their PPC machines.
>> >
>> > The reality of the situation is that there has been much talk
>> throughout the
>> > Ubuntu community over the past few years about getting rid of i386. If
>> that
>> > happens, I can't imagine that Canonical keeping PPC. With that in mind,
>> I
>> > think the end of PPC Lubuntu is coming regardless of what our feelings
>> are.
>> >
>> > Furthermore, the Lubuntu Team is a small one and we often lack the
>> capacity
>> > to do the things that we need to do. PPC is just stretching us even
>> thinner,
>> > and into an area few of us really have the experience, knowledge,
>> resources,
>> > or time to deal with.
>> >
>> > That said, I'm inclined to suggest we start the process of removing
>> PPC. We
>> > managed to release an LTS, which is the only version we even bother
>> with PPC
>> > on. All we would need to do is ensure that all the point releases for
>> Trusty
>> > and Xenial get published. That would put us out until about August 2018.
>> >
>> > I think ultimately this will be better for the team. Most importantly,
>> > though, I think it will be better for the PPC users that I fear we can't
>> > really support and who we often leave with a frustrated experience.
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC
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>> > Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
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>> > Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer
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Re: [lubuntu-users] dropping i386/PPC (was: Re: [lubuntu-devel] State of PPC)

2016-11-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:54:58 -0800, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>I tried the link and it said "page doesn't exist"

I posted the correct link here:

http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2016-November/106712.html

It was just a "space" between "16" and "11".

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[lubuntu-users] dropping i386/PPC (was: Re: [lubuntu-devel] State of PPC)

2016-11-14 Thread Walter Lapchynski 
It should be pointed out that this discussion is not only about PPC but
it's also about i386. Since i386 is a major target of Lubuntu, I would
advise attendance.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Bryan Quigley 
wrote:

> Sorry for the late notice - there is a live discussion scheduled for
> this Wednesday on this topic for any flavors that want to further the
> discussion.
>
> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-16 11/meeting/22714/architecture-discussions/
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Walter Lapchynski  wrote:
> > As you can see from the page on [PPC][1], the architecture has only
> > community support from Ubuntu. Lubuntu has been trying as much as we can
> to
> > support this, but the fact of the matter is that we have no developers on
> > our team that can actually help with PPC bugs.
> >
> > The best you can hope for is that kernel developers (mostly, the issue is
> > with drivers) might have some interest in fixing bugs. However, with only
> > community support, that's unlikely. Most of the focus on PPC has been on
> the
> > server side of things, where graphics just don't come into play.
> >
> > My estimation of things is that Lubuntu on PPC mostly works, given a few
> > caveats. All we need to do to release PPC is for all of the test cases
> to be
> > completed successfully (regardless of whether or not there are bugs) and
> > that marked on the QA tracker for the final testing of each milestone.
> If we
> > don't have that done, Canonical will not let us release it.
> >
> > PPC was what brought me originally to Lubuntu, so there's a special place
> > for it in my heart. Having an OS make that old hardware work was very
> > refreshing and introduced me to the real power and mission of Lubuntu.
> >
> > However, I haven't ran PPC in a long, long time. That being said, I'm
> not of
> > much help. We rely on the community of users to help out. When I don't
> see
> > testing happening in the community, it makes me think that I'm not the
> only
> > one that's neglected their PPC machines.
> >
> > The reality of the situation is that there has been much talk throughout
> the
> > Ubuntu community over the past few years about getting rid of i386. If
> that
> > happens, I can't imagine that Canonical keeping PPC. With that in mind, I
> > think the end of PPC Lubuntu is coming regardless of what our feelings
> are.
> >
> > Furthermore, the Lubuntu Team is a small one and we often lack the
> capacity
> > to do the things that we need to do. PPC is just stretching us even
> thinner,
> > and into an area few of us really have the experience, knowledge,
> resources,
> > or time to deal with.
> >
> > That said, I'm inclined to suggest we start the process of removing PPC.
> We
> > managed to release an LTS, which is the only version we even bother with
> PPC
> > on. All we would need to do is ensure that all the point releases for
> Trusty
> > and Xenial get published. That would put us out until about August 2018.
> >
> > I think ultimately this will be better for the team. Most importantly,
> > though, I think it will be better for the PPC users that I fear we can't
> > really support and who we often leave with a frustrated experience.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC
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> > Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
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Re: [lubuntu-users] [lubuntu-devel] State of PPC

2016-11-14 Thread Bryan Quigley 
Sorry for the late notice - there is a live discussion scheduled for
this Wednesday on this topic for any flavors that want to further the
discussion.

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-16 11/meeting/22714/architecture-discussions/

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Walter Lapchynski  wrote:
> As you can see from the page on [PPC][1], the architecture has only
> community support from Ubuntu. Lubuntu has been trying as much as we can to
> support this, but the fact of the matter is that we have no developers on
> our team that can actually help with PPC bugs.
>
> The best you can hope for is that kernel developers (mostly, the issue is
> with drivers) might have some interest in fixing bugs. However, with only
> community support, that's unlikely. Most of the focus on PPC has been on the
> server side of things, where graphics just don't come into play.
>
> My estimation of things is that Lubuntu on PPC mostly works, given a few
> caveats. All we need to do to release PPC is for all of the test cases to be
> completed successfully (regardless of whether or not there are bugs) and
> that marked on the QA tracker for the final testing of each milestone. If we
> don't have that done, Canonical will not let us release it.
>
> PPC was what brought me originally to Lubuntu, so there's a special place
> for it in my heart. Having an OS make that old hardware work was very
> refreshing and introduced me to the real power and mission of Lubuntu.
>
> However, I haven't ran PPC in a long, long time. That being said, I'm not of
> much help. We rely on the community of users to help out. When I don't see
> testing happening in the community, it makes me think that I'm not the only
> one that's neglected their PPC machines.
>
> The reality of the situation is that there has been much talk throughout the
> Ubuntu community over the past few years about getting rid of i386. If that
> happens, I can't imagine that Canonical keeping PPC. With that in mind, I
> think the end of PPC Lubuntu is coming regardless of what our feelings are.
>
> Furthermore, the Lubuntu Team is a small one and we often lack the capacity
> to do the things that we need to do. PPC is just stretching us even thinner,
> and into an area few of us really have the experience, knowledge, resources,
> or time to deal with.
>
> That said, I'm inclined to suggest we start the process of removing PPC. We
> managed to release an LTS, which is the only version we even bother with PPC
> on. All we would need to do is ensure that all the point releases for Trusty
> and Xenial get published. That would put us out until about August 2018.
>
> I think ultimately this will be better for the team. Most importantly,
> though, I think it will be better for the PPC users that I fear we can't
> really support and who we often leave with a frustrated experience.
>
> What do you think?
>
> [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC
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