[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi Lute Concerto

Hi Michael, Yes please, if you can find it. Thank you! Best, Edward > On 15 Apr 2019, at 10:25 PM, Michael Vollbrecht wrote: > > Hello Edward, > I made a quick tab of that concerto for Ren. Lute; if you still > need it, I can send it to you -once I've found it... > > All the Best > >

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi Lute Concerto

Hello Edward, I made a quick tab of that concerto for Ren. Lute; if you still need it, I can send it to you -once I've found it... All the Best Michael Vollbrecht On Thu, 2019-04-11 at 16:39 +0800, Edward C. Yong wrote: > Dear Lute Collective, > > Would anyone have the Vivadi Lute Concerto in

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

I could not have said it better. On Oct 12, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Ralf Mattes wrote: Doesn't it seem a little ironic that those who champion a technique that's 400 years old are calling Segovia's technique "old fashioned". Gary No. Unless you

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

If thumb out bothers you, you’ve been asleep the last 30 years. > On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:26 AM, John Mardinly wrote: > > Thumb out, nails, nylon strings, metal wound basses, metal frets, bone > saddle in bridge (Rubio lute), big sound, very hip. To get on or off

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Thumb out, nails, nylon strings, metal wound basses, metal frets, bone saddle in bridge (Rubio lute), big sound, very hip. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer EMail: [1]john.mardi...@asu.edu Cell: [2]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

I would call that a “thumbs-up” performance. Wonderful. Larger orchestra than I would have liked but you can always count on Bream to put musicality first. All best, Robert Robert Gallagher Tour Béryl BAL 68-3 40, avenue d’Italie 75013 Paris FRANCE +33 (0) 983 79 70 48 > On 12 Oct

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Some very HIP thumb out Vivaldi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyY5pB2a0cU To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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t; have come to listen with an open mind and judge a performance based > upon its musicality. > RA > __ > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf > of Jarosław Lipski <jaroslawlip...@wp.pl> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:47 AM >

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

omeone’s performance, my only concern is that people use HIP term with some care. JL > > > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of > Jarosław Lipski <jaroslawlip...@wp.pl> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 7:28 PM > To: l

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > HIP is not > necessarily a hard and fast objective measure because whenever the term > is mentioned, you must ask the question, "...according to whom?" > > Speedy O'Dette's use of a mandolino is a serious

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

listen with an > open mind and judge a performance based upon its musicality. > > RA > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of > Jarosław Lipski <jaroslawlip...@wp.pl> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:47 AM > To: lute@cs.dart

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

I agree with John, I'd probably take that a little further as I am a big fan of Segovia, but lets leave it at that. Segovia was entirely capable of playing rhythmically precise when he was in an ensemble. I wish some of that carried over to his solo playing, but it was a different

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Not true! "Segovian usually means unmusical, sloppy, irritating etc." for his solo playing, but when he played with an ensemble, he was forced to be disciplined and musical, like it or not. Just listen to his recordings of Rodrigo's Fantasia para un Gentlehombre, Ponce's Concerto

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

So do I ! Well done Diego ! Jean-Marie Envoyé depuis mon appareil Samsung Message d'origine De : Jarosław Lipski <jaroslawlip...@wp.pl> Date : 11/10/2016 2:31 PM (GMT+01:00) À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Very nicely played Diego, with taste. I like your version. My congratulations ;) JL > On 11 Oct 2016, at 09:10, Diego Cantalupi wrote: > > Here's my version: > > https://youtu.be/dkPp4pDWGQI > > I used an 'ordinary' archlute. In my opinion there are no problems about >

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

I love this thread. Started as an open ended question about wadyathinkaboutthis and has become a Rorschach test for HIP interpretation. First off, the I in HIP is informed, not identical. As our musicological and historical lutherie evidence grows, we can try to recreate and imitate aspects

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

…so now you’re talking ;) It’s all about mixing aesthetics - old and modern. Why then do you insist on calling it HIP? I played this concerto on several occasions on various historical double strung instruments and we never felt any problems with a proper balance between an ensemble and a

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Let's say that his playing is quite irritating for me. Inviato da iPhone > Il giorno 11 ott 2016, alle ore 11:46, Roman Turovsky > ha scritto: > > > There is really nothing Segovian about it. > > A Segovian usually means unmusical, sloppy, irritating etc. > > RT > >

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

there are plenty of reasons to use a single-strung archlute, the most obvious of these are the volume, precision and speed that are required by the standards of 21st century HIP orchestral playing. RT On 10/11/2016 4:48 AM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: Sure, I am not criticising anyone. On the

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

There is really nothing Segovian about it. A Segovian usually means unmusical, sloppy, irritating etc. RT On 10/11/2016 5:09 AM, Diego Cantalupi wrote: The question is different: why one should play a baroque lute concerto on a lute-shaped guitar using an old fashon Segovian style? Il

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

The question is different: why one should play a baroque lute concerto on a lute-shaped guitar using an old fashon Segovian style? Il 11/10/2016 10:47, Jarosław Lipski ha scritto: On 11 Oct 2016, at 01:37, Roman Turovsky wrote: Not really. There are a lot of factors

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

> On 11 Oct 2016, at 01:37, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > Not really. There are a lot of factors in LF manufacture that are absent is > this. > > Many people play single-strung archlutes with nails, some without. Stephen > Stubbs with, Konrad Junghaenel and Konstantin

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Here's my version: https://youtu.be/dkPp4pDWGQI I used an 'ordinary' archlute. In my opinion there are no problems about single or double strings, but mainly about good taste and esthetic. To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Not really. There are a lot of factors in LF manufacture that are absent is this. Many people play single-strung archlutes with nails, some without. Stephen Stubbs with, Konrad Junghaenel and Konstantin Bozhinov without. RT On 10/10/2016 5:33 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: Name it as you like,

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Greetings all. I’m not even the last guy you would ask for an opinion on historical authenticity, but I have several times played this concerto on classical guitar, accompanied by both piano and string ensemble. My read is that this is a musically very satisfying performance. I really

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Name it as you like, for me it’s a Liuto forte. There is another version of RV93 played by Luca here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog The whole instrument is single strung again, and the evidence for this type of archlute stringing is

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

On 10/10/2016 22:28, Roman Turovsky wrote: on a good authority of RT. Luca has at least 2 of these, one with a much longer extension. RT On 10/10/2016 4:16 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: Really? Is there any evidence to support this theory? JL On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:15, Roman Turovsky

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

on a good authority of RT. Luca has at least 2 of these, one with a much longer extension. RT On 10/10/2016 4:16 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: Really? Is there any evidence to support this theory? JL On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:15, Roman Turovsky wrote: It is certainly NOT a

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

I must say, the sound was more guitar than lute like G. On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:29 PM, fournierbru <[1]fournier...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello all I would like your opinions on this interpretation of the Vivaldu lute concerto I found on YouTube.

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Really? Is there any evidence to support this theory? JL > On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:15, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > It is certainly NOT a liuto-forte, but a single-strung archlute by Luc Breton. > RT > > On 10/10/2016 2:06 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: >> The instrument in

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

It is certainly NOT a liuto-forte, but a single-strung archlute by Luc Breton. RT On 10/10/2016 2:06 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: The instrument in question is not an archlute or liuto attiorbato, but a liuto forte. Some lute players like Luca Pianca, Luciano Contini, Eric Bellocq and many

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Great I thought. Very lute-like, and I’ve heard all the others. Dick Brook > On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Matthew Daillie wrote: > > On 10/10/2016 15:29, fournierbru wrote: >> Hello all >> >>I would like your opinions on this interpretation of the Vivaldu lute >>

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Matthew Daillie wrote: > > On 10/10/2016 15:29, fournierbru wrote: >> Hello all >> >>I would like your opinions on this interpretation of the Vivaldu lute >>concerto I found on YouTube. >> >>https://youtu.be/u9m3ghjN0RE >>

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

But, … doubled gut frets! I was struck by how classical guitar-like the fretboard was. Then I kept thinking the extension would probably have to be longer on a HIP instrument. Now I know. Thanks. Hull and spars notwithstanding, am I right in imagining the rigging isn’t very different from a

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

The instrument in question is not an archlute or liuto attiorbato, but a liuto forte. Some lute players like Luca Pianca, Luciano Contini, Eric Bellocq and many others use it, however I would be far from saying that this is a historical instrument - see here

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Some years ago I was so lucky as to listen to Luca Pianca on this instrument accompanying Chr. Prégardien with Schumann songs. I can assure you, that was HIP! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

_ > >From: [[6]5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [7]<[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf >of Matthew Daillie [8]<[7]dail...@club-internet.fr> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 1:54 PM >

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

Excellent "Thumb Out" playing. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer EMail: [1]john.mardi...@asu.edu Cell: [2]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs) But don't call the lab….I won't be there! On Oct 10, 2016, at 6:29 AM,

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

I like it! :) On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:23 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > On Oct 10, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Diego Cantalupi <[2]tio...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The main problem to me, is that the concerto is played in C, and not. in D. >

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > As far as I can tell, single stringing was sometimes used by the old > ones I’ve always assumed that someone in the 1600’s and 1700’s must have single-strung their lutes for the same reasons some modern players do,

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Diego Cantalupi wrote: > > The main problem to me, is that the concerto is played in C, and not. in D. > It's easier on a G archlute, but sounds to me very strange for the violins. Luca plays an archlute/liuto attiorbato in A. I believe

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

..@club-internet.fr> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:11 PM To: Ron Andrico Cc: fournierbru; [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto I'm not in the least bit surprised that our opinions and tastes differ Ron. Mat

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

On 10/10/2016 17:14, Ron Andrico wrote: The only bit of opinion in my previous message was that I thought Luca Pianca's performance was musical. The rest is supported by factual information. I'll let you have the last word To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:11 PM > To: Ron Andrico > Cc: fournierbru; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto > > I'm not in the least bit surprised that our opinions and tastes differ > Ron. > Matthew >> On Oct 10, 2

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

___ > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf > of Matthew Daillie <dail...@club-internet.fr> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 1:54 PM > To: fournierbru; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

On 10/10/2016 15:29, fournierbru wrote: Hello all I would like your opinions on this interpretation of the Vivaldu lute concerto I found on YouTube. https://youtu.be/u9m3ghjN0RE BRUNO Not my cup of tea. He's using what looks like a single strung 13-course liuto forte, very