[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle
I spent about 24 bucks on Seaguar Fluoro Premier from a fishing supply website. For the G. Sounds great even if it feels a little bit skinny under the fretting hand. I have Roman Turovsky to thank for the advice. Lynda [kraar+logo.png] Lynda Kraar, President Lynda Kraar & Associates U.S. Cell: 551-486-3772 Google Voice: [1]985-205-9632 (985-20-LYNDA) Skype: lyndakraar On Jan 13, 2019, at 4:56 PM, <[2]pathfin...@qwestoffice.net> <[3]pathfin...@qwestoffice.net> wrote: I'm sure everyone will be horrified, but I use Ominflex 25lb test nylon fishing line (from WalMart: about 2 or 3 dollars for a lifetime supply : ) for the G (1st) string on my 8-string guitar...it works great. I use the 20lb test for the chanterelle of my 8c Renaissance lute (600mm). It works great as well. I have found plenty of inexpensive replacements for other strings too, among fishing lines and guitar strings if you do a little calculating and choose conservatively. -Original Message- From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[5]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Wim Loos Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 2:09 PM To: LuteNet list <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Chanterelle Dear all, I �m looking to string my 7c renaissance lute, string length 60cm (a=415) again. In this moment I use nylgut and pyramid wound strings. Only the chanterelle is nylon while the nylgut string was broken. I considder to use carbon for the chanterelle, does anybody know if is this a good alternative. I hope jou can give me a advise what to do. Thanks in advance, Wim Loos -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. tel:985-205-9632 2. mailto:pathfin...@qwestoffice.net 3. mailto:pathfin...@qwestoffice.net 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle
My first lute teacher said 'nylon is nylon - whatever works works'. Possibly to live by? On 1/13/2019 4:56 PM, [1]pathfin...@qwestoffice.net wrote: I'm sure everyone will be horrified, but I use Ominflex 25lb test nylon fishing line (from WalMart: about 2 or 3 dollars for a lifetime supply : ) for the G (1st) string on my 8-string guitar...it works great. I use the 20lb test for the chanterelle of my 8c Renaissance lute (600mm). It works great as well. I have found plenty of inexpensive replacements for other strings too, among fishing lines and guitar strings if you do a little calculating and choose conservatively. -Original Message- From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[3]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Beha lf Of Wim Loos Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 2:09 PM To: LuteNet list [4] Subject: [LUTE] Chanterelle Dear all, I ôm looking to string my 7c renaissance lute, string length 60cm (aA5) again. In this moment I use nylgut and pyramid wound strings. Only the chanterelle is nylon while the nylgut string was broken. I considder to use carbon for the chanterelle, does anybody know if is this a good alternative. I hope jou can give me a advise what to do. Thanks in advance, Wim Loos -- To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:pathfin...@qwestoffice.net 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle
Pathfinder- Shocked & Horrified =-O that I've never heard of Omniflex! -And I've heard of a lot of string things... -Thanks for the tip! On 1/13/2019 1:56 PM, pathfin...@qwestoffice.net wrote: I'm sure everyone will be horrified, but I use Ominflex 25lb test nylon fishing line (from WalMart: about 2 or 3 dollars for a lifetime supply : ) for the G (1st) string on my 8-string guitar...it works great. I use the 20lb test for the chanterelle of my 8c Renaissance lute (600mm). It works great as well. I have found plenty of inexpensive replacements for other strings too, among fishing lines and guitar strings if you do a little calculating and choose conservatively. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Wim Loos Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 2:09 PM To: LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Chanterelle Dear all, I ´m looking to string my 7c renaissance lute, string length 60cm (a=415) again. In this moment I use nylgut and pyramid wound strings. Only the chanterelle is nylon while the nylgut string was broken. I considder to use carbon for the chanterelle, does anybody know if is this a good alternative. I hope jou can give me a advise what to do. Thanks in advance, Wim Loos -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle
> On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:56 PM, > wrote: > > I'm sure everyone will be horrified, but I use Ominflex 25lb test nylon > fishing line (from WalMart: about 2 or 3 dollars for a lifetime supply : ) Yes, I do find Walmart a bit horrifying. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle
I'm sure everyone will be horrified, but I use Ominflex 25lb test nylon fishing line (from WalMart: about 2 or 3 dollars for a lifetime supply : ) for the G (1st) string on my 8-string guitar...it works great. I use the 20lb test for the chanterelle of my 8c Renaissance lute (600mm). It works great as well. I have found plenty of inexpensive replacements for other strings too, among fishing lines and guitar strings if you do a little calculating and choose conservatively. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Wim Loos Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 2:09 PM To: LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Chanterelle Dear all, I ´m looking to string my 7c renaissance lute, string length 60cm (a=415) again. In this moment I use nylgut and pyramid wound strings. Only the chanterelle is nylon while the nylgut string was broken. I considder to use carbon for the chanterelle, does anybody know if is this a good alternative. I hope jou can give me a advise what to do. Thanks in advance, Wim Loos -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle
The so called ‘carbon’ strings are made of a material which is denser/heavier than nylon. Hence, for the same tension and pitch, the string will be thinner in gauge and consequently tone. A ‘carbon’ string is likely to be a better choice to use in the place of a string whose tone is too dull i.e. the fundamental of a 3rd or 4th course, especially when not using octave stringing. My $.02! Miles Dempster > On Jan 12, 2019, at 6:39 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: > > The one string/course where a carbon fiber has never worked for me. Too harsh > is a good term. > > Dan Winheld > > On 1/12/2019 2:06 PM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: >> My $.02 >> I find the carbon chanterelle to be on the "harsh" side. >> >> Joseph Mayes >> >> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Wim >> Loos >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:08 PM >> To: LuteNet list >> Subject: [LUTE] Chanterelle >> >>Dear all, >>I ´m looking to string my 7c renaissance lute, string length 60cm >>(a=415) again. In this moment I use nylgut and pyramid wound strings. >>Only the chanterelle is nylon while the nylgut string was broken. >>I considder to use carbon for the chanterelle, does anybody know if is >>this a good alternative. >>I hope jou can give me a advise what to do. >>Thanks in advance, >>Wim Loos >> >>-- >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> > >
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle
The one string/course where a carbon fiber has never worked for me. Too harsh is a good term. Dan Winheld On 1/12/2019 2:06 PM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: My $.02 I find the carbon chanterelle to be on the "harsh" side. Joseph Mayes From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Wim Loos Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:08 PM To: LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Chanterelle Dear all, I ´m looking to string my 7c renaissance lute, string length 60cm (a=415) again. In this moment I use nylgut and pyramid wound strings. Only the chanterelle is nylon while the nylgut string was broken. I considder to use carbon for the chanterelle, does anybody know if is this a good alternative. I hope jou can give me a advise what to do. Thanks in advance, Wim Loos -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle
My $.02 I find the carbon chanterelle to be on the "harsh" side. Joseph Mayes From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Wim Loos Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:08 PM To: LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Chanterelle Dear all, I ´m looking to string my 7c renaissance lute, string length 60cm (a=415) again. In this moment I use nylgut and pyramid wound strings. Only the chanterelle is nylon while the nylgut string was broken. I considder to use carbon for the chanterelle, does anybody know if is this a good alternative. I hope jou can give me a advise what to do. Thanks in advance, Wim Loos -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice?
Bass or any other lean fish with morels is pretty good too. Mmmm... Eugene -Original Message- From: Daniel Winheld [mailto:dwinh...@lmi.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:02 PM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice? To E... is human- but bass with chanterelles is divine! On May 9, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Braig, Eugene wrote: As one who fishes, the only reply possible is E...? Eugene Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice? If Mimmo could sell loaded gut/nylgut bass strings (Bass fishing?) to the fishing industry the availability could go up and the price would come down. 50 meters for 6 Euros anywhere on the planet is fine with me. Dan On May 9, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Luca Manassero wrote: Hi, I am using fishing nylon since now about 4 years with perfectly fine results. It's plain, cheap and sings pretty well. And you can easily buy more than 50 meters for about 6 Euros (at least in Italy). To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice?
Get a micrometer and measure it. You can't string lutes in the dark, and that's where you are without a micrometer. If it's a .38 mm nylgut and your lute requires a .40 or even a .42, you can get those sizes in nylgut. But you have to know where you are in order to go somewhere else. The new generation of nylgut is stronger matches real gut better than the old white stuff. In fact, nylon was recommended for many 1st course applications until the new stuff came out. Anyway, nylon can sound perfectly fine, and if you like the feel of the thicker string at your desired tension it may be the way to go. Dan On May 9, 2012, at 10:57 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: I bought a 7c ren lute strung in Nylgut. I love the Nygut, except for the chanterelle, it just doesn't seem to feel or sing as strongly as I wish - it seems thin. Do others have this problem? If so any suggestions, I've thought of going back to a nylon (which would be thicker?). Thanks in advance trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice?
Dear trj, My first choice is always real gut but there are mitigating factors. Plan B, which includes most of my waking life and lutes, settles on the New Nylgut. I do find it much nicer than the previous incarnation. It's closer to gut's density, tunes (and stays) quicker (and longer) and looks nicer. Be warned, however, you'll need a thinner diameter than the old Nylgut as less of it wraps around the peg and more of it stays between the nut and bridge coming up to pitch. Disclaimer #1. I've only used it about 2 months so there may be things I've yet to learn. Disclaimer #2. I have no connection to Aquila or other gut or synthetic string maker. As for chanterelles, the mushroom, hedgehogs give close to the same flavor and cost a third of the price. Sean On May 9, 2012, at 10:57 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: I bought a 7c ren lute strung in Nylgut. I love the Nygut, except for the chanterelle, it just doesn't seem to feel or sing as strongly as I wish - it seems thin. Do others have this problem? If so any suggestions, I've thought of going back to a nylon (which would be thicker?). Thanks in advance trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice?
Hi, I am using fishing nylon since now about 4 years with perfectly fine results. It's plain, cheap and sings pretty well. And you can easily buy more than 50 meters for about 6 Euros (at least in Italy). Of course, you have to carefully measure the string length of your new lute and use a string calculator to get the right thickness. There's an excellent free lute string calculator here: [1]http://calc.lauten.com/en/strcal_en.htm My case: I have two Renaissance lutes (6 and 8 course) tuned in real g (AD0Hz) with a string length of 63cm. They both use 0.45mm fishing nylon for the first course. Have fun, Luca [2]theoj89...@aol.com on 09/05/12 19.57 wrote: I bought a 7c ren lute strung in Nylgut. I love the Nygut, except for the chante relle, it just doesn't seem to feel or sing as strongly as I wish - it seems thi n. Do others have this problem? If so any suggestions, I've thought of going bac k to a nylon (which would be thicker?). Thanks in advance trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://calc.lauten.com/en/strcal_en.htm 2. mailto:theoj89...@aol.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice?
Dan's right about the micrometer. If you're in the US a digital micrometer (or caliper - useful for measuring the fret height, too!) is cheap at Harbor Freight and one should be in everyone's string box. I don't know how they did it in the old days but 3 cheers for modern metrics (and dentistry). Disclaimer #3. I don't work for Harbor Freight. Sean On May 9, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Daniel Winheld wrote: Get a micrometer and measure it. You can't string lutes in the dark, and that's where you are without a micrometer. If it's a .38 mm nylgut and your lute requires a .40 or even a .42, you can get those sizes in nylgut. But you have to know where you are in order to go somewhere else. The new generation of nylgut is stronger matches real gut better than the old white stuff. In fact, nylon was recommended for many 1st course applications until the new stuff came out. Anyway, nylon can sound perfectly fine, and if you like the feel of the thicker string at your desired tension it may be the way to go. Dan On May 9, 2012, at 10:57 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: I bought a 7c ren lute strung in Nylgut. I love the Nygut, except for the chanterelle, it just doesn't seem to feel or sing as strongly as I wish - it seems thin. Do others have this problem? If so any suggestions, I've thought of going back to a nylon (which would be thicker?). Thanks in advance trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice?
My problem with a nylgut chanerelle was that it broke too easily (perhaps too thin?). Chris of Catlines recommended a Pyramid first string, nylon I believe. The gauge specified on its cover is 0.475, but my calipers measure it to be about .45 mm. Whatever, it sounds fine with the rest of my nylgut courses. On May 9, 2012, at 1:57 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: I bought a 7c ren lute strung in Nylgut. I love the Nygut, except for the chanterelle, it just doesn't seem to feel or sing as strongly as I wish - it seems thin. Do others have this problem? If so any suggestions, I've thought of going back to a nylon (which would be thicker?). Thanks in advance trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice?
Hi Ted, I string my 8 course lute, currently in synthetics. I use a nylon treble, and it works quite well. ed At 12:57 PM 5/9/2012, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: I bought a 7c ren lute strung in Nylgut. I love the Nygut, except for the chanterelle, it just doesn't seem to feel or sing as strongly as I wish - it seems thin. Do others have this problem? If so any suggestions, I've thought of going back to a nylon (which would be thicker?). Thanks in advance trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice?
If Mimmo could sell loaded gut/nylgut bass strings (Bass fishing?) to the fishing industry the availability could go up and the price would come down. 50 meters for 6 Euros anywhere on the planet is fine with me. Dan On May 9, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Luca Manassero wrote: Hi, I am using fishing nylon since now about 4 years with perfectly fine results. It's plain, cheap and sings pretty well. And you can easily buy more than 50 meters for about 6 Euros (at least in Italy). Of course, you have to carefully measure the string length of your new lute and use a string calculator to get the right thickness. There's an excellent free lute string calculator here: [1]http://calc.lauten.com/en/strcal_en.htm My case: I have two Renaissance lutes (6 and 8 course) tuned in real g (AD0Hz) with a string length of 63cm. They both use 0.45mm fishing nylon for the first course. Have fun, Luca [2]theoj89...@aol.com on 09/05/12 19.57 wrote: I bought a 7c ren lute strung in Nylgut. I love the Nygut, except for the chante relle, it just doesn't seem to feel or sing as strongly as I wish - it seems thi n. Do others have this problem? If so any suggestions, I've thought of going bac k to a nylon (which would be thicker?). Thanks in advance trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://calc.lauten.com/en/strcal_en.htm 2. mailto:theoj89...@aol.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice?
As one who fishes, the only reply possible is E...? Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Winheld Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:52 PM To: Luca Manassero Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice? If Mimmo could sell loaded gut/nylgut bass strings (Bass fishing?) to the fishing industry the availability could go up and the price would come down. 50 meters for 6 Euros anywhere on the planet is fine with me. Dan On May 9, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Luca Manassero wrote: Hi, I am using fishing nylon since now about 4 years with perfectly fine results. It's plain, cheap and sings pretty well. And you can easily buy more than 50 meters for about 6 Euros (at least in Italy). Of course, you have to carefully measure the string length of your new lute and use a string calculator to get the right thickness. There's an excellent free lute string calculator here: [1]http://calc.lauten.com/en/strcal_en.htm My case: I have two Renaissance lutes (6 and 8 course) tuned in real g (AD0Hz) with a string length of 63cm. They both use 0.45mm fishing nylon for the first course. Have fun, Luca [2]theoj89...@aol.com on 09/05/12 19.57 wrote: I bought a 7c ren lute strung in Nylgut. I love the Nygut, except for the chante relle, it just doesn't seem to feel or sing as strongly as I wish - it seems thi n. Do others have this problem? If so any suggestions, I've thought of going bac k to a nylon (which would be thicker?). Thanks in advance trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://calc.lauten.com/en/strcal_en.htm 2. mailto:theoj89...@aol.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice?
To E... is human- but bass with chanterelles is divine! On May 9, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Braig, Eugene wrote: As one who fishes, the only reply possible is E...? Eugene Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chanterelle choice? If Mimmo could sell loaded gut/nylgut bass strings (Bass fishing?) to the fishing industry the availability could go up and the price would come down. 50 meters for 6 Euros anywhere on the planet is fine with me. Dan On May 9, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Luca Manassero wrote: Hi, I am using fishing nylon since now about 4 years with perfectly fine results. It's plain, cheap and sings pretty well. And you can easily buy more than 50 meters for about 6 Euros (at least in Italy). To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
