Re: vallet

2003-10-07 Thread Jon Murphy
Roman, You make some good points, and I confess I haven't read every message in the thread so I'm not sure if the discussion is on the total copying of a book (a work product), or the copying of particular parts of a book (say facsimiles of particular pieces that are themselves in the public

Re: Lute version of Three Ravens?

2003-10-07 Thread Jon Murphy
I have my own guitar arrangement, that has never been written down. Also in my files (somewhere) I have a three part version written for a cappella singers in a fine counterpoint. I have intended to try to put both in standard notation, but not sure if I could put it in lute tabulature, yet - I

farewell fantasy...

2003-10-07 Thread Rob MacKillop
Thanks to all the kind messages, both to this list and to me privately. = Many of the writers find it hard to understand why I don't follow my own = advice and get a day job so that I can play the lute for my own pleasure = and do the occasional concert. That is obvious, and yet I am not the =

Re: looking for a lutar - forwarded

2003-10-07 Thread corun
Gernot wrote: The term lutar is - at least as far as I know - used for a LUte-guiTAR, i.e. a six-course singlestrung lute, just like the Wandervogellaute. This may be what Rachel's looking for. These things sell at ebay quite cheaply. Search for lute. Yes, that's what she's looking for. I'm

Re: looking for a lutar - forwarded

2003-10-07 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 01:15 PM 10/7/2003 -0400, David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my mind it's just a guitar with a lute-like body and pegboard. So it was in vogue for a while in 19th-century Germany, it probably doesn't hold much interest for those who are interested in the renaissance or Baroque lute.

Re: farewell fantasy...

2003-10-07 Thread Caroline Usher
And furthermore . . . . Ye see yon birkie ca'd 'a [retired Head of Music], Wha struts, an stares, an a' that? Tho hundreds worship at his word, He's but a cuif* for a' that. For a' that, an a' that, His ribband, star, an a' that, The man o independent mind, He looks an laughs at a' that.

Re: farewell fantasy...

2003-10-07 Thread corun
Caroline wrote: Surely there is an old Scottish curse which could be visited on this person and his minions? I propose that at Midnight GMT tonight all members of this list play the Gypsies Lilt from the Rowallen Lute Book with a discord on every beat, while willin' a mickle bad luck on yon

Gypsie's Lilt

2003-10-07 Thread corun
Ok Caroline, this is all your fault. Since you mentioned the Gypsie's Lilt I decided to see if I had a copy and in fact I have two, one by Ronn McFarlane and one by Robert Phillips. Both versions contain the most hideous chord I've ever heard. d --- b --- a --- --- --- d --- I

Re: Gypsie's Lilt

2003-10-07 Thread Thomas Schall
Hi, this is one of the most beautifull chords in renaissance lute music! And - BTW - it HAS to be a chord which sounds a bit out of place given the progression of the music. I well remember the discussion we had about the chord several years ago as Rob still pleeded for Lutars for an independant

Re: looking for a lutar - forwarded

2003-10-07 Thread Eugene Braig
Well, my apologies to all. My statement largely was meant to be tongue in cheek, and I intended no slight to the early Jugendbewegung movement or Wandervögel groups. After all, they constituted the earliest seed of what has flowered into one of the most active camps of modern art music for

Re: looking for a lutar - forwarded

2003-10-07 Thread Thomas Schall
. A modern guitar in a lute-like shape may be just the tool for this job. which would be a liuto forte but these are rather expensive (I think the cheapest will cost around 6000 $) (well-done instruments without repertoire but of high quality of craftsmanship - what a loss of material and time

[Fwd: Re: looking for a lutar - forwarded]

2003-10-07 Thread Manolo Laguillo
Matanya Ophee wrote: ..past century, the Vogelwand movement. There were literally hundreds of... it was Wandervogel (wandering birds), actually... ;-) Vogelwand = bird's wall Manolo Laguillo Barcelona --

Re: Gypsie's Lilt

2003-10-07 Thread Rainer aus dem Spring
Thomas Schall wrote: Hi, this is one of the most beautifull chords in renaissance lute music! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

Re: Gypsie's Lilt

2003-10-07 Thread Edward Martin
Incidentally, the version you mention by Robert Phillips is actually the Englished version on the name of Rob MacKillop. They are one and the same. Yes, this subject was discussed at length years ago. It is a beautiful chord, in my opinion. And no, it is not an accident, as it is stated and

Re: looking for a lutar - forwarded

2003-10-07 Thread David Rastall
On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 06:43 PM, Eugene Braig wrote: ...There _were_ reams of shoddily constructed guitar lutes built to target a fickle crowd of amateurs; such is the case with any popular instrument (e.g., consider the modern guitar or the mandolin in the early 1900s). It's

Re: vallet

2003-10-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
MO, your own business practices are so far removed from being kosher, that your moralization is nothing more than a joke that outlived its punch-line. Yes I know. I admit it and I hang my head down with abject shame. Abject poverty of heart and mind, but not shame, I'm afraid RT