[LUTE] Re: Rust

2019-01-04 Thread Alain Veylit
   Thanks Arthur,

   I am very curious about Mr Scurius / Squirrel: how does he fit in the
   story? The idea behind the Wilhem Rust "deception" was to make
   Friedrich Rust appear to be the missing link between Mozart and
   Beethoven, which lute music would not necessarily or obviously support
   ... Rust also committed a Sonata per il Clavicordio all imitazione de
   Timpani del Salterio e del Liuto that sounds intriguing. His
   compositions for tangent piano, nail violin and in imitation of the
   salterio don't seem particularly romantic to me - may be closer to
   mid-20th century post-modern experiments integrating type-writers and
   car horns...

   Was he the last renowned composer to compose sonatas for the lute ?

   On 1/4/19 4:50 PM, Arthur Ness wrote:

   Hi, Alain and Andi,
   This is involved.  It even goes back to Bach in the case of both
   like-named father and grandson.  I found several references to an
   edition of three or four Rust sonatas for lute and violin, publ. 1892.
   I sent ILL's galore when I was in Germany.  ILL service is super in
   Germany, but I got no results.  No one had such a print.  Perhaps a
   mistaken date.  1798 would fit perfectly for the father.  So, could it
   be a lost print from 1798?  I also examined the manuscripts in Berlin
   and noticed some blue crayon editorial marks.  And recall the sonata
   with viola. Can't recall if it was printed.  The print also had a song
   with lute accompaniment, and a note (I think) that it was sung when the
   patrons went gondola rowing around the palace.
   D'Indy was the guy who spilled the beans.  "Der Fall Rust" was the
   modest title of the article.  (Sounds so well with English word
   Fall)  Of yes, a lutenist named Sciurius (Mr. Squirell) was also
   involved.  His manuscript is in Berlin also (cover: C. A. A. Pr d'A /
   1740).
   Later, Alain and Andi  --Arthur.

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[LUTE] Nick Cave

2019-01-04 Thread Roman Turovsky

For the Nick Cave fans among Lutenetters:
I have made a simple arrangement of the HENRY LEE ballad,
in various keys for different voice ranges, plus one version for theorbo.

Interested parties, drop me an email!
Happy New Year!
RT

==
Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes.
http://polyhymnion.org/swv



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[LUTE] Rust

2019-01-04 Thread Arthur Ness
   Hi, Alain and Andi,
   This is involved.  It even goes back to Bach in the case of both
   like-named father and grandson.  I found several references to an
   edition of three or four Rust sonatas for lute and violin, publ. 1892.
   I sent ILL's galore when I was in Germany.  ILL service is super in
   Germany, but I got no results.  No one had such a print.  Perhaps a
   mistaken date.  1798 would fit perfectly for the father.  So, could it
   be a lost print from 1798?  I also examined the manuscripts in Berlin
   and noticed some blue crayon editorial marks.  And recall the sonata
   with viola. Can't recall if it was printed.  The print also had a song
   with lute accompaniment, and a note (I think) that it was sung when the
   patrons went gondola rowing around the palace.
   []^[DEL: :DEL]
   D'Indy was the guy who spilled the beans.  "Der Fall Rust" was the
   modest title of the article.  (Sounds so well with English word
   Fall)  Of yes, a lutenist named Sciurius (Mr. Squirell) was also
   involved.  His manuscript is in Berlin also (cover: C. A. A. Pr d'A /
   1740).
   Later, Alain and Andi  --Arthur.

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[LUTE] Re: Rust, Friedrich Wilhelm

2019-01-04 Thread Alain Veylit

Thanks Andreas,

Here is the metadata information for the manuscript I have downloaded - 
It does not seem to fit the two sources you mention since the lute part 
is in notation. I made a mistake in my first message: the sonata is for 
viola d'alto - not viola d'amore. It looks to me more like an 18th 
century MS than late 19th, and fairly similar to the Dalla Casa MS in 
style. There are some penciled in corrections - perhaps from Wilhem.


Let me know your thoughts, I am curious!

Alain


PPN: PPN882226452
PURL: http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB0001F7EC
Titel: Sonaten; lute, vla; C-Dur; CzaR 96
Autor/in: Rust, Friedrich Wilhelm
Weitere Person: Friedrich Wilhelm Rust
Entstehungsjahr: 1775
RISM_A2-Nummer: 1001007809
Signatur: Mus.ms.autogr. Rust, F. W. 21 N
Kategorie: Musiknoten,Musikhandschriften
Projekt: Musikhandschriften digital
Strukturtyp: manuscript
Anzahl gescannter Seiten: 7
Lizenz: CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 International


On 1/3/19 11:46 PM, Andreas Schlegel wrote:

I made in 1988/89 a reconstruction of the three sonatas for violin (flute) and 
lute (still available). Below you will find the text from my edition, published 
in 1998. The sonata for viola is not edited (re-intabulated) for lute.

Friedrich Wilhelm Rust
(1739 -1796)
Three Sonatas for Lute and obligato Violin/Flute
reconstructed by Andreas Schlegel

1. The riddle and its solution

The present edition is unusual in some respects. The reason for this is that 
there is no known source of these three sonatas which stems from the time of 
the composer Friedrich Wilhelm Rust and which transmits the music in an 
„incorrupt“ state. The trail leading to this edition proceeds via 
„fraud“ and reconstruction. But, one thing at a time...

The Sources and their History

Two sources of these sonatas survive:
1. Manuscript „Rust 53“ (Staatsbibliothek Preussischer Kulturbesitz, 
Berlin). This contains the lute part, notated in tablature, and the violin 
part, written in standard notation, of all three sonatas.
2. „Ms. 40150“ (formerly in the Preussische Staatsbibliothek; now held by 
the Jagiellonska Library, Krakow). This contains, among other things, merely 
the lute part, notated in tablature, of the first two sonatas.
„Rust 53“ probably remained in the possession of Rust’s family after the 
composer’s death, and thus was handed down to his grandson Wilhelm Rust, cantor 
of the Thomas Church in Leipzig and music researcher. This Wilhelm Rust was 
probably the author of the article „Tabulatur“ in the „Musicalisches 
Konversations-Lexikon“ by Mendel and Reissmann published in 1878. The first 17 
measures of Friedrich Wilhelm Rust’s second sonata appear there as an example of 
lute tablature. In 1892, the three sonatas were published in Wilhelm Rust’s 
arrangement for piano and violin by Schweers & Harke of Bremen.
The strange thing about the 1892 edition and about the present condition of the 
source „Rust 53“ is that the lute part is virtually unplayable; long 
passages are completely unidiomatic. Stranger yet: the 1892 tablature part is 
no longer the same one used as an illustration in Mendel and Reissmann’s 
lexicon. Thus, „Rust 53“ was changed extensively after 1878. Voices were 
added, the texture was made more dense and, to some extent, strongly 
romanticized. Strangest of all, these radical changes were penned into the 
original tablature-manuscript - with all the effort involved, it being a matter 
of hundreds of careful erasures and insertions!
Two persons come into question as arranger: either the then-owner of the source 
Wilhelm Rust, who thus would have carried out the changes sometime between 1878 
and his death in May 1892, or an unknown person who carried them out sometime 
after their appearance in Rust’s edition. According to the latter hypothesis, 
it would seem that the intervention in „Rust 53“ was intended to mask the 
difference between the original manuscript and Wilhelm Rust’s piano edition. 
One can imagine these arrangements in the context of the „Rust case“: 
Wilhelm Rust wanted to use the „revised“ editions of his grandfather’s 
works to present him as Beethoven’s predecessor. This fraud was not 
discovered until 1912/13, when Ernst Neufeldt noticed it. Although it seems 
likely that Wilhelm Rust was the author of this arrangement and thus the 
„counterfeiter“ of the source „Rust 53“, it is not possible at the 
moment !

to claim this for sure.

However, there does exist the previously-mentioned second source. „Ms. 
40150“. As the present author pointed out in his article „Zur Neuausgabe 
der Sonaten für Laute und obligate Violine/Flöte von Friedrich Wilhelm 
Rust“ („Concerning the re-edition of the sonatas for lute and obligato 
violin/flute by Friedrich Wilhelm Rust“) in Gitarre und Laute 6/1989, pp. 
41-47, the manuscript „Rust 53“, at least as far as the lute part of 
Sonatas 1 and 2 is concerned, is probably a