[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-12 Thread Joseph Mayes
Gosh Rob I'm sorry, but I don't remember saying anything about you at all. Joseph On 12/12/07 10:17 AM, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very clever, Joseph, but I never once said that 'Weiss hints that he used nails'. I see no evidence for that in Weiss' or my own comments. This one

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-11 Thread gary digman
. Gary - Original Message - From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'gary digman' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'lutelist' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:45 AM Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings Calluses? Sandpaper? Mimic nails? Is that a common experience? I must

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-11 Thread Gregory Doc Rossi
: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings Calluses? Sandpaper? Mimic nails? Is that a common experience? I must say, Gary, that I've been playing without nails for almost 20 years, and my finger tips are very soft and smooth. Sandpaper?! Must be my blue blood - never done a day's work in my

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-11 Thread gary digman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings I've been playing without nails for at least 30 years, and I play only metal-strung instruments. I have light calluses on my right hand, nothing like those

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-11 Thread Alexander Batov
- Original Message - From: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings Perhaps OT on the lute-list either way, but I mentioned Sor and Giuliani, not baroque guitar music. Neither did I

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-11 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Weiss does mention that playing with nails is acceptable on the theorbo but not on the lute (I don't have the exact quote to hand) MH LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps OT on the lute-list either way, but I mentioned Sor and Giuliani, not baroque guitar music. Neither did I

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-11 Thread Rob
must pluck very lightly... Rob www.rmguitar.info -Original Message- From: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 December 2007 10:09 To: lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings Every classical guitarist I know carries a small swatch of sandpaper in his of her

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-10 Thread gary digman
@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings On Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:06 PM LGS-Europe[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. Nails/no nails have a similar effect on compositions; guitar players may notice differences between Giuliani and Sor

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-10 Thread Rob
-Original Message- From: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2007 09:29 To: lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings I play guitar (modern and baroque) without nails. It's true that some techniques such as tremolo become much more diffcult without nails, but my

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-10 Thread Mathias Rösel
To: lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings I play guitar (modern and baroque) without nails. It's true that some techniques such as tremolo become much more diffcult without nails, but my tremolo was never my strong suit anyway. I just got tired of constantly messing with nails, trying

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-10 Thread Daniel Winheld
Go for a lesson with Nigel North. The first thing that happened when he didn't like my sound was to grab my right hand, check the finger tips, and start sanding! He comes equipped, no doubt expecting more of us to be blue collar lutenists than blue blood. Thank God he doesn't travel with a

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Anthony Hind
aroslaw I don't think we are in complete disagreement, perhaps not in disagreement at all, although our individual taste for a type of music might be slightly different. I can't answer all the points you make, although I would like to. I did make a distinction between

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did make a distinction between performer/composers, who compose ON the instrument (seeking out its potential); for these, i feel, authenticity in stringing is particularly important); Is that a gut feeling of yours? Having spent the last 20 years on

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Anthony Hind
Jaroslav Sorry for clipping your name, in my last message, just a few other words. But most of us know what the real piano is, so we either love it or hate it. The problem with the lute is that we are not quite sure what it really was in past. Then we are left with two possibilities: 1/

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Anthony Hind
Roman Why should you? That was not my point at all. If you are composing on any instrument, you are probably experimenting with the sounds you can obtain with that instrument, as it is at the present moment. You might want to search for a different tonal presentation and change your

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Anthony Hind
Thank you David, in my last message to Roman, I was quoting from memory, what you had quoted to me from memory from Toyohiko Satoh. My memory being not quite what it was, I am pleased that the gist seems to be about right. Regards Anthony Le 9 déc. 07 à 16:06, LGS-Europe a écrit :

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Alexander Batov
On Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:06 PM LGS-Europe[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. Nails/no nails have a similar effect on compositions; guitar players may notice differences between Giuliani and Sor resulting from their use/no use of nails. (Hmm, authentic Lobos on gut. ;-) ) It'll take one good

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread howard posner
When I met Toyohiko in 1982, he was using nylon trebles that he twisted (with a small manual drill) to increase their density and make them more like gut. I tried it for a while; more trouble than it was worth. On Dec 9, 2007, at 7:06 AM, LGS-Europe wrote: I once asked Toyohiko Satoh

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why should you? That was not my point at all. If you are composing on any instrument, you are probably experimenting with the sounds you can obtain with that instrument, as it is at the present moment. Certainly not. You might want to search for a different

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Alexander Batov
- Original Message - From: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings Perhaps OT on the lute-list either way, but I mentioned Sor and Giuliani, not baroque guitar music. OK, you can

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Alexander Batov
- Original Message - From: howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings When I met Toyohiko in 1982, he was using nylon trebles that he twisted (with a small manual drill

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Anthony, No, no, obviously this is not a disagreement. I never said I like plastic or that it doesn't matter what strings we use. It's just that I have a little bit an adventurous spirit and I take nothing for granted. I have to be convinced by experience. So in this case the only thing I

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Anthony Hind
Le 9 déc. 07 à 17:19, LGS-Europe a écrit : I wrote: Back to lute music: Anthony stated that he feels closer to a gut player/composer who wrote his music on his gut-strung lute, if I may be so free as to summarize his undoubtedly lengthy arguments so boldy. I sympathise with that

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-09 Thread Anthony Hind
Jaroslaw Le 9 déc. 07 à 19:08, Jarosław Lipski a écrit : Anthony, No, no, obviously this is not a disagreement. I never said I like plastic or that it doesn't matter what strings we use. It's just that I have a little bit an adventurous spirit and I take nothing for granted.

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-08 Thread Anthony Hind
, but this I believe can be overcome with the proper playing technique. Regards Jaroslaw -Original Message- From: Anthony Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Rép : [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings I

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-08 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Anthony, When we think about authenticity we have to ask ourselves what is the reason we want to be authentic. I can not say for anybody else, but for me the reason is quite simple. If one day I decide to study piano after hearing fantastic performance on this instrument I will probably trust

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-07 Thread Jarosław Lipski
, December 06, 2007 1:04 PM To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Rép : [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings I just remembered that this should have been addressed to Baroque lute, sorry about that AH Le 2 dec. 07 =E0 18:29, Daniel Winheld a ecrit : Looking forward

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-07 Thread Anthony Hind
Le 6 déc. 07 à 21:22, Daniel Winheld a écrit : Anthony, I read Mimmo's text carefully twice; (halfheimers, the brain glass is still half full) so I remember the different nuances of the different string specs applications- no false impressions created. Dan, I am sure many people did, but

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-06 Thread Anthony Hind
Le 2 dec. 07 =E0 18:29, Daniel Winheld a ecrit : Looking forward to these strings. Thanks for the report. Dan Dan Following my message to you about loaded strings in the context of the problem of controlling the resonance of the basses on 13c swan- necks, it suddenly dawned on me

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Rép : [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-06 Thread Anthony Hind
I just remembered that this should have been addressed to Baroque lute, sorry about that AH Le 2 dec. 07 =E0 18:29, Daniel Winheld a ecrit : Looking forward to these strings. Thanks for the report. Dan Dan Following my message to you about loaded strings in the context of the

[LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings

2007-12-02 Thread Anthony Hind
Nigel According to Mimmo Peruffo, his new loaded strings would be more stable to temperature and humidity influences even than synthetics. I imagine this could be due to the loading by a sort of tanning process. Perhaps the oxide? covering protects the string. A lutist neighbour of mine