[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)
Thanks to those who pointed out the errors in my manner of inserting interpolations - in fact, I did try to do something like this by putting in spaces and inserting a dash before my comments, but much was lost by the system not copying how I separated text (eg see the extract below). And I don't understand why this is either.. regards Martyn On Saturday, 5 September 2020, 17:52:20 BST, Ralf Mattes wrote: On 05.09.20 18:29, G. C. wrote: > PS What might also be good, would be the ability to send parts of > messages in bold/italic etc which the current system seems to > put into > plain text. For example, my interpolations here would be clearer > if put > in bold. Why ignore the de-facto standard that exist for quotes in mails since the beginning of time (long before "the internet" became a thing). Quotes are prefixed with '>' (or, if you insist, with '|'). That way you can even quote quotes etc. Any decent mail client will do this automatically when you chose to 'reply' to an email. >You could yourself have made them clearer by putting marks like plus >signs or asterisks or whatever at beginning and end. I know that >separating text doesn't seem to work sometimes, and don't understand >why that is. >G. Cheers, Ralf Mattes To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)
This is where I have some disagreement. Having a purely personal effort is great but fragile. If there was an international Lute body then it would be great. There isn't. So, who wants to take on the personal responsibility that Wayne has for all these years. My experience from running a number of these is that the personal efforts tend to die when the person doing it looses interest. But, maybe this one will be different. Anyway, it will be interesting to see where this goes. David -Original Message- From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Alain Veylit Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 10:02 AM Cc: 'lutelist Net' Subject: [LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious) I totally agree with the below: On 9/5/20 9:16 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > 6) Should the list/forum be maintained as a separate effort, or should > it be rolled into the LSA, etc.? > - Being a truly international list has been a great > feature and strength of Wayne's system and ought to continue as such > without necessarily being held by any one national society.body > (e.g. sponsorship, personal vs. organizational liability, domain > ownership/transferability, futureproofing, and user > rules/guidelines) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)
I totally agree with the below: On 9/5/20 9:16 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: 6) Should the list/forum be maintained as a separate effort, or should it be rolled into the LSA, etc.? - Being a truly international list has been a great feature and strength of Wayne's system and ought to continue as such without necessarily being held by any one national society.body (e.g. sponsorship, personal vs. organizational liability, domain ownership/transferability, futureproofing, and user rules/guidelines) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)
On 05.09.20 18:29, G. C. wrote: PS What might also be good, would be the ability to send parts of messages in bold/italic etc which the current system seems to put into plain text. For example, my interpolations here would be clearer if put in bold. Why ignore the de-facto standard that exist for quotes in mails since the beginning of time (long before "the internet" became a thing). Quotes are prefixed with '>' (or, if you insist, with '|'). That way you can even quote quotes etc. Any decent mail client will do this automatically when you chose to 'reply' to an email. You could yourself have made them clearer by putting marks like plus signs or asterisks or whatever at beginning and end. I know that separating text doesn't seem to work sometimes, and don't understand why that is. G. Cheers, Ralf Mattes To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)
PS What might also be good, would be the ability to send parts of messages in bold/italic etc which the current system seems to put into plain text. For example, my interpolations here would be clearer if put in bold. You could yourself have made them clearer by putting marks like plus signs or asterisks or whatever at beginning and end. I know that separating text doesn't seem to work sometimes, and don't understand why that is. G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)
Dear Ron, See my interpolations below. In short, please duplicate as closely as reasonably possible the format and mechanisms etc of Wayne's list regards Martyn On Saturday, 5 September 2020, 16:33:02 BST, Ron Banks wrote: I don't really know who (if anyone) is working on a replacement for the lute list(s) and a classified site, or how far along they've gotten in the process. Also, Wayne's early comments in this thread about not replicating the old list and classified site are also very appropriate, since his sites were based on proprietary code. It might also be a very good time to verify what the community needs really are, as they may have changed since 1998. While I love the portability of this list (and email communications in general), the workload of managing the infrastructure, security (User Registration and Maintenance, Compliance, SPAM/Phishing/DDoS/Site Takeover protection, etc.), and site continuity can also be pretty burdensome, especially if it's an individual effort. I haven't been very active on the list since the 1990's, so I can't really speak to the current community requirements. Other members of the community would certainly be more qualified to answer that, than I would. Some questions that probably need to be addressed (and may have already been answered) are: 1) Is an email-only messaging system preferred - YES (with a separate web site classified page - if really thought necessary)? (e.g. mailman (or similar), with an additional classified/marketplace website) 2) Is the community open to a web-based forum - Personally speaking. an email system like Wayne's seems ideal - with email alerting and an integrated classified section? (e.g. phpbb or similar forum(s) with email notification and a classified section) 3) How many members are currently on the list, and what is their geographic distribution/nationality (e.g. cost, performance, and compliance rightsizing) - Is this really relevant? - people should be able to join and leave as wished 4) How many members could (or would) serve as moderators? - I would volunteer but am afraid I don't have the necessary technical web expertise 5) How many lists/forums would be needed? - Perhaps just one 6) Should the list/forum be maintained as a separate effort, or should it be rolled into the LSA, etc.? - Being a truly international list has been a great feature and strength of Wayne's system and ought to continue as such without necessarily being held by any one national society.body (e.g. sponsorship, personal vs. organizational liability, domain ownership/transferability, futureproofing, and user rules/guidelines) PS What might also be good, would be the ability to send parts of messages in bold/italic etc which the current system seems to put into plain text. For example, my interpolations here would be clearer if put in bold. On 9/5/20, 2:22 AM, "Jurgen Frenz" <[1][email protected]> wrote: I'm a bit confused about the status of this discussion - are we still looking for a hosting service? I am subscribed to some other music + sound related lists that seem to be of an acceptable format [2]https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/create It takes an admin to create the list and manage members etc. Jurgen To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/create 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)
Jurgen, I don't really know who (if anyone) is working on a replacement for the lute list(s) and a classified site, or how far along they've gotten in the process. Also, Wayne's early comments in this thread about not replicating the old list and classified site are also very appropriate, since his sites were based on proprietary code. It might also be a very good time to verify what the community needs really are, as they may have changed since 1998. While I love the portability of this list (and email communications in general), the workload of managing the infrastructure, security (User Registration and Maintenance, Compliance, SPAM/Phishing/DDoS/Site Takeover protection, etc.), and site continuity can also be pretty burdensome, especially if it's an individual effort. I haven't been very active on the list since the 1990's, so I can't really speak to the current community requirements. Other members of the community would certainly be more qualified to answer that, than I would. Some questions that probably need to be addressed (and may have already been answered) are: 1) Is an email-only messaging system preferred (with a separate web site classified page)? (e.g. mailman (or similar), with an additional classified/marketplace website) 2) Is the community open to a web-based forum with email alerting and an integrated classified section? (e.g. phpbb or similar forum(s) with email notification and a classified section) 3) How many members are currently on the list, and what is their geographic distribution/nationality (e.g. cost, performance, and compliance rightsizing) 4) How many members could (or would) serve as moderators? 5) How many lists/forums would be needed? 6) Should the list/forum be maintained as a separate effort, or should it be rolled into the LSA, etc.? (e.g. sponsorship, personal vs. organizational liability, domain ownership/transferability, futureproofing, and user rules/guidelines) Thanks, Ron Banks On 9/5/20, 2:22 AM, "Jurgen Frenz" wrote: I'm a bit confused about the status of this discussion - are we still looking for a hosting service? I am subscribed to some other music + sound related lists that seem to be of an acceptable format https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/create It takes an admin to create the list and manage members etc. Jurgen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
