[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

2018-05-13 Thread stephan.olbertz
An: Lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Missing link? I don't understand how the practical side of lute temperaments would depent on calculating anything. You can just set a fourth fret you like and set all other frets by ear via unisons and octaves. No need to

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

2018-05-13 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Sonntag, 13. Mai 2018 20:43 CEST, Ron Andrico schrieb: >Ralf and Rainer, I believe you are in agreement. Octaves, fourths and >fifths are pure and other intervals are an approximation. No, that's not what I (or Rainer) said. And it's wrong: Octaves are alway pure in all (wester

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

2018-05-13 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Sonntag, 13. Mai 2018 19:33 CEST, Rainer schrieb: > I am sorry, this is simply wrong. > I have done the necessary calculations many years ago. > > If you assume that all unisons and all octaves are pure you have one chance > only: Equal temperament. > Believe me, Discussing mathematical

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

2018-05-13 Thread Rainer
On 13.05.2018 19:18, Martin Shepherd wrote: Given the tone of the debate so far, I didn't want to get mixed up in it (I still don't), I absolutely agree. This discussion is not very far from a flame war... but I have to say that in any conceivable temperament the unisons and octaves will be

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

2018-05-13 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Sonntag, 13. Mai 2018 19:18 CEST, Martin Shepherd schrieb: > Given the tone of the debate so far, I didn't want to get mixed up in it > (I still don't), but I have to say that in any conceivable temperament > the unisons and octaves will be pure. ;-) I was just about to write the sam

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

2018-05-13 Thread r . turovsky
Not always! Take a look at TSatoh videos on YouTube!))) Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2018, at 1:18 PM, Martin Shepherd wrote: > > Given the tone of the debate so far, I didn't want to get mixed up in it (I > still don't), but I have to say that in any conceivable temperament the > unisons

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

2018-05-13 Thread Martin Shepherd
Given the tone of the debate so far, I didn't want to get mixed up in it (I still don't), but I have to say that in any conceivable temperament the unisons and octaves will be pure. M On 13/05/2018 19:11, Rainer wrote: On 13.05.2018 17:03, stephan.olbertz wrote:     I don't understand how th

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

2018-05-13 Thread Rainer
On 13.05.2018 17:03, stephan.olbertz wrote: I don't understand how the practical side of lute temperaments would depent on calculating anything. You can just set a fourth fret you like and set all other frets by ear via unisons and octaves. No need to count beats either. You can

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

2018-05-13 Thread stephan.olbertz
alaxy Smartphone gesendet. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Ron Andrico Datum: 13.05.18 16:39 (GMT+01:00) An: Lutelist Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Missing link? Things are a bit weird with the formatting of this thread. Without links, the reference to Otterst

[LUTE] Re: Missing link?

2018-05-13 Thread David van Ooijen
Food for thought, thank you for those quotes. I always explain MT to my pupils with a piece of paper and a pencil, then let them use their ears to position their frets, and finally explain about easy way out with the computer/tuner options. Out there with keyboard players I rely on a

[LUTE] Re: Missing link? Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES

2018-05-13 Thread Rainer
The mail demon cannot handle html mails properly! Rainer On 13.05.2018 16:11, Martyn Hodgson wrote: --=_Part_1167774_1215771206.1526220706425 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The link to Otterstedt's important review which I put at the end

[LUTE] Re: missing link

2006-03-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
"Ouds" all had frets originally, but lost them later. So your "crucial thing" is far from crucial. RT - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:35 AM Subject

[LUTE] Re: missing link

2006-03-08 Thread JCetra
Dear All: If the instrument will have frets, I would call it a lute. If not, it's still al ud. the frets, I think, are the crucial thing. Fretted Middle Eastern instruments do exist, of course, but with a completely different fretting system. Cheers, Jim -- To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: missing link

2006-03-08 Thread bill kilpatrick
how about "ud'luth" ... a dyslectic lute player from minnesota? thanks for the images - bill early music charango ... http://groups.google.com/group/charango ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed th

[LUTE] Re: missing link

2006-03-07 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 01:46 PM 3/7/2006, bill kilpatrick wrote: >some years ago my wife bought me an absolute dud of an >oud for xmas. i've done disfiguring and not >altogether regrettable things to it in the interim but >the warped neck finally drove me to my local liutaio - >who will, he says, fix the buzz and mak