[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments
from what I read the fret calculators on the net are based on historic instruments - hence a distinct Gerle and Dowland tuning because they are taken from the fret marks on the neck of different instruments. @ Daniel Shoskes, I wonder with 1/6th comma tuning what is the reference pitch as a tuning where the fundamental is G would result in different pitches compared to a tuning based on A. Another thing, would all common keys sound 'better' as you describe it, i.e. where are the limits as of keys? The Dowland Coranto for instance which is basically in F minor contains C major and Db major chords among others. Best wishes Jurgen -- “Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, July 20, 2019 6:15 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: > For my Renaissance lute I prefer 1/6 comma. Not too extreme if the keys stray > but noticeably brighter than equal for most solo music. Even if you prefer > equal, it’s handy to know how to get to 1/6 comma if you ever play in a mixed > ensemble. > If you have access to the latest LSA Quarterly, the “Lute Forum” section has > a discussion on meantone temperament with contributions from Sylvan Bergeron > and Lucas Harris. Lucas is of the opinion that tuning using a fret placement > calculator is inferior to tuning by ear with an electronic tuner because fret > calculators don’t take into account factors such as action that can alter the > placement. > If you have access to the archives, there is also a good article by Richard > Kolb in the Spring 2009 edition. > > Danny > > > On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Tristan von Neumann tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > > wrote: > > I know this is a wide topic... > > Today, I changed my fret setup from Gerle to Dowland (Thanks to Mr. > > Niskanen and his marvellous calculator), because I mostly play later > > 16th century music. > > It sounds somewhat "brighter" in the keys preferred then. > > Maybe I will also try what Galilei recommended. > > Which one did you try and which one do you prefer (for solo playing). > > What are your thoughts on character vs. versatility? > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments
For my Renaissance lute I prefer 1/6 comma. Not too extreme if the keys stray but noticeably brighter than equal for most solo music. Even if you prefer equal, it’s handy to know how to get to 1/6 comma if you ever play in a mixed ensemble. If you have access to the latest LSA Quarterly, the “Lute Forum” section has a discussion on meantone temperament with contributions from Sylvan Bergeron and Lucas Harris. Lucas is of the opinion that tuning using a fret placement calculator is inferior to tuning by ear with an electronic tuner because fret calculators don’t take into account factors such as action that can alter the placement. If you have access to the archives, there is also a good article by Richard Kolb in the Spring 2009 edition. Danny > On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > I know this is a wide topic... > > > Today, I changed my fret setup from Gerle to Dowland (Thanks to Mr. > Niskanen and his marvellous calculator), because I mostly play later > 16th century music. > > It sounds somewhat "brighter" in the keys preferred then. > > Maybe I will also try what Galilei recommended. > > > Which one did you try and which one do you prefer (for solo playing). > > What are your thoughts on character vs. versatility? > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments
Well, then this is obviously a mistake in Lauri Niskanen's calculator, which I trusted to be based on some facts. Sounds pretty nice though. In case you want to compare the two: https://www.niskanenlutes.com/index.php?p=frets On 19.07.19 18:12, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote: Tristan, Gerle vs. Dowland is a somewhat queer Match, because Dowland cites Gerle's treaty in Varieties... So: how do you come to make a difference? Have I missed something? Best Joe the Lousy Luter Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone. Originalnachricht Von: Tristan von Neumann Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 18:04 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Lute Temperaments I know this is a wide topic... Today, I changed my fret setup from Gerle to Dowland (Thanks to Mr. Niskanen and his marvellous calculator), because I mostly play later 16th century music. It sounds somewhat "brighter" in the keys preferred then. Maybe I will also try what Galilei recommended. Which one did you try and which one do you prefer (for solo playing). What are your thoughts on character vs. versatility? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute Temperaments
I know this is a wide topic... Today, I changed my fret setup from Gerle to Dowland (Thanks to Mr. Niskanen and his marvellous calculator), because I mostly play later 16th century music. It sounds somewhat "brighter" in the keys preferred then. Maybe I will also try what Galilei recommended. Which one did you try and which one do you prefer (for solo playing). What are your thoughts on character vs. versatility? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments
Tristan, Gerle vs. Dowland is a somewhat queer Match, because Dowland cites Gerle's treaty in Varieties... So: how do you come to make a difference? Have I missed something? Best Joe the Lousy Luter Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone. Originalnachricht Von: Tristan von Neumann Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 18:04 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Lute Temperaments I know this is a wide topic... Today, I changed my fret setup from Gerle to Dowland (Thanks to Mr. Niskanen and his marvellous calculator), because I mostly play later 16th century music. It sounds somewhat "brighter" in the keys preferred then. Maybe I will also try what Galilei recommended. Which one did you try and which one do you prefer (for solo playing). What are your thoughts on character vs. versatility? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html