I always thought is was a joint conspiracy between the people of Atlantis
and Space Aliens.
Vance Wood.
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From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LUTE-LIST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: charango as vihuela
Hi
Hi,
the theory I have heard about affirms a small group of chinese monks
were in America c. 450, not c. 1430. Is that another theory?
Check _1421 The Year China Discovered America_ by Gavin Menzies,
Perennial Harper Collins Publications.
--
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
The difference between a vihuela and a charango (I own one, which still has
the animal's ears on...) is the same as that between a piano and an organ
transplant: they sort of look the same, kind of have the same purpose, and
are just as related to each other as we all are on this planet: 7
No, that conspiracy concerned passing shrubbery for trees.
RT
I always thought is was a joint conspiracy between the people of Atlantis
and Space Aliens.
Vance Wood.
Hi,
the theory I have heard about affirms a small group of chinese monks
were in America c. 450, not c. 1430. Is that another
Like music in a Suitcase?
VW
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From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: charango as vihuela
No, that conspiracy concerned passing shrubbery for trees
At 11:57 PM -0700 9/11/04, Vance Wood wrote:
the Pipa is the
instrument I had in mind. The point being that no one is making the
argument that this instrument is in any way related to the European Lute
even though it looks very much like one.
Why exclude that possibility? They both may have
May I ask what this discussion aims at? When you'll have found out the charango has,
or has not, developed from the vihuela, what will you do with it?
Does the charango need noble ;) ancestors? If I were in your place and had comprable
love for the charango, I think I wouldn't hesitate to play
With the theory out there that the Chinese visited the Americas c. 1430, including the
Pacific coasts, perhaps the Pipa is the ancestor of the charango! :^)
Leonard Williams
Dear bill,
Just a few final comments on your final comments.
2 - one of the luthiers who responded privately said
the term vihuela and guitar were interchangeable
terms
in south america and in the case of argentina,
vihuela
meant guitar right until the end of the 19th cent..
A name is
dear group -
my love of small stringed instruments has led me to the wonderful world of the
charango. i've come to suspect, however, that charango is merely a word
south americans give to a european vihuela de mano. i tried soliciting
comment on this idea from charango sources in south
kilpatrickbill
i've come to suspect, however, that charango is merely a word
south americans give to a european vihuela de mano.
it would also be fair to say that contributors to wayne's lute list
have proved somewhat cool to the idea.
may i ask for your opinion?
Are you talking about the
: Re: charango as vihuela
kilpatrickbill
i've come to suspect, however, that charango is merely a word
south americans give to a european vihuela de mano.
it would also be fair to say that contributors to wayne's lute list
have proved somewhat cool to the idea.
may i ask for your
Not wishing necessarily to inject another option into the mix, I think
sometimes we tend to look at some instruments from a European/Western point
of view and give little credit to the countries where some of the
instruments in question can be, or were found. We look at these instruments
as
Is it not possible that the Charango existed
before the Spanish and Portuguese influence became dominant in the area, and
only after words did it evolve into something tuned to please European
influence?
Nope. FYI, there were no string instruments in the Americas before we came
along.
RT
European influence? Best example I know is an instrument, the name of which
escapes me, played by the Chinese. It looks very much like a lute but is
much older, and as far as I know not influenced by European contact.
Unless there is some new evidence that I do not know about, I have
long
the
Charango be related to the Vihuela?
Vance Wood.
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From: Gordon J. Callon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: charango as vihuela
European influence? Best example I know
: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: charango as vihuela
Is it not possible that the Charango existed
before the Spanish and Portuguese influence became dominant in the area,
and
only after words did it evolve
I think you are deeply mistaken. Everybody knows that PANIR is not STILTON,
but everybody knows that both are CHEESE.
RT
The point being that no one is making the
argument that this instrument is in any way related to the European Lute
even though it looks very much like one.
The same goes for Bill. Try to use STILTON instead MOZZARELLA DI BUFALA in
your caprese, and see just how yummy it would be.
RT
I think you are deeply mistaken. Everybody knows that PANIR is not STILTON,
but everybody knows that both are CHEESE.
RT
The point being that no one is making the
This is what You wrote:
We look at these instruments as the bastard offspring of something European
settlers/conquerors brought to the area. Is it impossible that they were
developed independently of European influence? Best example I know is an
instrument, the name of which escapes me, played
--- kilpatrickbill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
escribió:
dear group -
my love of small stringed instruments has led me to
the wonderful world of the
charango. i've come to suspect, however, that
charango is merely a word
south americans give to a european vihuela de mano.
i tried soliciting
Oops, sorry for the first message
Dear Bill,
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news: the charango
has nothing to do with the vihuela, other than the
fact that both are stringed instruments. If you are so
keen as to find some ancestor for the charango, as
Howard has correctly suggested, I
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