[LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"

[Tristan von Neumann]

I'm glad I joined in time. *scnr*

Can someone objectively explain the "bone of contention" to me please, 
so I can lean back with a bucket of popcorn? :)



Am 11.09.2017 um 16:50 schrieb G. C.:

Well, one little flame war every 25 years or so is not too bad! :)

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[LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"

[G. C.]

   Well, one little flame war every 25 years or so is not too bad! :)

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[LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"

[Rainer]

Members of this mailing list who joined in the 1990s already certainly remember 
the flame wars between Matanya Ophee (spelling?) and NN.

Not again...

Rainer


On 11.09.2017 15:41, Daniel Shoskes wrote:



On Sep 11, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
<mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>> on behalf of Daniel Shoskes <kidneykut...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 11:48 PM
To: Lute List
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"
  

Oh well, then I guess we’ll just have to have a rocking good time without you.


Which seems to be the point of your public exercise in gloating.  But I can 
assure you we are beyond caring. Really.


Pretty self contradictory, but congratulations.


Many apologies to the list for this discussion.  But since it was brought up by 
a person who is speaking for LSA,


Nope, I don’t speak for the LSA



Meanwhile, I re-state my offer to publicly debate you, Daniel, or your 
designee, on any point pertaining to performance of historical repertory for 
voice and lute.


Nope, wasn’t your offer. Won’t reproduce it here. Probably wouldn’t get through 
the profanity filter. If anyone actually cares (which I doubt) I can share by 
private email.

Best wishes for your upcoming concerts and great future success.


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[LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"

[Daniel Shoskes]

> On Sep 11, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> 
> <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>> on behalf of 
> Daniel Shoskes <kidneykut...@gmail.com <mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 11:48 PM
> To: Lute List
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"
>  
> >Oh well, then I guess we’ll just have to have a rocking good time without 
> >you.
> 
> Which seems to be the point of your public exercise in gloating.  But I can 
> assure you we are beyond caring. Really.

Pretty self contradictory, but congratulations. 
> 
> Many apologies to the list for this discussion.  But since it was brought up 
> by a person who is speaking for LSA,

Nope, I don’t speak for the LSA 

> 
> Meanwhile, I re-state my offer to publicly debate you, Daniel, or your 
> designee, on any point pertaining to performance of historical repertory for 
> voice and lute.  

Nope, wasn’t your offer. Won’t reproduce it here. Probably wouldn’t get 
through the profanity filter. If anyone actually cares (which I doubt) I can 
share by private email.

Best wishes for your upcoming concerts and great future success.


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[LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"

[Ido Shdaimah]

   I find the usage of "rock" in a lute list when speaking of Renaissance
   music mildly amusing, I must admit.
   :)

   On Sep 11, 2017 02:48, "Daniel Shoskes" <[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 Oh well, then I guess we'll just have to have a rocking good time
 without you.
 > On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Ron Andrico
 <[2]praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >Subtitled "The predictable genetic effects of inbreeding".
 >  
 __
 >
 >From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 <[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
 >of Daniel Shoskes <[5]kidneykut...@gmail.com>
 >Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:24 PM
 >To: Dan Winheld; Lute List
     >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting
 Effect"
 >
 >Indeed it does. And will again in June when not only do we get
 to host
 >the LSA summer seminar, but the Pat O'Brien Lectureship will be
 devoted
 >to lute song (Sting optional)!
 >> On Sep 10, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Dan Winheld <[6]dwinh...@lmi.net>
 wrote:
 >>
 >> CLEVELAND ROCKS!
 >>
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[LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"

[Daniel Shoskes]

Oh well, then I guess we’ll just have to have a rocking good time without you.

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   Subtitled "The predictable genetic effects of inbreeding".
> __
> 
>   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
>   of Daniel Shoskes <kidneykut...@gmail.com>
>   Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:24 PM
>   To: Dan Winheld; Lute List
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"
> 
>   Indeed it does. And will again in June when not only do we get to host
>   the LSA summer seminar, but the Pat O’Brien Lectureship will be devoted
>   to lute song (Sting optional)!
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:
>> 
>> CLEVELAND ROCKS!
>> 
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[LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"

[Daniel Shoskes]

Indeed it does. And will again in June when not only do we get to host the LSA 
summer seminar, but the Pat O’Brien Lectureship will be devoted to lute song 
(Sting optional)!

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Dan Winheld  wrote:
> 
> CLEVELAND ROCKS!
> 




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[LUTE] Re: Voices and lute in Cleveland - was "Sting Effect"

[Dan Winheld]

CLEVELAND ROCKS!

On 9/10/2017 11:55 AM, Ron Andrico wrote:

Since another on this list has found occasion to use this list to drop
names and advertise events in Cleveland, I'll announce to those who may
be interested in the better sort of music circa 1500 that we are
performing a concert in Cleveland Sunday September 17th.
We'll be featuring music of Binchois, DuFay, Hayne von Ghizeghem,
Ockeghem, and Josquin.  We have assembled a fine vocal ensemble that
includes Jay White, a former member of the ensemble Chanticleer, and
also David J. Rothenberg, chair of the music department at Case Western
Reserve University, author of  _The Flower of Paradise: Marian Devotion
and Secular Song in Medieval and Renaissance Music_, published by
Oxford University Press - and also a lutenist.   We'll be performing
several pieces Rothenberg mentions in his book, including Josquin's
Missa D'ung aultre amer, and Stabat Mater dolorosa.
If anyone has questions or would like more specific information, just
write me personally.
RA
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  on behalf
of Timothy Swain 
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 9:14 AM
To: Leonard Williams
Cc: Lute List
Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Sting Effect" (was Direwolf Hall)

   This was interesting (among all the responses that I deleted...) to
   someone who was involved in the early years of lutes & luting...I
knew
   Robert Lundberg BEFORE he knew a thing about lutes! (He died of
cancer
   in 2001, God rest him...) & the book that was published a few months
   after he died, HISTORICAL LUTE CONSTRUCTION by the Guild of American
   Lutheirs: Daniel Shoskes is right--& the blissfully talented large
   number of very gifted lutenists! I'm reminded of the first lute I
had,
   a GLUTE (terrible thing!) & watched Bob & his wife as they plunged
into
   lutes, going to Europe many times, the course he taught in Germany
over
   10 years--surely lutes deserve all this attention, good bad or
   indifferent! Praise be!
   Timothy Swain
   On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Leonard Williams
   <[1]arc...@verizon.net> wrote:
 I've always enjoyed Sting's musical offerings, and was
 encouraged by his
 lute diversion.   However, I was quite disappointed to see a close
 up of
 him in some sort of ensemble with a third fret very obviously
loose
 and
 surely buzzin' like bee.   I would like to have seen him take a
 second to
 slide it into place.
 Leonard
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