[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
Daumenschlag also known as Durchstreichen On 8/31/2020 9:32 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: I'll give it a try. Something like... "The individual signs and numbers (of a chord) should be plucked with one finger each as long as it doesn't exceed the number of fingers of the right hand. When it has more than four courses that exceed the number of fingers, play them all with a strum of the thumb (Daumenschlag)." Chris On Monday, August 31, 2020, 9:08 AM, Rainer wrote: From Judenkunig's Utilis et compendiaria introductio (1510-20 (?), no year) Preterea admonendus es ut literas et characteres numeri quotquot ordinatim signis notarum supponuntur, singulas eorum cordas singulis digitis (si modo digitorum dextre numerum non excedunt) discretim aut si plures sunt quam quatuor, digitorumque numerum superant, simul uno ictu pollicis oberrando percucias pulsesque. Die einzelnen Chorsaiten der Buchstaben und Ziffern sollen mit je einem Finger angeschlagen werden, falls sie nicht etwa die Zahl der Finger der rechten Hand überschreiten. Sind es aber mehr als vier Chorsaiten und überschreiten die Zahl der Finger, sollen sie (alle) zugleich mit einem Daumenschlag gestreift werden. German translation by Hans Radke Anybody crazy enough to provide an English translation? Anyway, this clearly indirectly states that the third finger of the right hand was used. See Hans Radke Acta Musicologica, Vol. 52, Fasc. 2 (Jul. - Dec., 1980), pp. 134-147 Am 30.08.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Martin Shepherd: > Le Roy (1568/74) explains it all... > > M > > On 30/08/2020 17:14, Leonard Williams wrote: >> Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger working well, >> especially switching between single-note runs and four-note chords. I >> can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords of more >> than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in play? >> Regards, >> Leonard Williams >> -Original Message- >> From: [1]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de >> To: lute net <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Lute arc >> <[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am >> Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger >> Dear all, >> first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude towards Wayne >> for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only a member a >> few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions here! I >> hope, >> that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement! >> The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of the >> ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century lute music. >> What >> do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it? It would be >> great to collect some sources, with your generous help! Also ideas for >> modern literature is appreciated! >> Have a nice sunday and enjoy lute playing >> Yuval >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > -- References 1. mailto:yuval.dvo...@posteo.de 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
I break chords a bit more, fast or slow as I seem fit, raking downwards with index and middle fingers independently where required. Given the nature of the music in today's concerts (Dowland lute songs and solo, and Byrd intabulations) I didn't strum upwards with the thumb a lot, as I believe in a strong and clear bass. (And I'm on all gut, which does affect one's technique a lot.) David On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 17:29, Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: David-- When omitting the ring finger, how does one effectively employ the other fingers to hit all required strings? E.g.--two with the thumb, two with index? Depending on the string spacing? I'm interested in this because, due to a minor deformity, I can't always use the ring finger effectively. Thanks and regards, Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> Cc: Lute List <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 9:43 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ringfinger I have a nasty callus on my ring finger at the moment, studied too much romantic guitar last week, so I did my concert (Dowland and Byrd on 10-course lute) without ring finger today. Lovely tone, much better! David On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 13:44, Rainer <[1][1][4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: From Judenkunig's Utilis et compendiaria introductio (1510-20 (?), no year) Preterea admonendus es ut literas et characteres numeri quotquot ordinatim signis notarum supponuntur, singulas eorum cordas singulis digitis (si modo digitorum dextre numerum non excedunt) discretim aut si plures sunt quam quatuor, digitorumque numerum superant, simul uno ictu pollicis oberrando percucias pulsesque. Die einzelnen Chorsaiten der Buchstaben und Ziffern sollen mit je einem Finger angeschlagen werden, falls sie nicht etwa die Zahl der Finger der rechten Hand à ¼berschreiten. Sind es aber mehr als vier Chorsaiten und à ¼berschreiten die Zahl der Finger, sollen sie (alle) zugleich mit einem Daumenschlag gestreift werden. German translation by Hans Radke Anybody crazy enough to provide an English translation? Anyway, this clearly indirectly states that the third finger of the right hand was used. See Hans Radke Acta Musicologica, Vol. 52, Fasc. 2 (Jul. - Dec., 1980), pp. 134-147 Am 30.08.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Martin Shepherd: > Le Roy (1568/74) explains it all... > > M > > On 30/08/2020 17:14, Leonard Williams wrote: >> Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger working well, >> especially switching between single-note runs and four-note chords. I >> can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords of more >> than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in play? >> Regards, >> Leonard Williams >> -Original Message- >> From: [2][2][5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de >> To: lute net <[3][3][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Lute arc >> <[4][4][7]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am >> Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger >> Dear all, >> first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude towards Wayne >> for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only a member a >> few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions here! I >> hope, >> that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement! >> The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of the >> ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century lute music. >> What >> do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it? It would be >>
[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
David-- When omitting the ring finger, how does one effectively employ the other fingers to hit all required strings? E.g.--two with the thumb, two with index? Depending on the string spacing? I'm interested in this because, due to a minor deformity, I can't always use the ring finger effectively. Thanks and regards, Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen Cc: Lute List Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 9:43 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ringfinger I have a nasty callus on my ring finger at the moment, studied too much romantic guitar last week, so I did my concert (Dowland and Byrd on 10-course lute) without ring finger today. Lovely tone, much better! David On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 13:44, Rainer <[1][1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: From Judenkunig's Utilis et compendiaria introductio (1510-20 (?), no year) Preterea admonendus es ut literas et characteres numeri quotquot ordinatim signis notarum supponuntur, singulas eorum cordas singulis digitis (si modo digitorum dextre numerum non excedunt) discretim aut si plures sunt quam quatuor, digitorumque numerum superant, simul uno ictu pollicis oberrando percucias pulsesque. Die einzelnen Chorsaiten der Buchstaben und Ziffern sollen mit je einem Finger angeschlagen werden, falls sie nicht etwa die Zahl der Finger der rechten Hand à ¼berschreiten. Sind es aber mehr als vier Chorsaiten und à ¼berschreiten die Zahl der Finger, sollen sie (alle) zugleich mit einem Daumenschlag gestreift werden. German translation by Hans Radke Anybody crazy enough to provide an English translation? Anyway, this clearly indirectly states that the third finger of the right hand was used. See Hans Radke Acta Musicologica, Vol. 52, Fasc. 2 (Jul. - Dec., 1980), pp. 134-147 Am 30.08.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Martin Shepherd: > Le Roy (1568/74) explains it all... > > M > > On 30/08/2020 17:14, Leonard Williams wrote: >> Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger working well, >> especially switching between single-note runs and four-note chords. I >> can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords of more >> than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in play? >> Regards, >> Leonard Williams >> -Original Message- >> From: [2][2]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de >> To: lute net <[3][3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Lute arc >> <[4][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am >> Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger >> Dear all, >> first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude towards Wayne >> for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only a member a >> few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions here! I >> hope, >> that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement! >> The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of the >> ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century lute music. >> What >> do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it? It would be >> great to collect some sources, with your generous help! Also ideas for >> modern literature is appreciated! >> Have a nice sunday and enjoy lute playing >> Yuval >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [1][5][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. [6][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > -- *** David van Ooijen [7][7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [8][8]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. mailto:[9]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. mailto:[10]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de 3. mailto:[11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:[12]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:[15]davidvanooi...@gmail.co
[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
I have a nasty callus on my ring finger at the moment, studied too much romantic guitar last week, so I did my concert (Dowland and Byrd on 10-course lute) without ring finger today. Lovely tone, much better! David On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 13:44, Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: From Judenkunig's Utilis et compendiaria introductio (1510-20 (?), no year) Preterea admonendus es ut literas et characteres numeri quotquot ordinatim signis notarum supponuntur, singulas eorum cordas singulis digitis (si modo digitorum dextre numerum non excedunt) discretim aut si plures sunt quam quatuor, digitorumque numerum superant, simul uno ictu pollicis oberrando percucias pulsesque. Die einzelnen Chorsaiten der Buchstaben und Ziffern sollen mit je einem Finger angeschlagen werden, falls sie nicht etwa die Zahl der Finger der rechten Hand überschreiten. Sind es aber mehr als vier Chorsaiten und überschreiten die Zahl der Finger, sollen sie (alle) zugleich mit einem Daumenschlag gestreift werden. German translation by Hans Radke Anybody crazy enough to provide an English translation? Anyway, this clearly indirectly states that the third finger of the right hand was used. See Hans Radke Acta Musicologica, Vol. 52, Fasc. 2 (Jul. - Dec., 1980), pp. 134-147 Am 30.08.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Martin Shepherd: > Le Roy (1568/74) explains it all... > > M > > On 30/08/2020 17:14, Leonard Williams wrote: >> Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger working well, >> especially switching between single-note runs and four-note chords. I >> can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords of more >> than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in play? >> Regards, >> Leonard Williams >> -Original Message- >> From: [2]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de >> To: lute net <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Lute arc >> <[4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am >> Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger >> Dear all, >> first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude towards Wayne >> for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only a member a >> few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions here! I >> hope, >> that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement! >> The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of the >> ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century lute music. >> What >> do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it? It would be >> great to collect some sources, with your generous help! Also ideas for >> modern literature is appreciated! >> Have a nice sunday and enjoy lute playing >> Yuval >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [1][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > -- *** David van Ooijen [7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [8]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. mailto:yuval.dvo...@posteo.de 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
Hui! Prima! I even had forgotten about what Le Roy had to say on right-hand fingers. Thanks Rainer and ev'ryone else! Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Ringfinger Datum: 2020-08-31T13:41:07+0200 Von: "Rainer" An: "Lute List" From Judenkunig's Utilis et compendiaria introductio (1510-20 (?), no year) Preterea admonendus es ut literas et characteres numeri quotquot ordinatim signis notarum supponuntur, singulas eorum cordas singulis digitis (si modo digitorum dextre numerum non excedunt) discretim aut si plures sunt quam quatuor, digitorumque numerum superant, simul uno ictu pollicis oberrando percucias pulsesque. Die einzelnen Chorsaiten der Buchstaben und Ziffern sollen mit je einem Finger angeschlagen werden, falls sie nicht etwa die Zahl der Finger der rechten Hand überschreiten. Sind es aber mehr als vier Chorsaiten und überschreiten die Zahl der Finger, sollen sie (alle) zugleich mit einem Daumenschlag gestreift werden. German translation by Hans Radke Anybody crazy enough to provide an English translation? Anyway, this clearly indirectly states that the third finger of the right hand was used. See Hans Radke Acta Musicologica, Vol. 52, Fasc. 2 (Jul. - Dec., 1980), pp. 134-147 Am 30.08.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Martin Shepherd: > Le Roy (1568/74) explains it all... > > M > > On 30/08/2020 17:14, Leonard Williams wrote: >> Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger working well, >> especially switching between single-note runs and four-note chords. I >> can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords of more >> than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in play? >> Regards, >> Leonard Williams >> -Original Message- >> From: yuval.dvo...@posteo.de >> To: lute net ; Lute arc >> >> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am >> Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger >> Dear all, >> first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude towards Wayne >> for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only a member a >> few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions here! I >> hope, >> that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement! >> The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of the >> ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century lute music. >> What >> do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it? It would be >> great to collect some sources, with your generous help! Also ideas for >> modern literature is appreciated! >> Have a nice sunday and enjoy lute playing >> Yuval >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >
[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
I'll give it a try. Something like... "The individual signs and numbers (of a chord) should be plucked with one finger each as long as it doesn't exceed the number of fingers of the right hand. When it has more than four courses that exceed the number of fingers, play them all with a strum of the thumb (Daumenschlag)." Chris On Monday, August 31, 2020, 9:08 AM, Rainer wrote: From Judenkunig's Utilis et compendiaria introductio (1510-20 (?), no year) Preterea admonendus es ut literas et characteres numeri quotquot ordinatim signis notarum supponuntur, singulas eorum cordas singulis digitis (si modo digitorum dextre numerum non excedunt) discretim aut si plures sunt quam quatuor, digitorumque numerum superant, simul uno ictu pollicis oberrando percucias pulsesque. Die einzelnen Chorsaiten der Buchstaben und Ziffern sollen mit je einem Finger angeschlagen werden, falls sie nicht etwa die Zahl der Finger der rechten Hand überschreiten. Sind es aber mehr als vier Chorsaiten und überschreiten die Zahl der Finger, sollen sie (alle) zugleich mit einem Daumenschlag gestreift werden. German translation by Hans Radke Anybody crazy enough to provide an English translation? Anyway, this clearly indirectly states that the third finger of the right hand was used. See Hans Radke Acta Musicologica, Vol. 52, Fasc. 2 (Jul. - Dec., 1980), pp. 134-147 Am 30.08.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Martin Shepherd: > Le Roy (1568/74) explains it all... > > M > > On 30/08/2020 17:14, Leonard Williams wrote: >> Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger working well, >> especially switching between single-note runs and four-note chords. I >> can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords of more >> than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in play? >> Regards, >> Leonard Williams >> -Original Message- >> From: [1]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de >> To: lute net <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Lute arc >> <[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am >> Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger >> Dear all, >> first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude towards Wayne >> for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only a member a >> few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions here! I >> hope, >> that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement! >> The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of the >> ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century lute music. >> What >> do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it? It would be >> great to collect some sources, with your generous help! Also ideas for >> modern literature is appreciated! >> Have a nice sunday and enjoy lute playing >> Yuval >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > -- References 1. mailto:yuval.dvo...@posteo.de 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
From Judenkunig's Utilis et compendiaria introductio (1510-20 (?), no year) Preterea admonendus es ut literas et characteres numeri quotquot ordinatim signis notarum supponuntur, singulas eorum cordas singulis digitis (si modo digitorum dextre numerum non excedunt) discretim aut si plures sunt quam quatuor, digitorumque numerum superant, simul uno ictu pollicis oberrando percucias pulsesque. Die einzelnen Chorsaiten der Buchstaben und Ziffern sollen mit je einem Finger angeschlagen werden, falls sie nicht etwa die Zahl der Finger der rechten Hand überschreiten. Sind es aber mehr als vier Chorsaiten und überschreiten die Zahl der Finger, sollen sie (alle) zugleich mit einem Daumenschlag gestreift werden. German translation by Hans Radke Anybody crazy enough to provide an English translation? Anyway, this clearly indirectly states that the third finger of the right hand was used. See Hans Radke Acta Musicologica, Vol. 52, Fasc. 2 (Jul. - Dec., 1980), pp. 134-147 Am 30.08.2020 um 21:10 schrieb Martin Shepherd: Le Roy (1568/74) explains it all... M On 30/08/2020 17:14, Leonard Williams wrote: Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger working well, especially switching between single-note runs and four-note chords. I can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords of more than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in play? Regards, Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: yuval.dvo...@posteo.de To: lute net ; Lute arc Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger Dear all, first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude towards Wayne for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only a member a few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions here! I hope, that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement! The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of the ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century lute music. What do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it? It would be great to collect some sources, with your generous help! Also ideas for modern literature is appreciated! Have a nice sunday and enjoy lute playing Yuval To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
Le Roy (1568/74) explains it all... M On 30/08/2020 17:14, Leonard Williams wrote: Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger working well, especially switching between single-note runs and four-note chords. I can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords of more than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in play? Regards, Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: yuval.dvo...@posteo.de To: lute net ; Lute arc Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger Dear all, first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude towards Wayne for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only a member a few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions here! I hope, that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement! The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of the ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century lute music. What do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it? It would be great to collect some sources, with your generous help! Also ideas for modern literature is appreciated! Have a nice sunday and enjoy lute playing Yuval To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
[LUTE] Re: Ringfinger
Good question--I have a hard time getting my ring finger working well, especially switching between single-note runs and four-note chords. I can't separate it far enough from my pinky. How were chords of more than three notes played without ring finger in thumb-in play? Regards, Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: yuval.dvo...@posteo.de To: lute net ; Lute arc Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 8:59 am Subject: [LUTE] Ringfinger Dear all, first of all I'd like to express my sincerest gratitude towards Wayne for creating this great forum! Unfortunately I became only a member a few years ago, but still I enjoyed much of the discussions here! I hope, that the list will continue also after Wayne's retirement! The actual reason for writing is this time about the use of the ringfinger of the right hand in 16th/early 17th century lute music. What do we know about it? When did lute players start to use it? It would be great to collect some sources, with your generous help! Also ideas for modern literature is appreciated! Have a nice sunday and enjoy lute playing Yuval To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
