Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Jon Murphy
I'm not sure to whom to reply, so I pick on the good Dr. of Chemistry. It comes down to the question of what is perfection. Is a straight line straight, or is a mess of fractals (don't pick on me for the joking reference, I realize that there is more to fractals). Are we really going to go to this

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Jon Murphy
Michael, I thought I'd covered my views on this topic, but I have to add my comment. Is it wrong for humans to try to achieve perfect symmetry? It seems nature is trying. Nature is trying, very trying (I hope you know that English trope). Can we know perfection? No. Can we aspire to it?

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
-Original Message- From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 26, 2005 2:01 PM To: Dr. Marion Ceruti [EMAIL PROTECTED], guy_and_liz Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED], LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Thames [EMAIL

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Michael Thames
A friend of mine who works at Sandia Labs tried to explain Quantum Physics to me over a couple bottles of wine one evening, unfortunately if I can't apply it in my daily life, it goes in one ear, and out the other. Concerning perfection, I guess it's a state of mind, as Dr. Emoto has

lute hole

2005-05-27 Thread Ed Durbrow
Turn your guitar hole into a lute rose. http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=7585 -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

Re: was: Stradivari lute? now: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Ed Durbrow
I just happened to be reading a book by Peter Van der Merwe at the moment called Roots of the Classical The Popular Origins of Western Music. He has some interesting comments on symmetry. He maintains that symmetry can be perceived by sight, by hearing and by the sense of time - and that is

Re: lute hole

2005-05-27 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 11:56 AM 5/27/2005, Ed Durbrow wrote: Turn your guitar hole into a lute rose. http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=7585 These guys have been around for a great long time. I once called to probe on their capabilities to reproduce historic, inset roses. They can't; what you see is about

RE: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Ron Fletcher
Hi Michael, Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line. I conjectured that such a template would indicate that the Strad's lute-bodies were not made over

Re: lute hole

2005-05-27 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
Roses are also available on eBay if you want to compare to those on the web site. However, I agree with Eugene. I don't need one because my instruments, including guitars, are fine the way they are. The instruments that should have roses already have better ones that these. Also if you bring your

RE: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread demery
Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Michael, Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line. Is it clear how this template was used? I can see many

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Michael Thames
Hi Ron, I don't know if strad used a mould. I was unaware he even made lutes until visiting the museum. However, judging from the template of folded paper, I think it was simply used to trace the pattern onto a belly. The same folded paper templates can be seen of his violins, guitars,

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Arto Wikla
Dear Dana, On Fri, 27 May 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Bringing it back to the lute, your ear is the best tuning device. Arguable. Yes, some humans ear will be the ultimate judge, but, diffreent ears have different preferences, and, frankly, the

Re: lute hole

2005-05-27 Thread bill kilpatrick
i'm not about to drop £30.00 for a wooden coaster, thank you very much - don't care how elegant it is - but i think it's a good idea. i don't use an amplifier but i understand from those who do that an acoustic instrument can cause feedback - seems as if this might stop it. the additional boon

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Chad McAnally
Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Bringing it back to the lute, your ear is the best tuning device. I would agree with Jon on this point. Tuning by ear is a learned skill, just like playing lute or anything else for that matter. Electronic tuners are dandy things

FW: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Ron Fletcher
Arto wrote... PS Tomorrow morning: a rehearsal of Monteverdi, and also an interesting piece by Trabaci, a spectacle for 3 sirens... :-) Fire, Police and Ambulance? No? The three sirens are in the audience? No? They're all wearing spectacles! Just enjoy it Arto Best Wishes Ron (UK)

Ed's return

2005-05-27 Thread Edward Martin
Dear Ones, I have returned home, finally after 3 weeks in the hospital. I am well aware that the list has known of my bicycle crash, trauma, and illnesses. I heard from many, many of you, and I thank you so much for your friendship and support. I will have most of the summer off, which

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Carl Donsbach
A dancer I was once acquainted with used to expound on what he called the myth of radial symmetry in regard to the human body. The body *looks* symmetrical, but inside, most of the vital organs are on one side or the other. And if you take function into account, almost nothing is

Re: Blind players and memory

2005-05-27 Thread Monica Aiken
Roger, I like your take on things. It's true. There is such a thing as musical language just like the spoken language, where people have learned to talk when they were babies and learned a vocabulary through years of socialization and training. I agree that it's similar with musical training,

Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect

2005-05-27 Thread Michael Thames
The more highly developed we become, the more pronounced these differences are. The more your personality develops the less symmetrical your facial expressions are. So in nature, symmetry is a starting point, not a goal. I recall seeing a show on the science channel about human