[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-22 Thread demery
On Thu, May 21, 2009, angevin...@att.net said: What the lute world lacks is a great pedagogue. not entirely convinced of that. We have some folk who are paying their dues and earning my respect, Ron McFarlane being just one. His column in the LSA Q, his videos, and his dedication to not

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-22 Thread Ed Durbrow
On May 22, 2009, at 1:29 AM, chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Roman, Pat is indeed a great pedagogue, but only available regularly to those in NYC. Word has it that he's been working on a method book for the past 30 years or so. No plans for release in

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-21 Thread chriswilke
Stephen, You've hit the nail on the head as far as lute tutors. I never used a method book. Instead, I sought out some very good teachers. Even though I would often drive for hours to take a lesson, I was fortunate to live so close to people who knew what they were doing.

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-21 Thread demery
On Thu, May 21, 2009, chriswi...@yahoo.com said: here's 150 pieces, including virtuoso fantasias by Dowland and Milano; Some of that is useful, both as a challenge, and giving notes to what you have memorized from recordings. Also, often times its what makes the book interesting to a

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-21 Thread angevinews
A major problem is that those who would do this best are struggling to stay awake at the wheel as they drive from one gig to another, paying bills and eating the small profits. Frederick Noads books for Guitar come to mind, The lute world has great performers. The lute world has great

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-21 Thread Roman Turovsky
Have you ever heard of Pat O'Brien? RT From: angevin...@att.net The lute world has great performers. The lute world has great teachers for those in the more advanced states of learning. What the lute world lacks is a great pedagogue. Some one with the depth of teaching experience and

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-21 Thread chriswilke
, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Subject: [LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players To: angevin...@att.net, lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 12:18 PM Have you

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-21 Thread Roman Turovsky
PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players Roman, Pat is indeed a great pedagogue, but only available regularly to those in NYC. Word has it that he's been working on a method book for the past 30 years or so. No plans for release in the foreseeable future

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-21 Thread David Rastall
On May 21, 2009, at 12:02 PM, angevin...@att.net wrote: The lute world has great performers. The lute world has great teachers for those in the more advanced states of learning. What the lute world lacks is a great pedagogue. Some one with the depth of teaching experience and knowledge

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-21 Thread angevinews
I don't really disagree with any of this. But just because lute method books are not adequate in and of themselves without some form of guided instruction from a teacher, does NOT mean that they would not be of benefit, even very great benefit, to people between their lessons 2 or 3 times a year.

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-21 Thread David Tayler
; [1]lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:29:44 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players Roman, Pat is indeed a great pedagogue, but only available regularly to those

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-20 Thread Rob MacKillop
2009/5/19 Martin Shepherd [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk More, please! Sure, but we also need to hear from the shy lurkers here as to what they would like us to cover. And you yourself, Martin, could have something more tailored to lute players on your site, if time and energy

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-20 Thread Stephen Arndt
Dear Rob, As one definitely in the not-so-advanced (yes, you may say that) category, I greatly appreciate your efforts. It was very interesting and instructive to get a glimpse of the kind of things you keep in mind when approaching a piece, and I for one would welcome any and all forms of help

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-20 Thread Ron Fletcher
shy lurker -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Arndt Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:18 PM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players Dear Rob, As one definitely

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-20 Thread angevinews
I guess I would consider myself more of an early intermediate player now, but I remember clearly the time of being a beginner - one living far away from a teacher or anybody else who played lute really. These are the things that I wanted, or that I think would have helped me more.

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-20 Thread Rob MacKillop
This is all good food for thought. I'm sure there are players on this list who could help. For thumb under technique I would look at Valerie Sauvage's videos. I don't play thumb under myself, in fact I find it impossible. A close up video would indeed be helpful. I'll try to do some

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-20 Thread David van Ooijen
Two days a week I teach guitar. For my really young pupils and their mothers (fathers?) I made a few videos explaining and showing basic techniques and exercises. These children are too young to remember my instructions for the week in between lessons, are often awed or distracted in the lessons

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-20 Thread Steve Ramey
__ From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: Rob MacKillop luteplay...@googlemail.com Cc: angevin...@att.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:46:31 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

[LUTE] Re: help for 'improving' lute and vihuela players

2009-05-19 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Rob, You're right, we don't discuss these things enough, and these duos are the ideal place to start. One of the frustrations of the lute net is how we get sidetracked by the complexities of technique, often of very difficult pieces, while ignoring the fundamentals of trying to make