[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-30 Thread tristanvonneumann 


   No. 131 in Siena MS.

   I recorded it as a sight reading challengeplease ignore the errors.

   https://tristanvonneumann.bandcamp.com/track/sight-reading-challenge-si
   ena-ms-ricercar-131



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   What is the longest lute piece in history?
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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread Susan Price 
   What about the famous Falckenhagen Prelude in all keys? It takes me
   about 26min to play.

   Susan

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   What is the longest lute piece in history?
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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread jo.luedtke 
   I unterstand the point, but he was (at last so I unterstand) also an
   active performer. And: the Bergamasca variations for keyboard by
   Frescobaldi come in the print publication with a  remark that you will
   have learned a lot after you have  played them through. Would that make
   them mere pedagocial stuff?
   As for the longest non-variation piece for lute: this is (mit an
   Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit) either the Gavotta nimis
   endlesslia by Irenaeus Taubengraus or the third movement from
   Donnerstag aus Lärm by this contemporary composer... What was his
   Name... Expedit ex Memoria..
   Best
   Reichert Versbold von Lüdtkenswalde

   Am 29.08.2020 18:10 schrieb Christopher Stetson
   :

Wasn't Vincenzo known mostly as a theoretician? Should we see
 this more
as a treatise on writing variations than intended for public
performance?
On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 11:56 AM Sarge Gerbode
 <[1]sa...@gerbode.net>
wrote:
  I think this one wins the prize, but I am not sure variations
 on
  this
  kind should win, as they are a sort of grab bag one could
 select
  from
  for any particular performance. I think even a Renaissance
 audience
  would be put to sleep by an hour-long set of variations.
  So what's the longest non-variation piece?
  --Sarge
  On 8/29/2020 6:56 AM, G. C. wrote:
  > Vincenzo Galilei wrote 100 variations over the Romanesca,
 which
  would take more
  > than one hour to perform
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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread guy_and_liz Smith 
Someone asked this question at one of Jacob Heringman's LSA classes, and he 
mentioned an intabulation by Bakfark that ran something like 17 minutes. Don't 
recall the title.

Guy

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I think this one wins the prize, but I am not sure variations on this 
kind should win, as they are a sort of grab bag one could select from 
for any particular performance. I think even a Renaissance audience 
would be put to sleep by an hour-long set of variations.

So what's the longest non-variation piece?

--Sarge

On 8/29/2020 6:56 AM, G. C. wrote:
> Vincenzo Galilei wrote 100 variations over the Romanesca, which would take 
> more
> than one hour to perform
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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread Christopher Stetson 
   Wasn't Vincenzo known mostly as a theoretician? Should we see this more
   as a treatise on writing variations than intended for public
   performance?

   On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 11:56 AM Sarge Gerbode <[1]sa...@gerbode.net>
   wrote:

 I think this one wins the prize, but I am not sure variations on
 this
 kind should win, as they are a sort of grab bag one could select
 from
 for any particular performance. I think even a Renaissance audience
 would be put to sleep by an hour-long set of variations.
 So what's the longest non-variation piece?
 --Sarge
 On 8/29/2020 6:56 AM, G. C. wrote:
 > Vincenzo Galilei wrote 100 variations over the Romanesca, which
 would take more
 > than one hour to perform
 >
 >  On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 2:54 PM G. C.
 <[1][2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread Sarge Gerbode 
I think this one wins the prize, but I am not sure variations on this 
kind should win, as they are a sort of grab bag one could select from 
for any particular performance. I think even a Renaissance audience 
would be put to sleep by an hour-long set of variations.


So what's the longest non-variation piece?

--Sarge

On 8/29/2020 6:56 AM, G. C. wrote:

Vincenzo Galilei wrote 100 variations over the Romanesca, which would take more
than one hour to perform

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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread magnus andersson 
   Two very long pieces - of excellent quality - are Hans Newsidler ´s
   version of "Alexander" in his second book of 1536,
   as well as the first set of passamezzo antico variations by Melchior
   Newsidler in Philip Agricola ´s lute book.
   Der Alexander takes me at least 20 minutes to play through and the 16
   pages of the Passamezzi as well if I remember correctly.
   Best,
   Magnus

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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread G. C. 
Vincenzo Galilei wrote 100 variations over the Romanesca, which would take more
than one hour to perform

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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread G. C. 
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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread Christopher Stetson 
   The Scottish Hunts Upp?   Or maybe it just seems that way.

   On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 9:22 AM Mathias Rösel
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Roman,
IIRC, there's a notorious fantasy in the Siena ms.
Mathias

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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread Andre Nieuwlaat 
   Not counting any suites, which are made up of separate pieces, the
   longest single piece that I know is a ricercar in the Siena lute book.
   The score (over 400 bars) is available at
   [1]http://www.gerbode.net/sources/NL-DHgm_gemeentemuseum_den_hage/MS_28
   .B.39_siena_lute_book_1590/pdf/ N0. 131
   I should add however that the Siena ricercar seems to be a composite,
   made up of various sections from already existing pieces that were more
   or less 'glued together'. Some time ago, I identified two: one source
   for the ricercar is Fantasia Prima from Adriaenssen 1584, another one
   is a fantasia that is found in two sources only: Marsh and
   Thistlethwaite. Both quotations are very lengthy (dozens of bars) and
   exact. I am at the moment trying to identify other pieces that were
   used for the Siena ricercar.
   André
   Op za 29 aug. 2020 om 15:06 schreef <[2]r.turov...@gmail.com>:

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[LUTE] Re: A trivia question

2020-08-29 Thread Mathias Rösel 
   Roman,
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