[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-05 Thread David Tayler
I had the rad treatment for the soundboards in our two harpsichords. I think it really makes a difference for harpsichords, no experience with lute tops. The harpsichords sounded more like original instruments, of course that is the now old but then was new dilemma. dt To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-04 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Sean and all I am glad you did not hang back any longer. I have also broken-in a Martin Haycock lute. I now wish I had taken notes, over that period. We could have compared. I am sorry to hear about your shoulder injury, I hope it has not been too detrimental to your

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-04 Thread David van Ooijen
entering the question of ageing, and whether pre-aged wood, before an instrument has been built, gives the same result as can be obtained by buying a very old instrument. A maker here in Holland used radiation to age wood. Apparently if you leave it long enough under X-ray (or whatever, I

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-03 Thread Arthur Ness
: howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear Mace actually warns of the dangers of plopping down carelessly on a bed with a lute in it, remarking that he has seen several lutes

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread Anthony Hind
Le 2 nov. 08 à 12:52, Nigel Solomon a écrit : Rob MacKillop wrote: Other break-in methods include buying it a present on its birthday, setting a place for it at the dinner table, tying tinsel on it at Christmas, and, yes, allowing it to sleep with you when it is feeling low.

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread Anthony Hind
Yes, Stephen reminded me Mace does suggest storing your lute in your bed! (Can't find the quotation right now) Just must remember it's sleeping there... Anthony Le 2 nov. 08 à 11:56, Rob MacKillop a écrit : Other break-in methods include buying it a present on its birthday, setting a place

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread Anthony Hind
Daniel I think David Tayler's experiment may show how the two processes, (1) the break-in of the lute and (2) the response to the lute of the lutist (if he is closely monitoring his playing to produce the best resonances) could be linked. It is also possible that a forced break-in

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread Nigel Solomon
Rob MacKillop wrote: Other break-in methods include buying it a present on its birthday, setting a place for it at the dinner table, tying tinsel on it at Christmas, and, yes, allowing it to sleep with you when it is feeling low. Follow this, and your lute will love you forever.

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread howard posner
Mace actually warns of the dangers of plopping down carelessly on a bed with a lute in it, remarking that he has seen several lutes spoil'd with such a trick or words to that effect. I used to have the passage glued to my lute case, but that was a couple of decades and a couple of baroque

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread ml
hi, Howard, what do you mean with passage glued to my lute case? Manolo El 02/11/2008, a las 15:36, howard posner escribió: Mace actually warns of the dangers of plopping down carelessly on a bed with a lute in it, remarking that he has seen several lutes spoil'd with such a trick or

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread howard posner
On Nov 2, 2008, at 9:06 AM, ml wrote: hi, Howard, what do you mean with passage glued to my lute case? I mean I photocopied the pages from Mace, cut out the parts about keeping the lute in a bed but being careful not to flop down on it, and glued them to the case. -- To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread ml
ha, ha, ha...! nice story! so you did need a reminder, did you? El 02/11/2008, a las 19:36, howard posner escribió: On Nov 2, 2008, at 9:06 AM, ml wrote: hi, Howard, what do you mean with passage glued to my lute case? I mean I photocopied the pages from Mace, cut out the parts about

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-02 Thread Sean Smith
I have been hanging back on this thread but thoroughly enjoying it. Having broken in a very nice 6c by M. Haycock since 2001 it supports a few ideas I have had too. I've played it almost every day since, usually for hours at stretch, always w/ roped gut bases and mostly gutted throughout

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-01 Thread Anthony Hind
Thanks David, I will certainly try that, and I think many people will benefit from your thoughts on this issue. Le 1 nov. 08 à 01:19, David Tayler a écrit : One very good excercise to break in a lute is to hold the lute in your lap with the soundboard facing the ceiling (if you have one).

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-01 Thread Rob MacKillop
I'm not so sure about the idea of beating a lute into submission...maybe we should concentrate more on breaking in the lute player? Each new instrument can teach us a lot, if we have ears to learn. I have to subtly change my RH technique with every instrument I play. Each instrument

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-01 Thread Sauvage Valéry
I agree 100% Rob ;-) Val - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear I'm not so sure about the idea

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-01 Thread Martin Shepherd
Me too. M Sauvage Valéry wrote: I agree 100% Rob ;-) Val - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-01 Thread Anthony Hind
Rob I enjoyed your funny story, in chalk-scraping-on-the- blackboard sort of way, and can empathize with your feelings about handing your lutes 'n guitars over to other players. I have had a problem with handing my gut strung lute over to one or two synthetics users who tended to

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-01 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Rob, Martin, Val and all Only a second thought about second hand lutes: Of course I see what you mean about avoiding them, in that if breaking-in is frequency and pattern dependent, then each player would break-in a lute differently (and be broken-in by the lute differently).

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-01 Thread Martin Shepherd
Just another afterthought - as a lutemaker I get a bit worried by this word breaking being bandied about so much! Michael Lowe reckons he spent the first 30 years of his career making lutes, the second 30 mending them... Martin Anthony Hind wrote: Dear Rob, Martin, Val and all Only a

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-01 Thread Anthony Hind
Martin Breaking-in seems to be the expression used on violin sites, perhaps a Le 1 nov. 08 à 18:54, Martin Shepherd a écrit : Just another afterthought - as a lutemaker I get a bit worried by this word breaking being bandied about so much! Michael Lowe reckons he spent the first

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-11-01 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Martin Your remark left me wondering whether you do not believe that a process of change can take place which makes the lute better respond, resonating more freely (as David Tayler has explained), or whether it is just the expression, breaking-in (which is of course an

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-10-31 Thread Anthony Hind
range vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. Somebody on the French lute site mentioned recently that Paul O'Dette plays every position on every string (i.e. working up and down the neck)

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-10-31 Thread Mathias Rösel
FWIW, it took my swan neck _years_ to break in. Mathias Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: range vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. Somebody on the French lute site mentioned

[LUTE] Re: breaking-in a lute, not linear

2008-10-31 Thread David Tayler
One very good excercise to break in a lute is to hold the lute in your lap with the soundboard facing the ceiling (if you have one). Start by plucking a very slow but firm rest stroke on the second course till you get one bell like, clean sound. Use the index finger, pulling towards you. Adjust