Re: Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ? (fwd)
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Petr Baudis wrote: Dear diary, on Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 01:12:32AM CEST, I got a letter, where [EMAIL PROTECTED] told me, that... it seems v unlikely that anyone now will take the trouble to write the code to allow Lynx to handle JS etc, but one never knows ... FYI, that does not need to be all that painful as it looks. If you set out to handle just window.location, window.open(), forms item access and such tiny stuff, it will suffice for vast majority of JS sites and that shouldn't be too hard unless lynx's internals aren't really nasty ;-). The rest of the task is integrating some JS runtime engine - I'd recommend Mozilla's SpiderMonkey, which is quite easy to get along with Mozilla's webpage points to http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/js/ which doesn't appear to contain anything relevant. (Not surprising - Mozilla's webpages are not well maintained - but google doesn't seem to show an alternate source of the code). in C programs and seems to be moderately usable compared to i.e. njs. You can also peek into latest ELinks code if you would like some kick-start, we already tried to do something. Kind regards, -- Petr Pasky Baudis Stuff: http://pasky.or.cz/ For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ? (fwd)
After using lynx 2.8.4 for several years, I finally upgraded to lynx 2.8.5. It seems to work, but when I access https sites, I get the message: ssl error unable to get local issuer certificate. continue? (y): hitting 'y' gets past the ssl error and I connect. This problem never happened with lynx 2.8.4. Why does it happen with lynx 2.8.5 and what can I do about it? In both cases I installed the same openssl package, 0.9.7b. In both cases I installed openssl first and then lynx, both from source packages. Thanks for any help or suggestions. Rudy Vener ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ? (fwd)
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, A. R. Vener wrote: After using lynx 2.8.4 for several years, I finally upgraded to lynx 2.8.5. It seems to work, but when I access https sites, I get the message: ssl error unable to get local issuer certificate. continue? (y): Here's some relevant discussion of the error message: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2003-03/0094.html There was some discussion of certificates on the mailing list last fall, which is reflected in the 2.8.5 documentation, which may be helpful. hitting 'y' gets past the ssl error and I connect. This problem never happened with lynx 2.8.4. Why does it happen with lynx 2.8.5 and what can I do about it? In both cases I installed the same openssl package, 0.9.7b. In both cases I installed openssl first and then lynx, both from source packages. Thanks for any help or suggestions. Rudy Vener ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ? (fwd)
040912 Edwin Davidson wrote: Can a text-based web browser like Lynx really be used in 2004 with web sites powered by Javascript, XML, ASP and the like ? this seems to be arriving at lynx-dev every few weeks, so perhaps a response is in order. i'ld say Lynx is a niche player these days, but an important one. everyone has different needs preferences, but mine lead me to use Konqueror (on Xfce4 on Gentoo Linux) as normal browser w Galeon in reserve Firefox available, but almost never used. w broadband KDE 3.2/3 support, Konqueror is as fast as anything, so Lynx's former appeal of speed in rendering has been bypassed. however, i do use Lynx for 3 things regularly: (1) sending news stories to others, wh is easier w Lynx + Mutt + Gvim ; (2) reading local HTML files, typically help dox of some kind ; (3) reading 1 major newspaper, wh ordinarily requires free registration, wh fails w Konqueror Galeon for some reason (mb their bad cookies), but whose text is all accessible w Lynx w/o any need to login (i'm not saying wh paper it is, lest they change things (grin)!). it seems v unlikely that anyone now will take the trouble to write the code to allow Lynx to handle JS etc, but one never knows ... -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ? (fwd)
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 040912 Edwin Davidson wrote: Can a text-based web browser like Lynx really be used in 2004 with web sites powered by Javascript, XML, ASP and the like ? this seems to be arriving at lynx-dev every few weeks, so perhaps a response is in order. I didn't notice today until after forwarding it, that it's dated 1 August. (Perhaps it's stuck in a mail loop). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ?
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Edwin Davidson wrote: Can a text-based web browser like Lynx really be used in 2004 with web sites powered by Javascript, XML, ASP and the like ? A local freenet that I have an account with (and have had for 9 years) uses Lynx as it's web browser and I do like it but Lynx doesn't run all web sites that I try to hit with it. I use lynx as my preferred browser, and only use a graphical browser when I need pictorial information or when javascript needs to be used. There are a few sites that are very unfriendly to lynx, but the vast majority of sites that I go to work fine with it. Occasionally you need to look at the source to see where links really are. Which sites in particular seem to give you trouble with lynx? Doug -- Doug Kaufman Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ?
At 11:02p -0700 08/01/2004, Doug Kaufman didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: I use lynx as my preferred browser, and only use a graphical browser when I need pictorial information or when javascript needs to be used. There are a few sites that are very unfriendly to lynx, but the vast majority of sites that I go to work fine with it. Occasionally you need to look at the source to see where links really are. Ditto to what Doug said; exactly the same here. I even set up Lynx as my default browser on Mac OS X, and have used it on several occasions for ecommerce sites (such as Kagi.com for registering software). At 07:12a +0100 08/02/2004, David Woolley didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Can a text-based web browser like Lynx really be used in 2004 with web sites powered by Javascript, XML, ASP and the like ? A local freenet that I never understood powered by; what's wrong with using. ASP is a server side technology and therefore irrelevant to the question. Well except that about 30% of ASP sites fail with some kind of VB datatype error (which is strange since HTTP is sending text...). CFM sites always work though, so clearly Microsoft creates braindead server software. As Internet Explorer doesn't support XML well and certainly doesn't support XHTML (you have to serve it as HTML and rely on its HTML error recovery to tolerate the syntax changes necessary for it to be XML) I would say XML is unlikely to be an issue for several years, and is mainly a look good on CVs issue. :D I use XML server side. (XML database + HTML template) + Perl = HTML page. XML is great as a hierarchical data source; I don't use it for much else. Lynx be updated or something to make it run current websites ? I remember a few years ago some websites had a 'text only' link so you could see their site in a text-only mode. I wish more did this. I would say that the prevalence of text only (or low graphics) links is increasing. Maybe it is just that the number of new company web sites is increasing; it is generally only the long established sites that are aware of their legal obligations, and apart from a few, mainly academics, and long established amateurs, it is legal obligations that result in text only sites. And I've noticed an increase in the number of clueful Web geeks on the newsgroup c.i.w.a.h (I think that's the one); very refreshing and heartening to see. Section 508 is fun to throw at people too, along with the usual references to sight-impaired people and search engine 'bots. Google has a tips page which is also good to reference when trying to show people the error of their ways. Generally what the web authors may claim to be progress is really regression to the state of the world before HTML. I once came up with a good definition of progress on some eBay user forum; something about slower + less compatible + some-third-thing-I-forget. It was funny; if only I'd saved a copy to disk. Well you know what I mean. :-) Oh i think the 3rd thing was something like less intuitive. :-D In my view, support for de facto browser object models would be a major rewrite and one would be better off using Gecko as a starting point. I'm still waiting for Mac browsers to give me a DOM that's accessible via AppleScript without any trace of JavaScript. I may be waiting a long time... -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ?
Dixitur illum [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribere... Can a text-based web browser like Lynx really be used in 2004 with web sites powered by Javascript, XML, ASP and the like ? Yes. I'm using lynx even with pictured pages, and links+ for all cases where it's really needed. There are only two pages which don't work with these browsers, that's orkut and the online banking system of one of my two banks. Most modern people use the web for viewing pages of multi-media content; however, a few still know that HTML is no design language, and don't need to parse flash and whatnot. We use the web primarily for looking at news (such as slashdot.org or symlink.lu) or for content (text, that is). Lynx is perfectly good, and reading the XHTML 2 draft I think there are in fact two webs, barely compa- tible to each other. Luckily, most pages interesting to us are still in the original www. //Thorsten -- Currently blocking eMail from the following domains: bigpond.com, biz, gmx.de, gmx.net, hotmail.com, info, jumpy.it, libero.it, name, netscape.net, postino.it, simplesnet.pt, spymac.com, tatanova.com, tiscali.co.uk, tiscali.cz, tiscali.de, tiscali.it, voila.fr, yahoo.co.uk, yahoo.com. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ?
In a recent note, Walter Ian Kaye said: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:55:44 -0700 Ditto to what Doug said; exactly the same here. I even set up Lynx as my default browser on Mac OS X, and have used it on several occasions How do you do this? Is there an AppleScript involved? Will you share? I visited your AppleScript page and didn't see a good match: Linkname: WIK - AppleScript URL: http://www.natural-innovations.com/as/ Thanks, gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ?
At 07:21a -0600 08/02/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: In a recent note, Walter Ian Kaye said: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:55:44 -0700 Ditto to what Doug said; exactly the same here. I even set up Lynx as my default browser on Mac OS X, and have used it on several occasions How do you do this? Is there an AppleScript involved? Yep. :) It acts as a kind of proxy/adapter thingie, passing URLs on to Lynx via Terminal.app. I call it ShimLynx. :-) Will you share? I visited your AppleScript page and didn't see a good match: Oops, I never got around to writing a ReadMe for it, so I didn't upload it. ::writing ReadMe now:: Also, it's hardcoded to `cd` to ~/Downloads but that's just on my computer; I need to give some user preferences other than modifying the script itself. I should probably set that up before releasing it... -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
