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From: Sam Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:40 AM
To: Andrew Gibbs
Cc: Lute List
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Temperament wondering...
In any tempered fretting system that's been worked out properly you
need to first set the frets, then tune
: [LUTE] Re: Temperament wondering...
In any tempered fretting system that's been worked out properly you
need to first set the frets, then tune the strings to each other in
perfect octaves or unisons, since these intervals must be pure in all schemes.
If you insist on all unisons and all
/10/08, Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Temperament wondering...
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 11:12 AM
You're right, Rainer - but just in case there's any
misunderstanding
You're right - it's not a circular process if the fretting system has
been worked out properly. As I said, I've been using David van
Ooijen's instructions for tuning in 1/6 comma and it's a straight-
forward process.
But I was referring to the historical instructions found on the LSA
Fret
Ah...I see what you mean Andrew!
In reply to Rainer, Martin and Martyn: perhaps I'm being incredibly
naive, but I've always managed to tune octaves and unisons on my
theorbo with no beating, whether or not I set the frets equal or to
some variety of meantone. Of course I don't count, for example,
Thanks andrew, but i have a problem with LSA file, i see every thing
as 0, beside the english...
i used both office 2008 and Neoofice, and it showed me the same thing.
might be becuase I'm a mac user...
On Oct 2, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Andrew Gibbs wrote:
Hello Omer
I've been tackling this issue
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks andrew, but i have a problem with LSA file, i see every thing as 0,
beside the english...
More than you'll ever need:
http://www.netcat.li/instrument-tuner/TemperamentTables.html
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The LSA file works on my mac - but I found those historical
instructions for placing frets weren't really that useful - I think
some are inaccurate (Dowland's doesn't seem to make much sense). And
there's no instructions on how to tune the open strings - so if you
don't know what temperament
Actually, Dowland's tuning is quite sensible. The rule of 18 sets a
lute (in theory, neglecting string stretch caused by sideways
displacement at the finger and fret) to very-nearly equal temperament.
Apparently, the stretch added by actually fingering the strings brings
it very very close.
This
That does sound sensible - and ingenious - but from recollection, the
measurements given by the LSA chart for Dowland's lute gave a narrow
distance between the second and third frets, which didn't sound much
like ET to me - and generally didn't seem to produce a pattern of
proportionally reduced
OK, I'm stupid this week. Sorry. Rule of 18 is from Vincenzo Galilei
and predates the Varietie of Lute lessons. I'll check dowland's tuning
when I get home and see if I can make sense of it as well.
Interestingly, Doctor Oakroot remarked on possible inaccuracies in
Dowland's tuning instructions
In any tempered fretting system that's been worked out properly you
need to first set the frets, then tune the strings to each other in
perfect octaves or unisons, since these intervals must be pure in all
schemes. If this doesn't work and your lute sounds out of tune, then
the fret placement has
Hello Omer
I've been tackling this issue myself recently. I started by trying
some historical instructions for fret placement (found on the The
Lute Society of America Fret Placement Spreadsheet):
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/download/index.html
I found, after a lot of trial and error, that
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