[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-15 Thread Shaun Ng
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:29, R. Mattes wrote: On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:26:19 +0200, Benjamin Narvey wrote > Both. Whike French theorboes tended to be single strung, Taken from Robert Spencer's article: "He [Mersenne] added the correction that his engraving of a tuorbe (Fig.

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Martyn Hodgson
instruments - but so did the Italians and others! MH __ From: R. Mattes To: Benjamin Narvey Cc: Andreas Schlegel ; lute list Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2014, 22:29 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread howard posner
On Aug 14, 2014, at 2:29 PM, R. Mattes wrote: > Poor Castaldi - according to his own engravings he played an instrument > that, according to modern folklore, was a typical french theorbo (rather > small, single strung with a roundish/deep body). Unless it’s the tiorbino. To get on or off thi

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Alain Veylit
This is not De Visee -- of whom there are no known portraits. It is thought to be sometimes Denis Gautier but even that is far from ascertained. Alain On 08/14/2014 02:29 PM, R. Mattes wrote: On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:26:19 +0200, Benjamin Narvey wrote Both. Whike French theorboes tended to be s

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Bruno Figueiredo
Let's think the other way around. What data would you have that contradicts the size and double stringing of the surviving instruments? Is an engraving by Castaldi more important than the surviving instruments and all the iconography? What justifies the theorbo's double reentrant tun

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread R. Mattes
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:26:19 +0200, Benjamin Narvey wrote > Both. Whike French theorboes tended to be single strung, This sounds as if we can make sound statements about the the types of instruments used in France. How large is our sample compared to the population? (Read: how many surviving instr

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Benjamin Narvey
Both. Whike French theorboes tended to be single strung, only the largest Italian ones (stopped string length near 100 cm) were single; the vast majority of Italian theorboes (and the ones corresponding to the sizes we tend to play, 80 cm and up) almost always double. This can be seen in both su

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread R. Mattes
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:39:55 +0200, BENJAMIN NARVEY wrote > Dear Luters, > >I notice that almost everyone keeps the seventh course of their Italian >theorboes as a stopped string on the first pegbox, mind all the sources >I know point to having only 6 on the stopped strings, and 8 diapa

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread R. Mattes
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:00:24 +0200, Benjamin Narvey wrote > Of course! I meant courses, not strings. Single stringing is > mainly a modern phenomenon... Where did you get this idea from? Is this statement based on _historic_ evidence or on surviving instruments? Cheers, Ralf Mattes To get o

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Richard Simões
A moderately-sized 7x2/7x1 theorbo by Christofolo Choc exists at theA Musikinstrumenten in Berlin. I'm not sure of others; the 7/7 arrangement is overwhelmingly found on attiorbati. The widespread contemporary usage on theorboes seems mostly due in its great convenience, with modern

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Andreas Schlegel
And 6x2 in the petit jeu, normally... Andreas Am 14.08.2014 um 18:39 schrieb BENJAMIN NARVEY : > Dear Luters, > > I notice that almost everyone keeps the seventh course of their Italian > theorboes as a stopped string on the first pegbox, mind all the sources > I know point to having onl

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread Benjamin Narvey
Of course! I meant courses, not strings. Single stringing is mainly a modern phenomenon... Sent from my iPad On 14 Aug 2014, at 18:56, Andreas Schlegel <[1]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch> wrote: And 6x2 in the petit jeu, normally... Andreas Am 14.08.2014 um 18:39 schrieb BENJA