Gosh Rob
I'm sorry, but I don't remember saying anything about you at all.
Joseph
On 12/12/07 10:17 AM, "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Very clever, Joseph, but I never once said that 'Weiss hints that he used
> nails'. I see no evidence for that in Weiss' or my own comments.
>
> This o
Very clever, Joseph, but I never once said that 'Weiss hints that he used
nails'. I see no evidence for that in Weiss' or my own comments.
This one could run and run...I'm off to practice my new 11c...
Rob
=
I think this might be a case of "front-end loading." That is: looking at
data
enjoyed playing the lute so much.
>>
>> You can use nails even on a baroque lute. To name just one player who
>> keeps long nails because his main business is continuo playing in
>> ensembles and orchestras but who nevertheless made very good solo
>> recordings (
assume you will agree that we'll never know.
> and I maintain that the comments he made are inconclusive.
Yes, agreed.
Mathias
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mathias Rösel" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12 December 2007 11:57
> To: 'lute list
t; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 December 2007 11:57
To: 'lute list'
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
"Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Mathias, I don't think we can definitely conclude from his statement
no, of course, not def.
> that
&g
solo
recordings (Kellner, Saint Luc, Golden Age etc) is Stephen Stubbs.
--
Mathias
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mathias Rösel" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12 December 2007 11:09
> To: Martyn Hodgson
> Cc: LGS-Europe; lute list
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swannec
07 11:09
To: Martyn Hodgson
Cc: LGS-Europe; lute list
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
"Martyn Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Weiss does mention that playing with nails is acceptable on the theorbo
but not on the lute (I don't have the exact quote to hand
"Martyn Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Weiss does mention that playing with nails is acceptable on the theorbo but
> not on the lute (I don't have the exact quote to hand)
In his letter to Mattheson he said that the theorbo yielded a somewhat
rude sound as it was ordinairement (usually,
gt;
>Rob
>
>www.rmguitar.info
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 11 December 2007 10:09
>To: lutelist
>Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
>
>Every classical guitarist I know carries a small swatch of sandpape
no calluses. I must pluck very lightly...
Rob
www.rmguitar.info
-Original Message-
From: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 December 2007 10:09
To: lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
Every classical guitarist I know carries a small swatch of sandpape
Weiss does mention that playing with nails is acceptable on the theorbo but not
on the lute (I don't have the exact quote to hand)
MH
LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Perhaps OT on the lute-list either way, but I mentioned Sor and Giuliani,
>> not baroque guitar music. Neither did
Perhaps OT on the lute-list either way, but I mentioned Sor and Giuliani,
not baroque guitar music. Neither did I write one cannot play one kind of
music with or without nails, just that you may notice the differences.
Well it's simply because of your pre-conditioned approach to their music.
You
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From: "LGS-Europe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
Perhaps OT on the lute-list either way, but I mentioned Sor and Giuliani,
not baroque guitar music. Neither did I
uot;Gregory Doc Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lutelist"
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:46 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
> I've been playing without nails for at least 30 years, and I play
> only metal-strung instruments. I have light calluse
soft and smooth. Sandpaper?! Must be my blue
blood -
never done a day's work in my life.
HRH Rob
www.rmguitar.info
-Original Message-
From: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 December 2007 09:29
To: lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
I play guit
at least for me.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'gary digman'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'lutelist'"
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:45 AM
Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
> C
Go for a lesson with Nigel North. The first thing that happened when
he didn't like my sound was to grab my right hand, check the finger
tips, and start sanding! He comes equipped, no doubt expecting more
of us to be blue collar lutenists than blue blood. Thank God he
doesn't travel with a powe
om: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 10 December 2007 09:29
> To: lutelist
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
>
> I play guitar (modern and baroque) without nails. It's true that some
> techniques such as tremolo become much more diffcult witho
uitar.info
-Original Message-
From: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 December 2007 09:29
To: lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
I play guitar (modern and baroque) without nails. It's true that some
techniques such as tremolo become much more diffcult withou
>
To: "lute list"
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:43 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
> On Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:06 PM LGS-Europe<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> ..
> > Nails/no nails have a similar effect on compositions; guitar players may
>
Jaroslaw
Le 9 déc. 07 à 19:08, Jarosław Lipski a écrit :
Anthony,
No, no, obviously this is not a disagreement. I never said I like
plastic or that it doesn't matter what strings we use. It's just
that I have
a little bit an adventurous spirit and I take nothing for granted.
Le 9 déc. 07 à 17:19, LGS-Europe a écrit :
I wrote:
Back to lute music: Anthony stated that he feels closer to a gut
player/composer who wrote his music on his gut-strung lute, if I
may be so free as to summarize his undoubtedly lengthy arguments so
boldy. I sympathise with that feel
Anthony,
No, no, obviously this is not a disagreement. I never said I like
plastic or that it doesn't matter what strings we use. It's just that I have
a little bit an adventurous spirit and I take nothing for granted. I have to
be convinced by experience. So in this case the only thing I d
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From: "howard posner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lute Net"
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
When I met Toyohiko in 1982, he was using nylon trebles that he
twisted (with a small manua
- Original Message -
From: "LGS-Europe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
Perhaps OT on the lute-list either way, but I mentioned Sor and Giuliani,
not baroque guitar music.
OK, you can
From: "Anthony Hind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Why should you? That was not my point at all. If you are composing
on any instrument, you are probably experimenting with the sounds you
can obtain with that instrument, as it is at the present moment.
Certainly not.
You might want to search for a differ
When I met Toyohiko in 1982, he was using nylon trebles that he
twisted (with a small manual drill) to increase their density and
make them more like gut. I tried it for a while; more trouble than
it was worth.
On Dec 9, 2007, at 7:06 AM, LGS-Europe wrote:
> I once asked Toyohiko Satoh abo
On Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:06 PM LGS-Europe<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
..
Nails/no nails have a similar effect on compositions; guitar players may
notice differences between Giuliani and Sor resulting from their use/no
use of nails. (Hmm, authentic Lobos on gut. ;-) )
It'll take one good
Thank you David, in my last message to Roman, I was quoting from
memory, what you had quoted to me from memory from Toyohiko Satoh. My
memory being not quite what it was,
I am pleased that the gist seems to be about right.
Regards
Anthony
Le 9 déc. 07 à 16:06, LGS-Europe a écrit :
Anthony
Roman
Why should you? That was not my point at all. If you are composing
on any instrument, you are probably experimenting with the sounds you
can obtain with that instrument, as it is at the present moment.
You might want to search for a different tonal presentation and
change your strings
Jaroslav
Sorry for clipping your name, in my last message, just a few other
words.
But most of us know
what the real piano is, so we either love it or hate it. The
problem with
the lute is that we are not quite sure what it really was in past.
Then we
are left with two possibilities: 1/ ei
From: "Anthony Hind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I did make a distinction between performer/composers, who compose ON the
instrument (seeking out its potential); for these, i feel, authenticity in
stringing is particularly important);
Is that a gut feeling of yours?
Having spent the last 20 years on
aroslaw
I don't think we are in complete disagreement, perhaps not in
disagreement at all, although our individual taste for a type of
music might be slightly different. I can't answer all the points you
make, although I would like to.
I did make a distinction between performer/composers,
Anthony,
When we think about authenticity we have to ask ourselves what is the reason
we want to be authentic. I can not say for anybody else, but for me the
reason is quite simple. If one day I decide to study piano after hearing
fantastic performance on this instrument I will probably trust my
am not talking about the synthetic
strings.
Copper wound on any natural core (silk or gut) is 100% natural too.
The only problem could be the unwanted resonance, but this I
believe can be
overcome with the proper playing technique.
Regards
Jaroslaw
-Original Message-----
From: Anthony
Le 6 déc. 07 à 21:22, Daniel Winheld a écrit :
Anthony, I read Mimmo's text carefully twice; (halfheimers, the
brain glass is still half full) so I remember the different nuances
of the different string specs & applications- no false impressions
created.
Dan, I am sure many people did, but
I just remembered that this should have been addressed to Baroque
lute, sorry about that
AH
Le 2 dec. 07 =E0 18:29, Daniel Winheld a ecrit :
Looking forward to these strings. Thanks for the report. Dan
Dan
Following my message to you about loaded strings in the context of
the problem
Le 2 dec. 07 =E0 18:29, Daniel Winheld a ecrit :
> Looking forward to these strings. Thanks for the report. Dan
Dan
Following my message to you about loaded strings in the context of
the problem of controlling the resonance of the basses on 13c swan-
necks, it suddenly dawned on me t
Nigel
According to Mimmo Peruffo, his new loaded strings would be more
stable to temperature and humidity influences even than synthetics.
I imagine this could be due to the loading by a sort of tanning
process. Perhaps the oxide? covering protects the string.
A lutist neighbour of mine had
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