[LUTE] Re: Eustache de Caurroy

2008-09-26 Thread
Dear William, "Une Jeune Fillette" = first text only in "Recueil de plusieurs chansons divise en trois parties", Lyon 1557. Several hundred versions since then - Contrafacta, instrumental and ensemble pieces. See for example in Frescobaldi, "Due messe a otto voci", Milano 1975 (Opere complete I),

[LUTE] Eustache de Caurroy

2008-09-26 Thread William Brohinsky
Collected lute wisdom, The collegium is playing a pair of fantasies on Une Jeune Fillette by Eustache de Caurroy this semester, and I'm supposed to figure out what to pluck with them. They are number 31 and 32 (trenteuniesme and trentedeuxiesme). Has anyone seen these? What is the song they are b

[LUTE] Re: 18th German cittern tuning

2008-09-26 Thread Stuart Walsh
Hello citternophiles, There is a book of "chorales" in tablature from c.1750 in the Moravian Archives in Bethlehem PA, that may be for cittern. The tuning is GCEGBE. Is that right for that time? Most of the Moravians came from Germany and spoke German. And there is documentat

[LUTE] Re: Lute RH technique

2008-09-26 Thread Mathias Rösel
"Stephen Fryer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > What seems to be lacking is any description of RH finger technique - > beyond such things as "strike upward" with the fingers or "strike > downward" with the thumb. Where do the ideas come from that were so > well described by Mathias Rösel: > > G

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-26 Thread Mathias Rösel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > One last thing that many forget - the sound that > comes out of a lute is quite different for the > listener than for the player. Yepp, that's why I sometimes practice close to a wall which reflects the sound that I otherwise cannot hear. -- Mathias To get on

[LUTE] Re: Lute RH technique

2008-09-26 Thread vance wood
Short an answer as possible. The technique for the right hand on the Lute, as you have described, comes from the necessity of striking both strings in a course at the same time, a problem you do not have with the Guitar. I mentioned this previously but it still bears repeating: The Guitar is

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_Hoax RT From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Presenting contemporary works as historical is a long tradition in the music biz-- So is outright stealing and piracy. The program notes to a recent Naxos recording of Ponce's solo guitar music recounts this episo

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread chriswilke
Jeff, --- Jeffrey Noonan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Presenting contemporary works as historical is a > long tradition in the music > biz-- > So is outright stealing and piracy. > The program notes to a recent Naxos recording of > Ponce's solo guitar music > recounts this episode. Sego

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-26 Thread howard posner
On Sep 26, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Sauvage Valéry wrote: > I already tell my opinion on this, and ask luthier about it . Any > luthier on the list ? > The matter of taste of ancient players and listener is unknown now. > You can quote this or that, and who knows what else was said ? > (same with n

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-26 Thread Sauvage Valéry
Valery, There is no such thing as a best sound or playing position. No idea of a "best" way to get a sound from a lute existed back then: I already tell my opinion on this, and ask luthier about it . Any luthier on the list ? The matter of taste of ancient players and listener is un

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 02:44 PM 9/26/2008, howard posner wrote: >On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Jeffrey Noonan wrote: > > > Segovia was merely trying to keep up with the other international > > virtuosi of the day (Landowska, among others ), who were unearthing > > and performing old, obscure masterpieces--sometimes a

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread howard posner
On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Jeffrey Noonan wrote: > Segovia was merely trying to keep up with the other international > virtuosi of the day (Landowska, among others ), who were unearthing > and performing old, obscure masterpieces--sometimes actual > historical pieces, sometimes new composition

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread Jeffrey Noonan
Presenting contemporary works as historical is a long tradition in the music biz-- See Charles Cudworth, "Ye Olde Spuriosity Shoppe, or Put in the Anhang" in Notes 12 (1954-55). The program notes to a recent Naxos recording of Ponce's solo guitar music recounts this episode. Segovia was mere

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread chriswilke
Arthur, I'm curious about the "lutenist who may not be named" as well. Trustworthy as this fellow probably is, there have been bigger hoaxes before so we have to remain sceptical until the lutenist's name comes out or there is some verifiable publication. The Segovia/Ponce frauds for exam

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 12:02 PM 9/26/2008, Arthur Ness wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "EUGENE BRAIG IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Lute Net" >Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:49 PM >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Respighi > >You have quite deliberately quoted private correspondence way out of >context and misre

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread Arthur Ness
- Original Message - From: "EUGENE BRAIG IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute Net" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:49 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Respighi You have quite deliberately quoted private correspondence way out of context and misrepresented or completely misconstrued the statemen

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread Arthur Ness
- Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Pleijsier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Lute Net" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Respighi | POssibly because he doesn't want to quoted, for politi

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 10:26 AM 9/26/2008, Arthur Ness wrote: >I never expected it would be so controversial. And the controversy is due >solely to ugly comments by Matanya Ophee and now Eugene name?>. They are demanding information to which they are not necessarily >entitled. and seem to think they will get the in

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
POssibly because he doesn't want to quoted, for political reasons. The same ones another (the same?) lutenist isn't talking about the Melchiorre Chiesa archlute Ms. Same situation. RT - Original Message - From: "Paul Pleijsier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread Arthur Ness
- Original Message - From: "Paul Pleijsier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Lute Net" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Respighi | As a total outsider in this matter, I just wonder why the Italian | "living and breathing" "mas

[LUTE] Re: Lute sound

2008-09-26 Thread chriswilke
Valery, There is no such thing as a best sound or playing position. No idea of a "best" way to get a sound from a lute existed back then: "the Italians, and especially the Venetians, have in all times excelled ...in the Consorts of grave, solemn music, sometimes running so sweetly wi

[LUTE] Re: The Pauper Prince

2008-09-26 Thread Arthur Ness
- Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute Net" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: The Pauper Prince | Art, | | This is truly a fascinating story about a man whose family has a direct | connecti

[LUTE] Re: Respighi

2008-09-26 Thread Paul Pleijsier
As a total outsider in this matter, I just wonder why the Italian "living and breathing" "master lutenist" is unnamed as of yet. Paul Pleijsier Op 26 sep 2008, om 04:24 heeft Arthur Ness het volgende geschreven: <