On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 06:56 AM, Stewart McCoy wrote:
> To answer your question, from what I know about archlutes, they were
> normally tuned to a nominal g', but there is also evidence which
> points to instruments tuned to a nominal a'.
Thanks, Stewart. The reason for my question,
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> > The only one which I feel is particularly better
> > suited for a guitar is BWV 996 ? perhaps because of
> > the e minor key
', but there is also evidence which
points to instruments tuned to a nominal a'.
Best wishes,
Stewart.
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I'm reminded of that Suite by Weiss in e minor from the London MS, and then one of my
all time favourites is the Tombeau de M Mouton. As for the later I drop the b an
octave down to a bass 5th bass diapison and wow! moving stuff!. Very, very nice!
M.
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> The only one which I feel is particularly better
> suited for a guitar is BWV 996 ? perhaps because of
> the e minor key which is well suited to that
> instrument.
You know the key of e minor gets a bad rap on the
baroque lute. It is actually a pretty great key for
the instrument. True there i
Which Clavier-Ubung? I assume No.3 - Goldberg variations? In which case, technically
difficult indeed. I understand the Tocattas for keyboard are thought to have been
written on clavichord (Here I refer not to the organ works) are the closest we have to
Bach the improvisor - how the man extem
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> The "difficulty" could mean many things: technical difficulty or musical
> difficulty. Usually the works by Bach were regarded as musically
> difficult - difficult to understand, difficult to listen to them etc.
> old-fashioned.
"Were regarded" by whom
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> From: "Thomas Schall"
> To: "Howard Posner"
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:51 AM
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> > > BWV 995 years ago, at my final Diploma, setting
> > the 13th course as a G and
> > > it worked, and I read from staff. Weyrauch is
> > easier, but makes some changes
> > > I don't think Bach
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> > I don't think Bach would have much appreciated.
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> From: "Thomas Schall"
> To: "Howard Posner"
> Cc: "Michael Stitt" ; "Miles Dempster"
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:51 AM
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> > The piece in
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. Weyrauch is easier, but makes some changes
> I don't think Bach would have much appreciated.
>
> Donatella
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> To: "Howard Posner"
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> Stewart.
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> The piece in question (BWV 995) is the only one (apart from the short
> prelude BWV 999) clearly dedicated to the Lute.
> The rest could have been to the
7;s nowt so queer as folk.
Best wishes,
Stewart.
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Dear Ed,
we have two intabulations of BWV 995: one by Falckenhagen (tabulature
for 13-ch. d-minor lute) and one by Bach himself (staff notation). Only
the version by Bach himself has the dedication to Monsieur Schouster.
I would support the rest of your mail. Falckenhagen and Weyrauch must
have
The piece in question (BWV 995) is the only one (apart from the short
prelude BWV 999) clearly dedicated to the Lute.
The rest could have been to the Lautenwerk (which would have a low g)
but this one most likely really was rearranged for the lute.
The compromise - as I already said - would be th
Dear Arto,
the problem is that there are people around not so lucky as I am (and as
obviously you are) which *have to* play the BWVs ...
I share your feelings regarding the Bach works in so far as the effort
you need to invest to get acceptable results is too high. And they are
not among the bes
> Any suggestions on the value of a very low Ff?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Stitt
Remember Terry Schumacher has several baroque lutes
with 15 courses. One time I had my 14c tuned with all
cromatic bases-so it was really 20 courses. It was
kinda hard to play to say the least but it worked.
Howeve
David Rastall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Picinnini also uses the 14th course at times, but it looks to me as if
> he is sometimes indicating something other than F. Did they use
> re-entrant tuning on those bass courses?
In a way. Piccinini's 14th course was tuned to the F# below the
sixth-c
Dear Michael & all,
I think it is wrong to assume that because BWV 995 calls for a low G, JSB
must have had a 14 course lute in mind.
I do not think it was a matter of practicality for JSB. He wrote pieces
for other instruments as well that called for notes out of the
tessitura. I think he w
Howard,
This is fair assumption to make, but I don't think a man who devoted a greater part of
his life to music, a meticulous thinker, friends of at least two lutenists, and one
frequented by one of the greatest of them all (Weiss), without mistaking the lowest
bass string on the lute. It j
On Monday, January 5, 2004, at 05:04 PM, Thomas Schall wrote:
> My liuto attiorbato (14-ch. model after Sellas) has a low F and it's
> frequently used by Mellii, Zamboni and others. I have not seen up to
> now
> a piece in the italian baroque which uses a 15th ch. - many players
> even
> tune t
Michael Stitt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks for this Thomas. Assuming Bach either misunderstood the lowest tuning
> of the Baroque lute (which I very much doubt) not being an Gg but rather a Aa,
> or was in contact with such a 14 course instrument.
I think it makes more sense to assume th
Dear Michael,
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Michael Stitt wrote:
> Arto!!!Stop itt!!>:-) ;-)
I am sorry Michael! I just could not avoid saying so... ;-))
Arto
Arto!!!Stop itt!!>:-) ;-)
Michael.
Arto Wikla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear all,
On 5 Jan 2004, Thomas Schall wrote:
> BTW: BWV 995 works fine on a 13-ch instrument when tuning the 13th
> course at G and transposing just the very few passages an A is needed.
And who, anyh
Dear all,
On 5 Jan 2004, Thomas Schall wrote:
> BTW: BWV 995 works fine on a 13-ch instrument when tuning the 13th
> course at G and transposing just the very few passages an A is needed.
And who, anyhow, would even like to play or listen the BWV's... ;-)
Best wishes :)
Arto
Thanks for this Thomas. Assuming Bach either misunderstood the lowest tuning of the
Baroque lute (which I very much doubt) not being an Gg but rather a Aa, or was in
contact with such a 14 course instrument. Just how low can the instrument be tuned
down to take advantage of low bass strings fo
Thomas,
Very interesting indeed! Well I might try a retune and explore. Many thanks,
Michael Stitt
Thomas Schall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My liuto attiorbato (14-ch. model after Sellas) has a low F and it's frequently used
by Mellii, Zamboni and others. I have not seen up to now a piece
My liuto attiorbato (14-ch. model after Sellas) has a low F and it's
frequently used by Mellii, Zamboni and others. I have not seen up to now
a piece in the italian baroque which uses a 15th ch. - many players even
tune their 14th course at f-sharp (for easier continuo).
BTW: BWV 995 works fine on
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