[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Dante Rosati
i dont see anyone arguing against ET. the point is simple: the CD is called "the well tempered lute" (an obvious reference to the "well tempered clavier"), but, unlike Bach's cycle, which was actually meant to be played in a "well temperament" (which is not equal temperament), the

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Christopher Wilke
"Well-tempered" is a non-specific term. It's been applied to tuning systems proposed by a number of theorists including Werckmeister, Neidhardt, Kirnbertger, Valotti, etc. There is no scholarly consensus about which one of these - if any - Bach may have intended in "Das

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
Lute was an early vehicle of EQUAL temperament. and that is the scholarly consensus. RT On 1/30/2016 8:53 PM, Dante Rosati wrote: HI Zak - does the Galelei book talk about tuning? As you know, there were various methods of placing the frets back then, none of which were exactly

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
Early history One of the earliest discussions of equal temperament occurs in the writing of [1]Aristoxenus in the 4th century BC. [2]Vincenzo Galilei (father of [3]Galileo Galilei) was one of the first practical advocates of twelve-tone equal temperament. He composed a set of

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Omer Katzir
Hi Zak, Finally people paying attention to Galelei family again, I'm looking forward to hear the CD. Do you know if it's going to be possible to buy it at Amazon? On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 7:20 PM, zak ozmo <[1]z_o...@hotmail.com> wrote: Dear Dante, Thank you

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Dante Rosati
[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_temperament On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Roman Turovsky <[2]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: Early history One of the earliest discussions of equal temperament occurs in the writing of [1]Aristoxenus in the 4th century

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
beh, dipende sul masochismo acustico individuale!))) RT On 1/31/2016 12:10 PM, Dante Rosati wrote: in which case calling it "well tempered" is particularly inappropriate. notice that the 18:17 fret placing method is only approximately equal. On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 12:11 PM,

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Dante Rosati
in which case calling it "well tempered" is particularly inappropriate. notice that the 18:17 fret placing method is only approximately equal. On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Roman Turovsky <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: Early history One of the earliest discussions of equal

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
Exactly. Well said. RT On 1/31/2016 2:57 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote: "Well-tempered" is a non-specific term. It's been applied to tuning systems proposed by a number of theorists including Werckmeister, Neidhardt, Kirnbertger, Valotti, etc. There is no scholarly consensus

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Dante Rosati
"something like" equal temperament. If you look at fret placing instructions in Bermudo, etc, there is nothing that gives exact equal temperament. There is also the use of tastini to take into account. But yes, the convergence on equal temperament that became universal a few hundred

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
uffa Reminds me of an old armenian joke, about a guy who was selling a weird purple horse. Asked how come it is that way, he said: "It is mine, and I paint it whatever color I want." You may tune your axe whichever way pleases you, if the end-result justifies it. I'm certain

[LUTE] Re: Vincenzo Galilei and The Well-Tempered Lute

2016-01-31 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Not to forget Bach's own tuning: http://www.larips.com Regards Stephan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Christopher Wilke Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Januar 2016 20:58 An: Dante Rosati; Roman Turovsky Cc: Lute Net