[LUTE] Re: Lute Stringing

2017-02-08 Thread Dan Winheld 

Hello Mimmo,

YES, I'm sold. When I have the time to crunch all the numbers (tensions 
& all other relevant specifications together) I will be ordering a 
bunch. Or just send me what's on your lute. Or send the whole lute; you 
won't have unstring & restring, and I will tune it up for you too! :-P 
Now take a rest, you've earned it.


Thanks for the new vid, and all the fine work.

Dan


On 2/8/2017 1:15 PM, Mimmo wrote:

   Hello to anyone
   I have made this video showing the last version of ther CD basses.

   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKrNCEOfPVM

   there is  a brief text in the video explaining the difference than the
   first CD's types.
   In the video I am a bit tired after this very stresses job.
   Do not worry for that
   Mimmo



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[LUTE] Lute Stringing

2017-02-08 Thread Mimmo 

>   Hello to anyone
>   I have made this video showing the last version of ther CD basses.
> 
>   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKrNCEOfPVM
> 
>   there is  a brief text in the video explaining the difference than the
>   first CD's types.
>   In the video I am a bit tired after this very stresses job.
>   Do not worry for that
>   Mimmo
> 
> 
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKrNCEOfPVM
> 
> 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Stringing (corrected)

2017-02-08 Thread Mimmo Peruffo 

   Hello to anyone
   I have made this video showing the last version of ther CD basses.

   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKrNCEOfPVM

   there is  a brief text in the video explaining the difference than the
   first CD's types.
   In the video I am a bit tired after this very stresses job.
   Do not worry for that
   Mimmo



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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Stringing (corrected)

2017-02-08 Thread Anthony Hind 
   Apologies for the message that shot off (my computer has a mind of its
   own...)

   Thanks JarosÅaw
  Whereas professional loaded bass users were forced to look for
   reliable replacements (experimenting with Gimped, pure gut, ropes or
   otherwise, KF etc), I was just keeping my old loaded basses going and
   rather lost contact with the bass string questio; so really had little
   to add.
   After a friend changed over to silver gimped I was considering doing
   the same, when Mimmo brought out the new synthetic ones. I did follow
   from afar what a few others were doing.
   In respect to Venices, perhaps your difference of appreciation,
   compared to Martin, could result from your using them at different
   tensions: I imagine they would not work well at the low tensions Martin
   may perhaps have tried them. Indeed I use my Venice octaves at a higher
   tension than my basses, and love them in that use.
   On the question of more or less sustain on basses, I suppose we all
   adapt by tweaking our styles and tensions to our string choices; but
   just the fact that French lutenists sought out vintage lutes, could
   according to Jakob Lindberg's experience with the Rauwolf, imply
   articulate sustain was very important to them, and so possibly also for
   their basses? perhaps ...
   Best wishes
   Anthony

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   On samedi, février 4, 2017, 11:51 AM, JarosÅaw Lipski
    wrote:

   Hello Anthony,
   I am fine, thank you. I haven't heard from you for a while, but it's
   nice to see you on our lute list again :)
   Actually I meant KF strings. String ends have to be split (whittled if
   you like), otherwise they are so stiff that tying them would be very
   difficult. Also they wouldn't form a proper knot and initial point of
   vibration would be further away from the bridge. In general this kind
   of problem is characteristic for very stiff strings. Fortunately
   Venices  due to their rope construction are much more pliable, so there
   is no problem with attaching them at the bridge.
   Best wishes
   Jaroslaw
   > On 04 Feb 2017, at 00:20, Anthony Hind <[2]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > Hello Jaroslaw
   >I hope things are going well with you.
   > When you say of your Venice, "Yes, mine have split ends at the
   bridge." Do you mean you have managed to separate the ends of the twine
   and pass them separately through the bridge hole?
   > This is what Charles Besnainou does with his spring twines. This
   results probably in a lower impedance in the same way as Martin's
   whittled down KFs, I would suppose?
   > Best wishes
   > Anthony
   >
   >
   > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <[3]https://yho.com/footer0>
   >
   > Le vendredi, février 3, 2017, 4:45 PM, JarosÅaw Lipski
   <[4]jaroslawlip...@wp.pl > a écrit :
   >
   > Martin,
   >
   > > When I said roped strings were dull compared to plain gut I was
   talking only about relatively thin strings, say .80-.90mm.
   >
   > I tried both thicker and thinner Aquilla Venice ropes and even on 4th
   course they sound brighter than plain gut IMHO. But, this discussion
   only shows how relative our sound perception is.
   > >
   > > For the KF strings, the high tensions which many people want to use
   will not work because the thicker KF strings are really too thick and
   stiff to work.  On the 11th course of an 11c lute I would use nothing
   larger than 1.50mm (actual diameter).  I'm using .95 for the 6th
   course.
   > >
   >
   > I am using 1.60 on 11th course and it works fine for me. But again
   it's a matter of taste.
   >
   > > Another factor with KF strings is the importance of thinning them
   where they go through the bridge and wrap over themselves in front of
   the bridge.  If you don't do this, the sound will be dull and you will
   probably get problems with the strings buzzing against the top of the
   bridge.
   > >
   >
   > Yes, mine have split ends at the bridge.
   >
   > Best
   >
   > Jaroslaw
   >
   >
   > > Martin
   > >
   > > On 03/02/2017 11:39, JarosÅaw Lipski wrote:
   > >> Mimmo,
   > >>
   > >>> You experience is that a roped string is duller than a plain gut?
   I have the contrary. Maybe  it is necessary to know how the roped
   string was done. Mine is a roped string made with two fresh 'brins'
   twisted like as rope and then polished. In practice our Venices.
   > >> Yes, I use your Venice roped strings and can confirm this. They
   are brighter than plain gut
   > >>
   > >>> I would like to buy some KF strings just to do a comparation:
   > >> I have both KFs and your CDs and compared them side to side. KFs
   have shorter sustain, are more percussive and â¦slightly duller sound
   IMO. KFs work well till 11th course on BQL. I don't like them on
   diapasons. CDs have stronger fundamental, longer sustain (much longer
   than guts) and work very well on diapasons,

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Apology computer problem ignore message svp

2017-02-08 Thread Anthony Hind 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Baroque_Lute_Stringing?=

2017-02-08 Thread Anthony Hind 
   Thanks JarosÅaw

  Whereas professional loaded basses users were forced to look for
   reliable replacements (experimenting Gimped, pure gut, ropes or
   otherwise), I was just keeping my old loaded basses going and lost
   contact with the various As an ex-phonetician factors in sound
   production, the various bass string hypotheses do interest me, but as a
   complete lutenist amateur amateur thought I could just keep my old
   Venice loaded going, swapping worn ones for new old stock early HT gut
   loaded. While Professionals, I knew, needing good repeatable stringing
   experimented with Gimped, pure gut (ropes or HT), or KF basses, I kept
   putting off the inevitable. A friend successfully swapped his loaded to
   Dan Larson's silver Gimped, and then I "gave in" and was just about to
   try a set myself, when Mimmo brought out his new synthetic loaded, and
   of course I had to try them (my Gimped still in my lute case). So for a
   time just a bystander while others experimented.

   Had the Gimped not worked for me I would have tried Venice basses (as
   Ed Martin reported successfully using pure Pistoys), but thought the
   silver Gimped would work better with my set up (I listened with
   interest to Dan L.'s recordings of lutes using either pure Pistoys or
   Gimped basses).  I was thinking about all this, but just didn't get
   round to doing anything about it. I did follow recent debates on the
   French list concerning the KF whittled down and used at low tensions,
   and also a recent article by Charles Besnainou on his air core basses
   (proving the wealth of different experiments on lute basses of which I
   have been partly aware, so not completely out of things).

   In respect to Venices, perhaps your differenceh of appreciation,
   compared to Martin, could result from your using them at different
   tensions: I imagine they would not work well at the low tensions Martin
   may perhaps have tried them. Indeed I use my Venice octaves at a higher
   tension than my , basses, and love them in that use.

   On the question of more or less sustain on basses, I suppose we all
   adapt by tweaking our styles and tensions to our string choices; but
   just the fact that French lutenists sought out vintage lutes, could
   according to Jakob Lindberg's experience with the Rauwolf, imply
   articulate sustain was very important to them, and so possibly also for
   their basses? perhaps ...

   Best wishes

   Anthony

   Le samedi, février 4, 2017, 11:49 AM, JarosÅaw Lipski
    a écrit :

   Hello Anthony,
   I am fine, thank you. I haven't heard from you for a while, but it's
   nice to see you on our lute list again :)
   Actually I meant KF strings. String ends have to be split (whittled if
   you like), otherwise they are so stiff that tying them would be very
   difficult. Also they wouldn't form a proper knot and initial point of
   vibration would be further away from the bridge. In general this kind
   of problem is characteristic for very stiff strings. Fortunately
   Venices  due to their rope construction are much more pliable, so there
   is no problem with attaching them at the bridge.
   Best wishes
   Jaroslaw
   > On 04 Feb 2017, at 00:20, Anthony Hind  wrote:
   >
   > Hello Jaroslaw
   >I hope things are going well with you.
   > When you say of your Venice, "Yes, mine have split ends at the
   bridge." Do you mean you have managed to separate the ends of the twine
   and pass them separately through the bridge hole?
   > This is what Charles Besnainou does with his spring twines. This
   results probably in a lower impedance in the same way as Martin's
   whittled down KFs, I would suppose?
   > Best wishes
   > Anthony
   >
   >
   > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <[1]https://yho.com/footer0>
   >
   > Le vendredi, février 3, 2017, 4:45 PM, JarosÅaw Lipski
   > a écrit :
   >
   > Martin,
   >
   > > When I said roped strings were dull compared to plain gut I was
   talking only about relatively thin strings, say .80-.90mm.
   >
   > I tried both thicker and thinner Aquilla Venice ropes and even on 4th
   course they sound brighter than plain gut IMHO. But, this discussion
   only shows how relative our sound perception is.
   > >
   > > For the KF strings, the high tensions which many people want to use
   will not work because the thicker KF strings are really too thick and
   stiff to work.  On the 11th course of an 11c lute I would use nothing
   larger than 1.50mm (actual diameter).  I'm using .95 for the 6th
   course.
   > >
   >
   > I am using 1.60 on 11th course and it works fine for me. But again
   it's a matter of taste.
   >
   > > Another factor with KF strings is the importance of thinning them
   where they go through the bridge and wrap over themselves in front of
   the bridge.  If you don't do this, the sound will be dull and you

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Stringing

2017-02-08 Thread Rob MacKillop 
   Not the best audio, but they do seem more gut-like to me.
   Rob

   On 7 February 2017 at 20:28, Mimmo Peruffo
   <[1]mperu...@aquilacorde.com> wrote:

 Here is:
 the not red bass string that is the 11 course   is those made with
 more stiffer elastomer. the turns on the peg where just half. th
 sound has less sustain and it is powerfull and darker. I am very
 happy with it. The 5 course: the string of that course I am playing
 is made with a stiffer elastomer and have the same quantity of
 copper. I like it a lot: less metallic and indeed less stretchly,
 far more blanced.
 [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4s4CkDP580=em-uploa
 d_owner
 well i stop here. I have flu now (thanks London!) it is a pity, I
 would like to start to do the batch soon.
 Mimmo
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