As any good luthier will tell you today, hide glue is still superior to
modern glue for several reasons.
--Sterling
Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
Or, As I enjoy assuming, the "old ones" used the best they had, and if
they'd had epoxy glue and nylon strings that's what they'
Hi-
Even with gut strings on say a baroque lute it is still good to damp
the strings, otherwise it sounds messy. Also just for articulation. If
you listen to the top players of today damping basses is very
common. There are different techniques for damping and it soon becomes
triv
Hello...
May be any of you know...Is there any lute event in Italy by nov 25 to
mid december? I'm also interested in medieval or renaissance concerts
even if not totally lute oriented.
(life has this strange things...should have gone there for the Spello
course and couldn't...)
Cantio Sarmatoruthenica XXXVI -
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/339.mp3
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/339.pdf
RT
in a -
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/338.mp3
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/338.pdf
in c -
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/337
I think the most important idea that Chris has brought up here is that
we need to consider the other sounds that musicians would have had in
their heads from the other instruments and music that was part of their
world.
Nancy
My dissatisfaction with gut rests primarily on f
On Aug 30, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote:
> However, from the dimmest corner of my memory bank,
> I think Mersenne (or someone else!) indicated the bass strings should
> have a sustain of 20 or so heartbeats [forgive me if I am getting this
> all wrong!]. How long that might be depe
This discussion would make a lot more sense if posters explained what gut is
being compared to. In some cases, it's overwound strings, and in others, it's
plain nylon.
On Aug 30, 2011, at 5:00 AM, andy butler wrote:
> Are there any players who reckon that damping is essential?
Tympanists, m
in a -
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/338.mp3
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/338.pdf
in c -
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/337.mp3
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/337.pdf
in g -
http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/336.mp3
http://torban.org/sarmato
Well, maybe not epoxy...
In any event, all arguments of what *they* might have done if they'd had
*whatever* on hand are moot if they didn't. Corbetta had no fluorocarbon;
Bach didn't own a Steinway grand; etc. I have no idea what musical tools
may be available five decades into the future, but
David,
My dissatisfaction with gut rests primarily on fact that I find it very
difficult to replicate the style of phrasing that I hear from baroque wind
instruments, bowed string players (with baroque bows) and, above all,
vocalists. Period treatises for these musicians place a great emph
Yes, I very much agree that we need to be careful about making
unfounded assertions which may be mere speculation: for example that
old gut was significantly better (stronger?) than modern gut.
MH
--- On Tue, 30/8/11, Christopher Wilke wrote:
From: Christopher Wilke
S
Relevant to at least some of the conversation at hand, here's a potentially
useful bit:
http://www.neallutes.com/2010/05/so-it-seems-redilling-holes-in-bridge.html
Eugene
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
> Behalf Of David van Oo
Reminds me of the cover to this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Your-Accomplishments-Suspiciously-Hard-Verify/dp/1449401023
Chris
--- On Tue, 8/30/11, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
> From: Martyn Hodgson
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings?
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, "andy butler" , "Roman
> Turovsk
Or, As I enjoy assuming, the "old ones" used the best they had, and if
they'd had epoxy glue and nylon strings that's what they'd have used... :-)
Things can get endlessly circular in these beliefs. I just like how well
the early music is written! The stuff plays itself without a lot of
"int
David van Ooijen wrote:
No such thing as a beginner's question.
Thanks for the expert answer ;-)
(and general thanks to the list for interesting reading over
the last few weeks)
Are there any players who reckon that damping is essential?
andy
To get on or off this list see list informa
I agree totally with you and I will add: I don't want to spend so much money
in fragile and expensive strings to play most of the time only for myself,
and I dont want to spend so many time to tune my instruments, while my
playing time is limited (as I have a daily job outside of music...).
I atte
Well, I've heard this suggested but, apart from the 'loaded' gut
possibilty, I've not seen much hard evidence that modern low twist gut
is significantly different to the earlier atrings.
MH
--- On Tue, 30/8/11, Roman Turovsky wrote:
From: Roman Turovsky
Subject: [LUTE]
I agree that gut strings are very pleasant to play on, but the biggest
contribution to the sound of the instrument comes from the musician. A
great lutenist can draw a much better quality of sound from a poor lute
with nylon strings than a poor lutenist can from a very fine lute
str
There is a great likelihood that "our" gut is rather acoustically different
from "their".
Lets not forget to use the honest modifier "approximation of".
RT
- Original Message -
From: "Martyn Hodgson"
To: ; "andy butler"
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:01 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lon
The superiority of gut is chiefly that it was the material used by the
Old Ones. If we have any pretensions to attempting to reproduce the
sounds these early lutenist composers expected and their auditors
heard, it is necessary to employ the same string materials.
MH
--- On Tue,
I agree with David. However, from the dimmest corner of my memory bank,
I think Mersenne (or someone else!) indicated the bass strings should
have a sustain of 20 or so heartbeats [forgive me if I am getting this
all wrong!]. How long that might be depends on whether you are playing
On 30 August 2011 10:38, David van Ooijen wrote:
> imprefect in many ways.
As is my spelling ...
> >
[On] another level, their imperfectiong
<<
.. and my grammar.
David - doing something else in the mean time, no multi-tasking for me
--
***
David van Ooijen
dav
On 30 August 2011 10:27, andy butler wrote:
> Beginner's questions.
>
> Is the superiority of gut down to the shorter sustain time
> that someone mentioned earlier?
>
> Is string damping really unpopular? (unnecessary?)
No such thing as a beginner's question.
Superiority is not a word I would u
David van Ooijen wrote:
The basses are shortish, so a higher tuning would be better, actually.
If the instrument is tuned to g', gut diapassons are possible (if cost
is an issue use fret gut, it really is so much better than any of the
modern materials), otherwise carbon or metal-wounds seem to
On 29 August 2011 20:07, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
> Plugging and re-drilling a bridge to suit whatever configuration a player
> has need of seems commonplace enough.
Indeed, and in the bridge of a decent enough instrument plugging and
drilling is no problem. (I use what I call a finger drill, b
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