Tim,

I'm an amateur also, but isn't the pitch determined by the density and breaking strength of the string as well as its length? And, of course the response of the instrument is determined by a number of factors, including volume of the bowl, size of the rose, and the makeup and bracing of the soundboard.

Tim

Quite correct, but there is a bit of an anomaly involved which which makes the length of the instrument the over-riding factor in the highest pitch for the top string. The lute, like the guitar and unlike the harp or psaltery, has the same length for all strings. The achievable pitch for the highest string will define the overall tuning of the instrument. Please pardon me if this reads a bit like a primer, I'm trying to sort out the competing factors - and those with more knowledge please allow that I'm trying to show the principles, not all the details.

The force required to break a string is a function of the tensile strength of the material and the diameter of the string. The tensile strength is measured in force per square unit, i.e. lbs. per square inch or kg. per square mm. or whatever (no arguments on force vs. weight, etc., please). The thicker the string the more force required to break it.

The pitch of a string is a function of the length, the tension, and the mass. Note that it is the mass of the string, not the density of the material. The mass is a cubic measure - the combination of the square measure that is guage (or diameter) and the length. There is an obvious interplay here as the vibrating length affects the pitch, and also affects the mass.

The anomaly that started me on my book on the topic is something understood by the old luthiers, but it came as a surprise to me when I first made my own instruments after over fifty years of playing guitar. (The book is on hold for the moment, I've been unable to complete my testing of the various string materials due to a medical matter - I carelessly left my right leg at the hospital some time ago and the testing involves lifting some heavy weights). I tuned up my first (and so far only) lute made from a kit and found I couldn't tune the chanterelle to g'. I took smaller and smaller guage strings, nylon and Nylgut, and they still broke at the same pitch. That got me started looking into it.

The apparant anomaly is that, given the material and the length, any string will break at the same pitch no matter the guage. When you think of it, it is no longer an anomaly. The greater guage requires more tension, given a fixed vibrating length, to come up to pitch as the string has more mass. It requires more force to break the thicker string, but also more tension to bring it up to pitch. Conversely it takes less tension to achieve the pitch on a lighter guage, but also less force to break it. It happens that the trade off is directly proportional and there is a breaking pitch for each material at a given vibrating length.

One thing that is an anomaly, however, is that the most commonly used string materials have factors that trade off and give them similar breaking pitches. Steel, gut, nylon and Nylgut have similar breaking pitches (about a tone and a half). Bronze and brass are quite different. I first worked this out mathematically from standard figures on the density and tensile strength of the materials. As I was unsatisfied with the standard specifications I decided to do actual tests to make averages for the various manufacturers - and that is what is on hold for the moment. (Breaking steel strings of some guages requires 150lbs of weight on my home made jig). But so far my results have confirmed the thesis, and also shown the standard figures to be a bit off.

BTW, I was able to tune my lute to G minor - I found a nylon fishing line at a sporting goods store that was just a bit more tensile strength than musical nylon. Nylgut would hold g' for an hour or so and f#' for a few days, musical nylon held the g' for a few days - the fishing line has held it for five years. I haven't tested gut yet, but from the standard figures it should break about a tone and a half below the nylon and Nylgut. I also converted a Bolivian charango to a Scot's mandora (g'' top string). No way, I tune it to d'', although it will take f''. That gives me a d'', g', d',g,d which can work with other instruments.

Again I beg the pardon of the list, most of you know far more than I. I have algebraically recast some of the string calculation formulae, and designed some graphic forms for the data. I am not comfortable with using the several computer programs for string selection as I don't know the underlying assumptions - I do mine on an ancient TI - 35 scientific calculator (and can do them quicker that booting the computer and using a program <g>). I'd be pleased to offer the form of calculation to any who want it. I've set them up so that one can make a single calculation of most of the variable - then use the two relevant ones (whichever they may be) to get the result, using the first calculation as a constant.

Best, Jon



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