I am happy to offer you another Baroque Lute item by one Fernan Sors, just
posted at
http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/opus-2.html
Enjoy,
RT
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Lied #85
DIE SPINNERIN by Goethe/Schubert is now on
http://polyhymnion.org/lieder/lieder.html
The complete lyrics are available with #8 on the list, a setting of the same
text by J.F.Reichardt.
Amitiés,
RT
I have just added something nice for Renaissance Lute (beginners would
appreciate it too, I'm sure...) in the Sarmaticae series (#15)
at
http://polyhymnion.org/torban/torban4.html
RT
According to whose worldview? Just because it isn't done as frequently
since the days of John Phillip Sousa doesn't mean it's entirely beyond
the pale.
We seem to agree that it's done less frequently today than in the past,
and that is enough for my purposes.
You think dedicating a piece
According to whose worldview? Just because it isn't done as frequently
since the days of John Phillip Sousa doesn't mean it's entirely beyond
the pale.
We seem to agree that it's done less frequently today than in the past,
and that is enough for my purposes.
You think dedicating a piece to
So the answer to your question of how to account for this difference in
taste is that taste has little to do with it. The political and social
reality has changed. Most of us are raised with the idea that everyone is
equal. In Dowland's time, such an assertion might have been construed as
The Historical Harp Society is at
http://www.historicalharps.org/
RT
Jon--
There were some harp tablatures devised, to the best of my limited knowledge,
by 16th c. Spanish
composers and, I think, the Welsh. Sorry I can't be more specific, but surely
someone else on the list has
more useful
And another
http://www.inthistoricalharps.org/
RT
The Historical Harp Society is at
http://www.historicalharps.org/
RT
Jon--
There were some harp tablatures devised, to the best of my limited knowledge,
by 16th c. Spanish
composers and, I think, the Welsh. Sorry I can't be more specific,
It seems to be
OK for some members of this list to post some pretty god-awful political
rhetoric from time to time so I don't see how you are creating a problem.
At New York's Kennedy airport today, an individual later discovered to
be a public school teacher was arrested trying to board a
I think a thinner string is required with adequate tension, but don't
have any experience with gut, nylgut, carbon, etc.
I use carbon on 4 upper courses, happily.
RT
ps.
Nylgut's niceties only last 2-3 weeks. After that it goes dead.
RT
I think a thinner string is required with adequate tension, but don't
have any experience with gut, nylgut, carbon, etc.
I use carbon on 4 upper courses, happily.
RT
My friends from the mediaeval music ensemble Syntagma are issuing a new and
very fine CD in April. 2 tracks have been made available for your perusal
and delectation at
http://www.polyhymnion.org/syntagma/
Enjoy,
RT
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About 2 weeks ago my carbon chanterelle started fraying after 5 of so years
on. It eventually broke where it frayed, but it was still in tune until
breakage.
RT
My teacher says that if you want longevity, use carbon.
Found on a Lithuanian website from 2002:
Spalio 11
19.00 Evangeliku-liuteronu baznycia
ENSEMBLE KAIROS (Svedija)
Kristina Nilsson-Hellgren (sopranas), Peter Söderberg (liutnia, teorba),
Leif Henrikson (viola da gamba)
Aldo Clementi. Aria
Lars Sandberg. Fem Rum
Vytautas Laurusas. Trys
My teacher says that if you want longevity, use carbon.
But if you want a good sound my hear says: definetively use gut. 8^)
Francesco
And a modicum of masochism...
RT
That's what I'd call Perspicacious Conjecture.
RT
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Although there seems to be a general concensus that Dowland only produced
the music parts of his own songs, I have always felt that this was rather
unfair.
I mean, it
This sounds like the plot of a very bad film. What is the source of this
ridiculous story?
Rainer aus dem Spring
Dear Rainer,
always a pleasure to be hearing from you.
There is no consensus on that.
RT
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From: Rainer aus dem Klo
This sounds like the plot of a very bad film. What is the source of this
ridiculous story?
Dear Rainer,
always a pleasure to be hearing from you.
There is no consensus on that.
RT
Great - the idiot is still alive and has a new e-mail address - another entry
for
What IS interesting, is the fact that the lute player is playing thumb out.
It is NOT PARTICULARLY interesting. The iconographic ratio of IN/OUT is
50/50.
RT
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The only point here is that the paintings of the lutenists of the
Renaissance, and other modern classical times, must be posed rather than
live play - or else the painters had perfect memories for their subjects.
Who is to say whether the musician was playing a run, or a chord, or just
tuning
There was a small error in the vocal part, and it is now corrected, thanks
to a vigilant friend.
RT
Dear e-friends,
I have just posted a new and a very beautiful and unusual item for the
adventurous among you. For this I have chosen one of my favorite Ukrainian
songs: it is thought to date
It describes a conversation between an owl and a young
widow.
The owl tells the woman to tend to her children without tears, for he
knows
her husband well, they always dine and sup together. Every day he eats
the
man's liver and and every evening he drinks his eyes.
Hence the lack of
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Roman Turovsky wrote:
I have just posted Lied #88 for your perusal and delectation. Unlike the
[...]
How often do you wish to remind the List of your latest achievements?
I'd hesitate to call these my achievements. I merely intabulated them.
Couldn't you just thrust
Apologies, 88 and 89 got reversed.
RT
Chers e-amis,
j'ai misé le Lied #88 pour votre lecture et delectation. À la différence de
l'article précédent ce n'est pas une adaptation de matériel folklorique
ukrainien. Il a été écrit ca.1650 par St.Dimitry Tuptalo, un prêtre
ukrainien, poèt,
Dear e-friends,
I have just posted Lied #89 for your perusal and delectation. Like the
previous item it is an adaptation of Ukrainian folk material. The synopsis
of the song: It describes a conversation between an owl and a young widow.
The owl tells the woman to tend to her children without
I have just posted Lied #88 for your perusal and delectation. Unlike the
[...]
How often do you wish to remind the List of your latest achievements?
Couldn't you just thrust that the Interested Souls are able to visit
your pages often enough without the continuous advertisement of single
new
Couldn't you just thrust that the Interested Souls are able to visit
p.s.
I'm not out of thrust yet.
RT
Dear e-friends,
I am proud to announce that that Eduard Drach, a very fine Ukrainian poet,
composer and kobza player (a member in the famous Kobzars' Guild), has
given me a permission to adapt one (hopefully the first in a series) of his
finest songs im Volkston for our instrument.
It is now
Does that sound good to you? It usually doesn't to me. Practice using
rest strokes wherever possible. After a while you should be able to
get near the same angle with a free stroke. Also check your setup,
maybe your octave string is too high.
The gage difference between the fundamental and the
Most of the existing old Lutes have been updated and converted
from their original configuration and some, I understand, were converted
into Hurdy Gurdys.
That would be like building a tree-house in a bonsai..
RT
FYI, the lute to hurdy-gurdy conversion is a bit of an urban myth.
RT
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Holy Socks Roman, you got me again, there's just no getting one by you is
there? You use the bonsai word like a gun, it's truly amazing. Tree house
Dear e-friends,
I am proud to announce another 18th century Ukrainian folk song adapted for
Baroque Lute (##93 94, in 2 versions: a and d, playable as solos as well,
13-course lute required).
It is available for your perusal and delectation at:
http://polyhymnion.org/lieder/lieder.html
as well as
However a donkey with a lute has been seen repeatedly in brothers Grimm's
tales. One such tale can be found in its entirety in the lute-list's
archives.
RT
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Subject: Re: Ive never seen a horse with lute.
So why do we allow ourselves to be beguiled by ideas of a golden past?
I don't. I just like the music.
I wish this was more typical..
RT
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does anyone know where i might find a photo of the ukrainian lute
called a kobsa?
Eccola qua':
http://polyhymnion.org/torban
RT
More specifically in Chapter 2 and the Iconography section.
RT
does anyone know where i might find a photo of the ukrainian lute
called a kobsa?
Eccola qua':
http://polyhymnion.org/torban
RT
This is not really a torban, but a terribly misplaced idea of one. It has
been posted there by my friend Yuri Fedynsky after he realized just how
little it resembles the real thing. It has a great deal less in common with
torban than a wandervogel has with our lutes.
It is a carved body, trapeze
Dear Stewart.
Perfect! And logical. As one who has read music for voice for almost sixty
years I would love it if all voice parts were written in C (or the related
modes). The few with perfect pitch would have a problem, but the rest of
us look at the intervals, whatever the starting pitch.
Dear e-friends,
I am offering you my magnum opus (which may well still be just an item in my
opera magna):
Passacaglia De Temporum Fine in g-minor on an 8-bar ostinato.
I dedicate this piece to all victims of Islamic violence, past, present, and
future.
It is found here (along with 8.5mb mp3 for
countries.
Best wishes,
Stewart.
- Original Message -
From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lute Net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Lutesong in A?
Somehow I just don't see this to be helpful
years I would love it if all voice parts were
written in C (or the related
modes). The few with perfect pitch would have a
problem, but the rest of
us look at the intervals, whatever the starting
pitch.
I don't think composers would appreciate that.
RT
They wouldn't have had a problem
And she is a fisrt-rate player indeed.
RT
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there will be a lute class within the summer school of early music held
by Evangelina Mascardi, a marvelous player of the lute.
for details see the information below.
Best
Dear e-friends,
I have posted a few new items for your 11/13-course perusal and delectation.
An arrangement of an 18th century folk-song (#42)
at
http://www.polyhymnion.org/torban/torban4.html
and
a Passacaglia on the theme derived from the opening measures of Vivaldi's
aria Piango, Gemo,
JSBach's birthday in fact...
RT
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JSBach's birthday in fact...
And mine was yesterday! ;-)
Arto
I'm flabbergasted.
RT
Worth a read:
http://www.wakeup.org/anadolu/05/4/mustafa_sabri_en.html
RT
Dear e-friends,
I have some interesting updates at
http://polyhymnion.org/torban :
some new music, including a baroque lute setting of a Ukrainian folksong
that provided Sychra with the theme for his Dumka variations and some very
interesting photos of the Deutsches Museum Torban in München.
I have put another interesting photo, that of a triple-swan-neck lute from
Deutsches Museum in München, on
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/vita.html
RT
A large (80cm+) triple-swan-neck baroque lute sans first string.
It works VERY well for Bach cello suites.
RT
What is a Weiss theorbo exactly?
Alain
At 01:41 PM 3/22/04, Roman Turovsky wrote:
I have put another interesting photo, that of a triple-swan-neck lute from
Deutsches Museum
suites.
RT
What is a Weiss theorbo exactly?
Alain
At 01:41 PM 3/22/04, Roman Turovsky wrote:
I have put another interesting photo, that of a triple-swan-neck lute from
Deutsches Museum in München, on
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/vita.html
RT
theorbo exactly?
Alain
At 01:41 PM 3/22/04, Roman Turovsky wrote:
I have put another interesting photo, that of a triple-swan-neck
lute from
Deutsches Museum in M?, on
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/vita.html
RT
I was wondering if the Baroque Lute D minor tuning is/was ever used for Bass
Continuo playing?
Tim Mills
A number of people do it, including myself, although I don't like the idea.
RT
At 21:47 22-03-2004 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote:
I was wondering if the Baroque Lute D minor tuning is/was ever used for
Bass
Continuo playing?
Tim Mills
A number of people do it, including myself, although I don't like the idea.
RT
Sounds strange. Please explain.
Arne.
IMO: Baroque Lute
- Original Message -
From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: LUTE-LIST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: also
I'm just curious: why is it without the first string? Is it just that
the chanterelle can't sustain
IMO: Baroque Lute is ill-suited to any group endeavor, excepted
accompanying
a single voice singing maximum at mezza voce. It is destined to be a
PRIVATE
instrument, like clavichord, as I said elsewhere.
What is private and what is public in terms of 18th C. and 21st C. --?
Very complicated
Please note: I moved this thread to the Baroque-Lute List where this might
profit from slightly different demographics.
RT
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my interest in early country music stems from something i once read
about how music which evolved in the cities during the renaissance
totally eclipsed the interest that was formerly paid to music from the
country - cantigas de santa maria, llibre vermell, etc..
What's so rustic about these?
characteristics of this music. i imagine that country music in one
country sounded pretty much like country music in another. keeping in
mind the simple types of instruments that country people in europe had
at the time and the unsophisticated melodies they usually produce, it
was probably
happy-clappy
pilgrim songs
I think you superimposed the mood of First Abyssinian Baptist Church,
Somewhere in Alabama, USA on mediaeval Europe..
RT
Read Telemann's autobio apropos his stay in Sorau/Zary and his description
of folk music there.
RT
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characteristics of this music. i imagine that country music in one
country sounded pretty much like country music in
characteristics of this music. i imagine that country music in one
country sounded pretty much like country music in another. keeping in
mind the simple types of instruments that country people in europe had
at the time and the unsophisticated melodies they usually produce, it
was probably
Perhaps I missed something on this thread, and I hesitate to make a strong
statement as I normally assume that people speak as gentlemen. But I find
the above comment offensive.
Jon, you remind me of an old proverb about Vikings. In the days of yore when
a Norseman would misunderstand something
I have just put up a photo of the Royal College of Music Torban (seems to be
identical with the Razumovsky Torban in Vienna), for those interested.
http://polyhymnion.org/torban
Chapter IIIb
RT
Buy him one of Grappa di Moscato Bocchino. Knob Creek is nice too, but to
broaden the horizons, sai
RT
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jon - buy you a drink?
On Giovedi' 25, 2004, at 07:07 Europe/Rome, Jon Murphy wrote:
I am not sure that Romans could tell the difference either! At the head of
our valley in Cumbria is the remains of a roman fort and when the weather
closes in and the mist lies thick around you cant even distinguish the
Herdwicks from the rocks!
Charles
As long as you can distinguish
To the lute list I ventured to treck,
To find pearls amongst all the dreck,
But spammin by Roman,
On updates to 'hmnion,
Deluge me with factitious Sautscheck!
(and I've heard every Urologist joke in the book 50 times over, so don't
bother trying to rhyme Shoskes and prostate!)
Dr.
At 16:38 25-03-2004 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote:
I am not sure that Romans could tell the difference either! At the head of
our valley in Cumbria is the remains of a roman fort and when the weather
closes in and the mist lies thick around you cant even distinguish the
Herdwicks from the rocks
I would not underestimate the African influence on American music...
ditto, and I would not underestimate the European and American
influences on African musics, not to mention the influences from the
Asian subcontinent.
Which one?
RT
From: Cinque Cento [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Too insecure to sign with a name?
Some corrections:
There once was a list for the lute
where the home-rules were quite absolute
and although microscopic
posters stuck to the topic
and did not dwell on organ or flute
There once was a list for the lute
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
once pretended to be a cyborg.
Wouldn't sign his name
on his limericks lame,
and slowly became a THEORBORG.
or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
once pretended to be a cyborg.
Wouldn't sign his name
on his limericks lame,
and tuned to mean-tone with his Korg.
RT
Roman thought of himself as a
I will take donations for
rimes in eck.
fleck, speck, dreck, OPEC.
RT
Also the theobo plays it's role in the baroque orchestra.
As an internal metronome in polychoral music, to keep the beat when the
conductor is too far to see/hear. This is an old trecento practice: to put a
harpist in a remote choir to keep them together, audible only to the the
singers
There once was a fellow named Roman
Whose limerick skills he kept honin'
But try as he might
They ne'er came out right
Because his first language is Russian, not English and the scansion isn't
quite the same between the two languages so he always ends up putting far
more beats in than
I take extreme umbrage at this: I am usually extremely attentive to the # of
syllables per line.
I didn't say syllables, I said beats. There's a great difference between
the number of syllables and the meter of a limerick especially when you use
contractions. Attend to the corrections I
.. and it provides a certain color to the sound.
A year or so ago I attended a performance of St.John passion which had a
much to large choir and a double orchestra but just one archlute. And
even there the archlute (okay - no baroque lute) was well hearable.
Donatella made a good point: It
I take extreme umbrage at this: I am usually extremely attentive to the #
of
syllables per line.
Limericks aren't Haiku.
jm
You may not be aware of this, but the russophone limerick culture is larger
than the anglophone, and it is almost as old, althogh it really started
blossoming in the
Francesco Cannova da Miolano
Fell into a pole of guano
His patrons said, Nay...
please play far away..
And all of his fortes were piano.
Francesco Canova Milano
Fell into a pool of guano.
Now he's sent to Segrate
with personae non-grate,
And all of his fortes went piano.
RT
... is Russian, not English and the
scansion isn't quite the same
In fact, SCA never made it there.
Their academic medievalists are on good level though.
RT
between the two languages
different, etc. And playing continuo is demanding and very fun!
(Roman said he likes to row his lonely boat by himself. I prefer
the great vessel of chamber music... :-)
Arto
Being in the spotlight (even of one's own room) carries considerable
responsibility. It is not for everyone.
RT
However what I meant wasn't his
personality, but how much he euphoniously deviated from the rest of the
band.
I wasn't referring to his personality either.
Ah...
RT
Those of you who might want to take a closer look at the Royal College of
Music Torban in London can actually do that at
http://polyhymnion.org/torban/london
A big public bow to Aleksandr Batov for making this possible.
RT
jon - i'll bow to your superior knowledge of american history and the
sequence of it. i mentioned convicts because i seem to remember that
georgia was populated by convicts at one time (don't know why but
ogilvey comes to mind).
Not only Georgia. At least 2 Defoe novels deal extensively with
The Brass Monkey
In the heyday of sailing ships, all war ships and many freighters
carried iron cannons. Those cannons fired round iron cannon balls. It
was necessary to keep a good supply near the cannon, but they had to
find a way to prevent them from rolling about the deck.
The best
That might seem a bit weak, but it has a certain nonsensical charm
all the same. Nowadays, as you say, limericks tend have something
special or witty in the last line.
My all-time fave (I can't guarantee I remember it exactly):
Titian mixed his rose-madder
standing on top of a ladder.
When the
Lest we stray too far from our usual subject matter, I would say
that our word catgut for strings has nothing to do with cats. Gut
strings are made from the guts of sheep. Nowadays we think of the
word cattle as meaning lots of cows, but not many people realise
that it can have the meaning of
The e flats and e naturals are the result of harmonic thinking,
taking into account what is in the Lute 2 part, avoiding where
possible the dreaded diminished fifth/ augmented fourth.
Could you elucidate why these are to be dreaded?
RT
The e flats and e naturals are the result of harmonic thinking,
taking into account what is in the Lute 2 part, avoiding where
possible the dreaded diminished fifth/ augmented fourth.
Could you elucidate why these are to be dreaded?
Diabolus in Musica
Otherwise known as a TRITONE!!!
Fux as composer was a model of inspiration and memorability, if you acquire
my drift. I think he made a BIG strategic mistake in misjudging tritones'
usefullness.
RT
The e flats and e naturals are the result of harmonic thinking,
taking into account what is in the Lute 2 part, avoiding
Dear e-friends,
I'm unusually proud to inform you that Edward Drach, fine Ukrainian
composer, cobza player, singer (and physician...) has made available one of
his best songs im volkston for you perusal and delectation in an
arrangement that includes a prelude and postlude by yours truly.
It may
with Hildegard v. Bingen,
Did this butcher ever compose???
RT
Hildegard was a butcher?
She has blood up to her elbows in Speer, Worms, Mainz and a few other
places.
So, to paraphrase Luther, whoever listens to Hildegard- hears Satan.
I rather enjoy her being listed as post-renaissance composer. A
certain way of truth shines through ...
Thomas
There is
Really Roman! There was no need to drag Johann Strauss into this discussion
:)
I meant someone called Schicklgruber.
RT
But seriously, can you elaborate? Or provide a link? Pretty please?
Garry
Hildegard was a butcher?
She has blood up to her elbows in Speer, Worms, Mainz and a few
Ah..I see the misunderstanding.
So when Bach specified lute in the St. John Passion, he meant...
A number of possibilities.
...and I guess we should say solo lute when that's what we mean.
..and bach's 'cell suites weren't written for guitar? Turns out that at
least one of them wasn't
--- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hildegard was a butcher?
She has blood up to her elbows in Speer, Worms, Mainz and a few other
places.
So, to paraphrase Luther, whoever listens to Hildegard- hears Satan.
what happend? I don't know this story ...
1096 was the year. Hildegard
I meant someone called Schicklgruber.
Hildegard is a precursor to a certain Austrian gentleman
with peculiar facial hair...
Why really RT is such a spoilsport? There was a funny, entertaining
and polite question and poll of the favorite composers,
I have nothing against the poll, but
Dear e-friends,
As April 1st is coming to a close, and it is time to set aside the
merrymaking: I would like to offer you Lied #100, a VERY FINE anonymous
Ukrainian Kant about Adam's Fall from the early 1700's. It has all the
hallmarks of Dimitry Tuptalo style, so I believe it came from his pen.
Be careful, lest the action goes up.
RT
Thanks to everyone who responded. The lute is now tuned to G , is stable,
and sounds much better then when it was tuned to E.
I do, however, feel silly. I should have thought of tuning it up some years
ago, but at that point I was using cheap
Shakespeare inhabited
the same London as the legion scribblers beside him), but it frees us a
little from the cult of the solitary artist.
To what? a cult of Collective Effort?
RT
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Shakespeare inhabited
the same London as the legion scribblers beside him), but it frees us a
little from the cult of the solitary artist.
To what? a cult of Collective Effort?
But who cares? Jimi Hendrix was living in the same house, where Händel
was living in 1700's, when Hendrix visited
But what really is your attitude to the music of J. Hendrix?
I have a rather dim 25 year old memory of his music,
Refresh it!
It actually gets refreshed every once in a while, to be honest, as I get
exposed to many things of that sort at work, and often there is no way to
tune it out.
RT
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