To: Roland Hayes rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org; Martin Shepherd
mar...@luteshop.co.uk; 'Lute List' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015, 21:11
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
Hahahaha ! Good shot Roland ;-) !
Jean-Marie, a Brossard's and Campion's (+ a few others') countryman
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
Not sure what this comment means.
Perhaps it refers to Castaldi having apparently used single strings on his
theorbo, as did some 17th century (and most modern) players. Hardly a
justification for using all single strings on any other kind
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Martin Shepherd
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:25 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
Not sure what this comment means.
Perhaps it refers to Castaldi having apparently used single strings on his
theorbo
strung) outliers as well? Maybe just by being French. r
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Martin Shepherd
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 5:25 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
Not sure what this comment
From: [5]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
..and Castaldi's illustration is phoney? r
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From: [6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Ron Andrico
Sent: Tuesday, June
a single
strung lute.
regards,
Martyn
From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
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Sent: Tuesday, 16 June 2015, 22:12
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
On Jun 16, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Roland Hayes
[1]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org wrote
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[4][3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: [5][4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
..and Castaldi's illustration is phoney? r
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Looks more like an archlute to me, including double courses on the petit jeu
and single basses...
Jean-Marie
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Here's a nice picture:
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
Looks more like an archlute to me, including double courses on the
petit jeu and single basses...
Jean-Marie
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Here's a nice picture:
[1]http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/paintings/neapolitan-school-17th
-century-portrait-of-a-5916349
] Re: Tiorba
Looks more like an archlute to me, including double courses on the
petit jeu and single basses...
Jean-Marie
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Here's a nice picture:
[1]http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/paintings/neapolitan-school-17th
-century-portrait-of-a-5916349-details.aspx
aIs there another bridge behind the actual bridge? There is a piece of
something that looks like a bridge.a
2015-06-16 8:19 GMT-03:00 Andreas Schlegel [1]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch:
Here's a nice picture:
[2]http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/paintings/neapolitan-school-17
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Interesting.. could it be a second bridge to attach the Diapasons?
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Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
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2015-06-16 10:10 GMT-04:00 Bruno
Andreas,
Thanks for pointing this out.
Very interesting. While it is mostly obscured by the player's ornate
cuff, the diapasons appear to be on their own bridge, making them even
longer than typical basses. They are also separated from the petit jeu
by a little distance and
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Maybe a wrong bridge? Or the string length was shortened...
2015-06-16 11:19 GMT-03:00 Bruno Cognyl-Fournier fournier...@gmail.com:
Interesting.. could it be a second bridge to
Agreed Martin, although I fully appreciate your careful use of normally
regarding double basses on the arciliuto ;-) !
I nevertheless have some doubts about the concept of normality applied to
17th century instrument making... Je doute donc je suis (René Descartes) :-)
!!!
Best wishes,
One feature which might point us in the direction of an archlute is that
we can only see 11 pegs on the petit jeu, implying a single top string -
but of course as this is right at the edge of the painting it could be
just a choice the painter made. When I say archlute of course I mean
a large
Well, I really meant normally because we have loads or surviving liuti
attiorbati which are strung 7x2+7x2 therefore in terms of historical
evidence I take it to be normal.
I agree there were many variations in the 17th century but that is no
excuse for anyone to claim that we can just do
Fine with me !
JM
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Well, I really meant normally because we have loads or surviving liuti
attiorbati which are strung 7x2+7x2 therefore in terms of historical
evidence I take it to be normal.
I agree there were many variations in the 17th century but that is no
excuse for
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
Ron Andrico
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 3:29 PM
To: mar...@luteshop.co.uk; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
Thank you for this, Martin.nb= sp; The un-historical continuo
instrument has become the norm with the ma= ny faux baroque orchestras
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
..and Castaldi's illustration is phoney? r
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Ron Andrico
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 3:29 PM
To: mar
sorts of
oddities.
RA
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To: [2]praelu...@hotmail.com; [3]mar...@luteshop.co.uk;
[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: [5]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
..and Castaldi's illustration is phoney? r
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..and Castaldi's illustration is phoney? r
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
Ron Andrico
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 3:29 PM
To: mar...@luteshop.co.uk; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
Thank you
On Jun 16, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Roland Hayes rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org wrote:
..and Castaldi's illustration is phoney?
The illustration you’re thinking of is almost certainly a tiorbino.
That said, it’s inconceivable that in nearly two centuries nobody NO historical
players ever used
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Andrico
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 3:29 PM
To: [4]mar...@luteshop.co.uk; [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba
Thank you for this, Martin.nb= sp; The un-historical continuo
instrument has become the norm with the ma= ny
On Jun 16, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu
wrote:
But are any of the cool kids using strings that behave like the extra
lengths of string are behaving in this pic? Very kinky!
What you’re probably seeing is the famous tiorba apesca” or “bee-style
Â
 But are any of the cool kids using strings tha= t behave like
the extra
  lengths of string are behaving in this pic?
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Mimmo= #39;s unrectified strings and Dan's chanterelles strings behave
similar= ly to the curly, fraying strings in the painting. Actually,
and rather undermines the efforts of those of u= s who
attempt to emulate historical examples.
RA
; = Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:47:20 +0200
; To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu ; From: mar...@luteshop.co.uk
; Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba;
; What bothers me is that we now see the totally
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