Anthony: The Lautenweltadressbuch ( http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/associated/index.html#lautenweltadressbu ch ) shows three historical lutes at Dean Castle Museum in Killarnock and eight at Edinburgh University. The ones at Dean Castle are all made of ivory, so it seems they had first pick of the van Raalte collection. I found one instrument pictured on each website: http://www.futuremuseum.co.uk/images/cache/Img285S1000.jpg http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/ucj/ucjtb.html
Regards, Daniel Heiman On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:02:41 +0200 Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The message from Kenneth Sparr (below) about the mystery lady with > the Copenhagen Jauch lute, brought to mind two mystery lutes that I > > had read about in a book on the history of Brownsea Island. > > I used to live in Poole, UK, near this island, and I seem to > recall > reading that two lutes from a musical instrument collection there, > > had been sold, a number of years before, for Pounds 5 each. I had > thought, > how cheap that was, and wished I had been around then with 5 "quid" > > in my pocket. Even if, Pounds 5 at the time (1927?) would have been > worth a > good deal more than now.* > > (*e.g. . Cheddar, cheese cost in average 17 pence per kilogram in > 1923 and 490 pence in 1998, thus one lute would have cost roughly 70 > > Kilos of Cheddar, or about Pounds 150 to Pounds 200 in today's > money, which still > seems very cheap by any standard; although I am very partial to a > true unpasteurised muslin-covered Cheddar). > > Of course had I been fortunate enough to have bought them, I > wouldn't be here talking about them today ... > > I remember that there was a photo showing the lutes in a case (or > > on a wall) of what looked like the Brownsea "castle" library. > > However, I made a search this morning, and discovered that there had > > been a very important collection of musical instruments on Brownsea, > > known as the Charles van Raalte collection. I dare say, you all knew > > about that; but although I have often wondered about those lutes, I > > never thought I could find anything out about them, or the Brownsea > > collection, till today. > > The first indication given at http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/ > cimcim/id/idtuk.html, > > states that the instruments are mostly now in Edinburgh University > > Collection of Historic Musical Instruments > http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/ > euchmi/, or at Dean Castle museum. http://www.futuremuseum.co.uk/ > Default.aspx?Id=172 > > > "A number of important instruments were purchased from the van > Raalte Collection, Brownsea Island probably in 1927, as well as on > > the Continent. (For the remainder of the van Raalte Collection, see > > Kilmarnock, Scotland, Dean Castle.)" > > > http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/cimcim/id/idtuk.html > > At Cecilia-uk, the collection (I think, the part in Edinburgh) is > described as follows: =AB It included "plucked strings (e.g lutes, > > theorbo, chittara, mandora, guitar, mandola, cittern, harp, > dulcimer, > lyra); bowed strings including members of the viol and violin > families; wind instruments including ivory recorders and flutes, > flageolet, cornett, serpent; keyboards including ottavini, > virginals, > clavichord, spinet, harpsichord, positiv and portative organs; > percussion instruments including 2 Ugandan conical drums." > > http://www.cecilia-uk.org/html/search/verb/GetRecord/1173 > > The Dean Castle museum > http://www.futuremuseum.co.uk/Default.aspx? > Id=172, describes their part of that collection as follows: "For > certain types of instruments this is one of the most important > collections in the world. This applies to the instruments of the > lute > family, some of which are very old, particularly fine and well > preserved. These date from as early as 1570, several being products > > of famous instrument makers of their time. The tops are made of > maple > wood; the backs are usually wholly or partly of ivory. Ivory is also > > used in the elaborate decoration found on several instruments." You > > can see some of the instruments at that web address. > > How the instruments came into the possession of the Dean Castle > museum, is explained, thus : > > =AB The musical instruments on display at Dean Castle were > collected, > at the end of the 19th Century by Charles van Raalte of Brownsea, > Dorset. His daughter, Margherita, married the 8th Lord Howard de > Walden*, (*restorer of the castle, surporter of orchestras, but > collector of fine arms and armour) and although several of her > father's instruments were sold after his death, she brought many of > > the most historically important examples to Dean Castle. >> > > At first sight this seems to contradict the details about the > Edinburgh University collection, which was possibly acquired in 1927 > > (see above). > > The telegraph states =AB in 1908, van Raalte had died but his wife > > Florence kept the island going until 1925 when she died and the > island was sold by auction in 1927..." > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/ > > travel/2007/07/28/et-brownsea-island-128.xml > > Thus some instruments could have been privately sold just after von > > Raalte's death in 1908, but Van Raalte's daughter would have taken > > the best part, to Dean Castle, some time between 1908 and 1925. The > > remainder were possibly, sold at auction to Edinburgh University > Museum in1927. > > So where did those two lutes sold for Pounds 5 each go? Perhaps > they were > either sold off privately, just after van Raalte's death, or were > sold to Edinburgh Univeristy in 1927. They should not be in the Dean > > Castle museum, as these are supposed to have been taken by > Margherita > herself to Dean Castle. > > Also, which museum has the best part of this collection? They both, > > not surprisingly, seem to lay claim to this happy situation. > > Did van Raalte (who is described a s a Dutch immigrant) > bring some > of this collection with him from Holland? Was he a musician, or > musically inclined? Perhaps, some one in the list knows that. I can > > only find descriptions of him hunting and playing golf, enjoying the > > outdoor life (and being a good friend to Baden Powell). Would this > > just have been a museum of musical curios? There seem to be books on > > local geology by him and on flowers by his daughter, but no evidence > > that I can find (on the web) of musical activities. > > Following the demise of this instrument collection, the island > fell > into the hands of a Mrs Mary Bonham Christie, a lady known locally > > as, "the Demon of Brownsea", who expelled the island's inhabitants, > > more effectively than did the Irish potato famine in Ireland, or the > > sheep in Scotland. > > The island then went into a state of "natural" ruin. I well > remember the circling herons, when I used to land there as a > trespassing lad, until I would be chased off by her menacing guards > > with their dogs. The National Trust now owns this island, but none > of > the lutes, to the best of my knowledge. > > Regards > > Anthony > > PS I am absent for ten days, so if anyone can shed any fruther light > > on this, I will be receiving it tomorrow, or in ten days time. > > > > [LUTE] Re: A question > > Date : 2 septembre 2007 17:31:31 HAEC > > > > Right. Who is the actress, then? > > > > Arne Keller. > > > > Right. Who is the actress, then? > > > > Arne Keller. > > >> Le 2 sept. 07 =E0 15:14, Roman Turovsky a ecrit : > >> The lute on the postcard _IS_ the Copenhagen Jauch. > >> RT > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Kenneth Sparr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "Lutenet (Lutenet)" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:08 AM > >> Subject: [LUTE] A question > > > > > >>> I have recently come across a photographic postcard, probaly > >>> dating from > >>> the > >>> early 20th century showing a young lady holding a theorboed > lute, > >>> similar > >>> to > >>> lutes made by Jauch. The photo is not very detailed and the lute > > >>> could of > >>> course be a a 20th century reproduction, but it has the > >>> appearance of > >>> being > >>> an old lute. If anyone could shed any light on this I would be > most > >>> grateful. > >>> > >>> The picture of the lute can be found at > >>> > >>> http://www.tabulatura.com/fototeorb585.jpg > >>> > >>> Best wishes > >>> > >>> Kenneth Sparr > >>> > >>> Stromstigen 25 > >>> > >>> S-149 51 Nynashamn > >>> > >>> SWEDEN > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Telephone: +46-852015561 > >>> > >>> www.tabulatura.com > >>> > >>> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > -- > >
