I have played through the Barley orpharion pieces several times and
have not come up with specific traits that make those pieces
orparhion pieces rather than lute pieces. That said, I have put a
bit of thought into what makes a good orparhion piece and how it's
different from something
No question the Barley pieces are thin, which favors the orpharion,
but one would have to look much further into it.
For example, are other exemplars, not related to Barley, thin in the
same way, yet only for lute.
And the temperament issue alone is a big job. The thinness, the
griffenschaft is
I have to reverse engineer a 'proper' bass line to Nina (canzonetta),
long wrongly attributed to Pergolesi but actually by Legrenzi Ciampi
(1719-
Roman wrote:
I have the original (somewhere), which is with baroque guitar,
Ciampi wrote for baroque guitar or are his songs with alfabetto? Do
Keep looking in the mirror, Igor.
DR
On Mar 23, 2008, at 12:34 PM, igor . wrote:
not HIP enough !
Savall plays an early renaissance bow _
Guitarist using Dunlop capo_
Karamazov playing Vihuela _
what a circus
p.s.
more ValeryThomas please
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For the period in question, 1516-1598 I should think vihuelas are well
within reason and fiddles and bows went in a lot of directions. Capos
don't bother me much either. It would be like forbidding putting your
lute against the right period of table for a little amplification. Or,
dare I
Canaries?
very entertaining - I love the sound of the zynk. The players look so funny
when they play *grin*
Thank you for directing us to this video.
Best wishes
Thomas
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They say Martin y Coll was born around 1670
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The bearded percussionist is Pedro Estevan.
On Mar 23, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Sean Smith wrote:
Btw, is that Lee Santana playing percussion?
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The bearded percussionist is Pedro Estevan.
I thought it was Papa Smurf..?
Rob
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luckily , there are hundreds of youtube performances by Kidneycutter and
Valery to enjoy . I hope they will post more !
SavallCo are not as good ( for me , of course ) as old good
Val,ShoskesSchall .
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On Mar 23, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Sean Smith wrote:
I'll judge the performance to whether it atchieves the goals of the
music, the composer, the players and the director.
That's a lot of goals! Not always easy to reconcile.
Plus we have to add into the mix the caprices of the audience. I can
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nina bass line
| Roman wrote:
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| I have the original (somewhere), which is with
I am sure Pat has it, because I copied it from him. It was included in some
Parisian publication of canzonettas with guitar, both score and tab. I am
pretty sure it is in the house, because I didn't give it to anyone. HOWEVER,
it is not that interesting in its original form.
RT
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I believe this was also featured on an early LP recording by theWaverly Consort
called Italia Mia. I don't know that it was everreissued as a tape or CD. I
believe it appeared in the early 1970s.
I used to play it with a tenor vocalist in 1995.
Bob Purrenhage
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PLEASE look for it, Roman. Are you certain? It's from a dramma
giocoso dated ca. 1747. So in 1747 the accompaniment would
probably be orchestra.
Here's a poor score from those song antholgies:
http://www.el-atril.com/partituras/Pergolesi/Nina.pdf
Thank you, Arthur, but I have that, or its
You mean the one of his playing Murcia with these dancers?
Apparently he replaced someone else at short notice and the costume was too
tight for him and his hands were cold! I asked him what the dancers were
doing and he said he hadn't a clue!
I watched the video several times and I noted
Tomorrow I'll have a little concert with some three- and four-part songs,
which after a quick internet search I gather were taken taken from Musica
Britannica volume 25. The singers gave me the copies without knowing the
composers. Can someone with the book identify the composers from the
and point out that EK (looking very seventies in this
video, don't you think?) is not playing the vihuela but rather an
archlute (which we all know is the dreaded single-strung variety)
Karamazov does Vihuela David ! Before any judging , you should see
the whole clip at least
On Mar 23, 2008, at 5:56 PM, igor . wrote:
Karamazov does Vihuela David ! Before any judging , you should see
the whole clip at least
Yes. Sorry, my mistake.
Now that I've seen the whole thing though, I'm just curious: what do
you mean exactly when you say you want more HIP? Just
On 3/23/2008, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtnSb3aJz0o
Nice performance, thanks for the tip!
Arto
PS The modern capo, the certain igor found, did not bother me at all,
well actually I did not even notice... ;-)
BTW, my old guitar capo is very useful
what do you mean exactly when you say you want more HIP? Just that
thing with the capo?
no David : check my earlier messsage ! why do i have to remind
you all the time to read and see well ?
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dear mr. giuliani
professional lutenist should have more different sized lutes ( guitars )
instead of cheap bluegrass capo ! orlearn to transpose ( maybe )
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On 3/24/2008, igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
dear mr. giuliani
professional lutenist should have more different sized lutes ( guitars )
instead of cheap bluegrass capo ! orlearn to transpose ( maybe )
Could you, Mr., Mrs, Ms. or perhaps Miss igor, work out your
Guiliani
just to remind you : your continuo playing reminded me to Giuliani op.1
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On 3/24/2008, igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Arto,
i apologise if nickname Giuliani bothers you.
will never call you Giuliani again.
Igor
Doesn't bother at all. I just cannot get your (possible) message, if
there is any? So what is your (great?) story to the lute list? So far I
On Mar 23, 2008, at 6:47 PM, igor . wrote:
no David : check my earlier messsage ! why do i have to remind you
all the time to read and see well ?
Okay, okay, I promise to watch everything all the way to the end in
future. My bad. But I'm still curious. Perhaps someone else can
lute list is open to everybody a r t o .even for an idiot like me !
just like youtube is open to many idiot lute players to share their fails
with the others.
i have no message, i have no story, nothing.
just lute amateur like all of us here.
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lute list is open to everybody a r t o .even for an idiot like me !
just like youtube is open to many idiot lute players to share their fails
with the others.
i have no message, i have no story, nothing.
just lute amateur like all of us
On Mar 24, 2008, at 12:56 AM, igor . wrote:
.even for an idiot like me !
You have said it all.
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The Barley pieces are thin and range from simple
tunes to the Dowland Go from my Window. But I am
not sure that the thin is an especailly
orpharion-esque aspect. On my Rose orpharion
full 5 and 6 course G and C chords sound
great. To fine tune this idea a bit, you might
notice more on the
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