[LUTE] Re: Straps
I only play Renaissance lute and I don't use one, though I know accomplished players who swear by them, as in "By my lutestrap!". On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Dan Winheld <[1]dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote: Personally could never understand or tolerate a strap on any normal, i.e., non-extended neck lute. Only necessary on tiny lutes (like wearing a necktie!) or the big bad boys. My archlute- a rather small one- does require the strap. But not my 68cm. 13 course bass rider d-minor lute. Dan On 8/16/2018 2:57 PM, David Van Edwards wrote: Well yes I fear so! Out of my searchable database of (now) 2060 images which I've been collecting for years there are just 49 with a lute strap in use! And most of those are archlutes or theorbos. I think this is indeed a serious question. An initial part of this database has been uploaded onto the Lute Society website at [2]https://www.lutesociety.org/pa ges/lute-iconography-database but it is still somewhat in a beta state and not all the fields have populated properly yet. But you may find it interesting for searches such as this. Best wishes, David At 22:09 +0100 16/8/18, Peter Martin wrote: The Lute Society's recent Lutezine 126 contains about 27 pictures of historic lute players, of whom about 0 are playing with a strap. Should I simply throw away my new 'Capirola' lute strap, which arrived in the post this week? It's very pretty, but if no-one ever used them Peter -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:dwinh...@lmi.net 2. https://www.lutesociety.org/pages/lute-iconography-database 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Straps
Personally could never understand or tolerate a strap on any normal, i.e., non-extended neck lute. Only necessary on tiny lutes (like wearing a necktie!) or the big bad boys. My archlute- a rather small one- does require the strap. But not my 68cm. 13 course bass rider d-minor lute. Dan On 8/16/2018 2:57 PM, David Van Edwards wrote: Well yes I fear so! Out of my searchable database of (now) 2060 images which I've been collecting for years there are just 49 with a lute strap in use! And most of those are archlutes or theorbos. I think this is indeed a serious question. An initial part of this database has been uploaded onto the Lute Society website at https://www.lutesociety.org/pages/lute-iconography-database but it is still somewhat in a beta state and not all the fields have populated properly yet. But you may find it interesting for searches such as this. Best wishes, David At 22:09 +0100 16/8/18, Peter Martin wrote: The Lute Society's recent Lutezine 126 contains about 27 pictures of historic lute players, of whom about 0 are playing with a strap. Should I simply throw away my new 'Capirola' lute strap, which arrived in the post this week? It's very pretty, but if no-one ever used them Peter -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Straps
Well yes I fear so! Out of my searchable database of (now) 2060 images which I've been collecting for years there are just 49 with a lute strap in use! And most of those are archlutes or theorbos. I think this is indeed a serious question. An initial part of this database has been uploaded onto the Lute Society website at https://www.lutesociety.org/pages/lute-iconography-database but it is still somewhat in a beta state and not all the fields have populated properly yet. But you may find it interesting for searches such as this. Best wishes, David At 22:09 +0100 16/8/18, Peter Martin wrote: The Lute Society's recent Lutezine 126 contains about 27 pictures of historic lute players, of whom about 0 are playing with a strap. Should I simply throw away my new 'Capirola' lute strap, which arrived in the post this week? It's very pretty, but if no-one ever used them Peter -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk
[LUTE] Re: Straps
Dear Tuomas, I just got three straps (french: bandoulières) for theorbo, archlute and guitar by José Antonio Ahumada, Paris, France, total 115 plus shipping. They are really wonderful and not at all slippery. I know that many french lutenists use his straps. Please ask him for details and pictures: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best wishes Henner Kahlert Tuomas Rauramaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Dear lutenists, I have a problem. I am looking for a strap which is suitable for my instruments (theorbo, baroque lute, 8-c, vihuela and baroque guitar). I have used several straps in the past but somehow they haven't been suitable for lutes; either too slippery, difficult to adjust when moving from one instrument to another etc... Nigel North's strap was excellent. Very convenient and stable. From where can I get something similar? Are these good ? - http://www.slider-straps.com/ Thanks in advance, Tuomas Rauramaa Kuopio Finland -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Dr. Henner Kahlert In der Tasch 2a D 76227 Karlsruhe (Durlach) Tel. 0721-403353 Tel. Büro 0721-23984 Fax Büro 0721-20978
[LUTE] Re: Straps
Dear Tuomas, You can find two messages about these straps from me here, http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg19828.html http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/message/5306 Anthony Le 23 fevr. 08 =E0 10:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a ecrit : Dear Tuomas, I just got three straps (french: bandouli=E8res) for theorbo, archlute and guitar by Jose Antonio Ahumada, Paris, France, total 115 Euro plus shipping. They are really wonderful and not at all slippery. I know that many french lutenists use his straps. Please ask him for details and pictures: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best wishes Henner Kahlert Tuomas Rauramaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Dear lutenists, I have a problem. I am looking for a strap which is suitable for my instruments (theorbo, baroque lute, 8-c, vihuela and baroque guitar). I have used several straps in the past but somehow they haven't been suitable for lutes; either too slippery, difficult to adjust when moving from one instrument to another etc... Nigel North's strap was excellent. Very convenient and stable. From where can I get something similar? Are these good ? - http://www.slider-straps.com/ Thanks in advance, Tuomas Rauramaa Kuopio Finland -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Dr. Henner Kahlert In der Tasch 2a D 76227 Karlsruhe (Durlach) Tel. 0721-403353 Tel. Buro 0721-23984 Fax Buro 0721-20978 --
[LUTE] Re: Straps/Karamazov
Am I mistaken, or does Edin Karamazov play theorbo sans strap? I see no visible means of support to the instrument, and he is often in motion. How can he do this?? Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ On 2/22/08 2:15 PM, Tuomas Rauramaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear lutenists, I have a problem. I am looking for a strap which is suitable for my instruments (theorbo, baroque lute, 8-c, vihuela and baroque guitar). I have used several straps in the past but somehow they haven't been suitable for lutes; either too slippery, difficult to adjust when moving from one instrument to another etc... Nigel North's strap was excellent. Very convenient and stable. From where can I get something similar? Are these good ? - http://www.slider-straps.com/ Thanks in advance, Tuomas Rauramaa Kuopio Finland -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Straps/Karamazov
I don't use a strap for theorbos or archlutes, the necks are made very light (a good idea anyway) so that the instruments balance. Historically, you do see straps, but the neck angle is usually different from modern practice. At an angle slightly less than 45 degrees, you may see improvement in the left hand, but it depends on the intrument, the player, etc. At an angle greater than 45, which is more modern practice, more of the weight sits on your leg, but it is not necessary with lighter construction. It is quite possible that the angle will affect the projection of the sound, depending on the orchestra or ensemble seating, a greater angle puts more of the instrument higher. However, a small platform will do this even better and make you feel quite regal :) Some modern players use a cantilever technique which is quite clever for the strap, although it may affect the left hand slightly. Very nice lute straps are made by Gottlieb for renaissance lutes, I don't use them but I have seen them and they are very nice. dt At 02:06 PM 2/22/2008, you wrote: Am I mistaken, or does Edin Karamazov play theorbo sans strap? I see no visible means of support to the instrument, and he is often in motion. How can he do this?? Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ On 2/22/08 2:15 PM, Tuomas Rauramaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear lutenists, I have a problem. I am looking for a strap which is suitable for my instruments (theorbo, baroque lute, 8-c, vihuela and baroque guitar). I have used several straps in the past but somehow they haven't been suitable for lutes; either too slippery, difficult to adjust when moving from one instrument to another etc... Nigel North's strap was excellent. Very convenient and stable. From where can I get something similar? Are these good ? - http://www.slider-straps.com/ Thanks in advance, Tuomas Rauramaa Kuopio Finland -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Straps/Karamazov
An archlute, rather than a theorbo. Not a very long one either. RT - Original Message - From: Leonard Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Straps/Karamazov Am I mistaken, or does Edin Karamazov play theorbo sans strap? I see no visible means of support to the instrument, and he is often in motion. How can he do this?? Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ On 2/22/08 2:15 PM, Tuomas Rauramaa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear lutenists, I have a problem. I am looking for a strap which is suitable for my instruments (theorbo, baroque lute, 8-c, vihuela and baroque guitar). I have used several straps in the past but somehow they haven't been suitable for lutes; either too slippery, difficult to adjust when moving from one instrument to another etc... Nigel North's strap was excellent. Very convenient and stable. From where can I get something similar? Are these good ? - http://www.slider-straps.com/ Thanks in advance, Tuomas Rauramaa Kuopio Finland -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
