[LUTE] Re: Transposing/transcribing in fronimo.
I agree with you, Ron, on the uncertainties that creep into the automatic transposition. I've used it on relatively easy dances but for more complex work, especially any number of vocal parts, I just did it by hand--and in 2.1. Now I just do it all in the older version. It only takes a little longer (if that) and I know that I've 'overseen' it at every step possible. I also learn more about the initial transcription into tablature as well as seeing a little into the mind of the transcriptionist. And yes, it's been a great program for me, too. Sean On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:00 AM Ron Andrico <[1][email protected]> wrote: I use Fronimo constantly and cannot praise Francesco's efforts enough in terms of its usefulness for lute music. But in transposing and transcribing, please take care that all work is checked thoroughly. I find that tablature characters are wrongly assigned at times, and carefully applied slurs simply disappear. In mensural music, transposing in Fronimo can be a real mess and I find that all rests and tied notes must be repositioned. Again, for lute music there is no better program. RA __ From: [2][email protected] <[3][email protected]> on behalf of Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. <[4][email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:31 PM To: [5][email protected] <[6][email protected]> Subject: [LUTE] Transposing/transcribing in fronimo. You may already know this, but transcription from one instrument (or tuning) to another can be done pretty easily through fronimo. Say you start with a version for Baroque lute in ton ravissant. If you go to F5/instrument, click on "transpose and transcribe" and then change the tuning to archlute (customized to fit whatever key you are using. This field doesn't use the "b" symbol, so you have to specify, e.g., Eb as D#, etc.) and hit OK, you will get a new version for the new instrument. Looking at the new version, you may need to tweak it a bit to make it playable, but that approach definitely works. I also use this strategy for converting from one sized lute to another. For example, suppose you have a ground written for bass lute in D. To rewrite it for, say, a 7 or 8-course or archlute in G, you start with the original version, go into F5/instrument and change the "first course" setting to D (the default setting is G), without hitting "transcribe or "transpose and transcribe", then hit "apply"; then change "first course" to G and choose "renaissance 7 course" or "renaissance 8-course" or "archlute", hit "transpose and transcribe", then OK, and you will get a new version for lute in G, which, again, you will usually have to tweak a bit. I use a similar approach to convert pieces where the 6th course is tuned down to F (or where other variant tunings have been used) to a version for 7- or 8-course lute or archlute in standard tuning. Under f5/instrument, I first put in the custom tunings using "modify custom tuning" as necessary to make the piece sound correct when played in fronimo. Then hit "apply". Then change to the tuning or instrument you want to change to, hit "transpose and transcribe", then "OK", and you will get the transposed version, which, again, will probably need to be tweaked to make it more playable. --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([7][email protected]) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [1][8]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." To get on or off this list see list information at [2][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [10]http://www.gerbode.net/ 2. [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. mailto:[email protected] 6. mailto:[email protected] 7. mailto:[email protected] 8. http://www.gerbode.net/ 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. http://www.gerbode.net/ 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Transposing/transcribing in fronimo.
I use Fronimo constantly and cannot praise Francesco's efforts enough in terms of its usefulness for lute music. But in transposing and transcribing, please take care that all work is checked thoroughly. I find that tablature characters are wrongly assigned at times, and carefully applied slurs simply disappear. In mensural music, transposing in Fronimo can be a real mess and I find that all rests and tied notes must be repositioned. Again, for lute music there is no better program. RA __ From: [email protected] on behalf of Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LUTE] Transposing/transcribing in fronimo. You may already know this, but transcription from one instrument (or tuning) to another can be done pretty easily through fronimo. Say you start with a version for Baroque lute in ton ravissant. If you go to F5/instrument, click on "transpose and transcribe" and then change the tuning to archlute (customized to fit whatever key you are using. This field doesn't use the "b" symbol, so you have to specify, e.g., Eb as D#, etc.) and hit OK, you will get a new version for the new instrument. Looking at the new version, you may need to tweak it a bit to make it playable, but that approach definitely works. I also use this strategy for converting from one sized lute to another. For example, suppose you have a ground written for bass lute in D. To rewrite it for, say, a 7 or 8-course or archlute in G, you start with the original version, go into F5/instrument and change the "first course" setting to D (the default setting is G), without hitting "transcribe or "transpose and transcribe", then hit "apply"; then change "first course" to G and choose "renaissance 7 course" or "renaissance 8-course" or "archlute", hit "transpose and transcribe", then OK, and you will get a new version for lute in G, which, again, you will usually have to tweak a bit. I use a similar approach to convert pieces where the 6th course is tuned down to F (or where other variant tunings have been used) to a version for 7- or 8-course lute or archlute in standard tuning. Under f5/instrument, I first put in the custom tunings using "modify custom tuning" as necessary to make the piece sound correct when played in fronimo. Then hit "apply". Then change to the tuning or instrument you want to change to, hit "transpose and transcribe", then "OK", and you will get the transposed version, which, again, will probably need to be tweaked to make it more playable. --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([email protected]) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [1]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.gerbode.net/ 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Transposing/transcribing in fronimo.
I have been using this tool for years !!! ;-) Jean-Marie > Le 26 févr. 2020 à 19:33, Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. a écrit : > > You may already know this, but transcription from one instrument (or tuning) > to another can be done pretty easily through fronimo. Say you start with a > version for Baroque lute in ton ravissant. If you go to F5/instrument, click > on "transpose and transcribe" and then change the tuning to archlute > (customized to fit whatever key you are using. This field doesn't use the "b" > symbol, so you have to specify, e.g., Eb as D#, etc.) and hit OK, you will > get a new version for the new instrument. Looking at the new version, you may > need to tweak it a bit to make it playable, but that approach definitely > works. I also use this strategy for converting from one sized lute to > another. For example, suppose you have a ground written for bass lute in D. > To rewrite it for, say, a 7 or 8-course or archlute in G, you start with the > original version, go into F5/instrument and change the "first course" setting > to D (the default setting is G), without hitting "transcribe or "transpose > and tr! anscribe", then hit "apply"; then change "first course" to G and choose "renaissance 7 course" or "renaissance 8-course" or "archlute", hit "transpose and transcribe", then OK, and you will get a new version for lute in G, which, again, you will usually have to tweak a bit. > > I use a similar approach to convert pieces where the 6th course is tuned > down to F (or where other variant tunings have been used) to a version for 7- > or 8-course lute or archlute in standard tuning. Under f5/instrument, I first > put in the custom tunings using "modify custom tuning" as necessary to make > the piece sound correct when played in fronimo. Then hit "apply". Then change > to the tuning or instrument you want to change to, hit "transpose and > transcribe", then "OK", and you will get the transposed version, which, > again, will probably need to be tweaked to make it more playable. > > --Sarge > > -- > Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([email protected]) > 11132 Dell Ave > Forestville, CA 95436-9491 > Home phone: 707-820-1759 > Website: http://www.gerbode.net > "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
