[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?

2013-03-15 Thread howard posner
On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: > There is a constant learning process during the tying of the first 3 frets > which leads to a triumphant sailoresque mastery of knothood. I'm living proof that it leads to no such mastery. -- To get on or off this list see list informatio

[LUTE] Re: anyone who can re-fret a lute: North London/South Midlands?

2013-03-15 Thread Bernd Haegemann
HP> changing frets was an easy task, "but some players will SELL THE INSTRUMENT rather than change the frets. There is a constant learning process during the tying of the first 3 frets which leads to a triumphant sailoresque mastery of knothood. Let's open a beer to celebrate that. At the fift

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Casein glue

2013-03-15 Thread Ed Margerum
Apparently I didn't send the USDA monograph on Alkaline Casein glue. You can access it at http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplrn/fplrn158.pdf Casein is widely used in the manufacture of coated paper as the glue that holds the pigment in the coating. Alkaline is preferred in the paper industry a

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread William Samson
Thanks for all the interesting replies! I came across another interesting use of glue the other day - I bought a very cheap uke (which actually worked pretty well) and decided to take it apart. It was held together with hot-melt glue of the type used in glue guns. It came apart re

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Casein glue

2013-03-15 Thread Ed Margerum
Note that the formula William Samson gives is for acid casein while the formula given by the USDA monograph is for alkaline casein. Alkaline casein is preferred in some uses such as paper coating where acid can contribute to discoloration and deterioration. Edward Margerum At 09:33 +

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Bill, Margaret beat me to it with the detailed quotes from Cennini and Thompson but while I was looking at the Cennini I noticed that his recipe for fish glue says that it was used for lute mending, It sounds from the word "leaf" as if it is isinglass: HOW FISH

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Bill, Casein glue was certainly used extensively in the middle ages by painters to join the boards of their painting panels before preparing with gesso etc. In fact quite a common recorded item in the invoices they submitted to their commissioning patrons was for the cheese needed to make

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread Margaret Munck
Artists use(d) casein glue to glue up panels for painting. The advantage is that it is waterproof so isn't softened by the gessoing process. Casein Glue for Joining If it is necessary to glue up a panel, the best thing to use is the cheese and lime glue which Cennino descri

[LUTE] Re: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute.html Offline?

2013-03-15 Thread wayne cripps
Hi Josh - I am having trouble with that computer, and I probably will be replacing it soon, but my other duties have kept me from getting to it today, and it might not get fixed till early next week. If you are interested in tablature, you will find it at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Bill, Many years ago, before I knew better, I made my first instrument with a propriety wood glue 'Cascamite' which I thought at the time was a cassein type adhesive (the similarity in the name). And it was certainly strong, gap filling (benefit for a novice!) and took plenty

[LUTE-BUILDER] Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread William Samson
Hi, An idle question here - I saw on TV how to make casein glue - using skimmed milk, bicarb and vinegar. Apparently it's been around since ancient Egyptian times. http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_8474158_make-casein-glue.html Do you know of any uses it might have had in instrument maki